TEA ratings: 2 schools miss mark, may...

TEA ratings: 2 schools miss mark, may still make 'acceptable'

There are 129 comments on the El Paso Times story from Jul 29, 2010, titled TEA ratings: 2 schools miss mark, may still make 'acceptable'. In it, El Paso Times reports that:

Vista Del Sol Elementary School representatives cheer Thursday as their school is honored as exemplary during the district's 2010-11 Back to School Rally at Abundant Living Faith Center.

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EPFAN

Saint Leonard, MD

#1 Jul 30, 2010
Good article. Tells us each side of the issues and the facts. Keep it up, El Paso Times.
CISD parent

El Paso, TX

#2 Jul 30, 2010
Of course Damon Murphy would agree, his contract holds a clause for improvement on TAKS scores with additional bonuses.

Cheating the system, following EPISD footsteps!
Standards

Grandview, TX

#3 Jul 30, 2010
Standards, Schmandards! The bureaucratic way of meeting goals is to lower the standards to meet the needs of the losers. Don't level the playing field, just install mobile goal posts to shorten the field to make it easier for the losers to score.

Former El Paso lawyer, and later U.S. Senator from Houston, Ralph Yarborough used to say, "We want to put the jam on the lower shelf where the little people can reach it." That was a rather hick way of saying "Don't demand excellence, just accept whatever performance you get and put a shine on it by manipulating standards."
A VOICE TO BE

Germany

#4 Jul 30, 2010
EPISD must be really proud. This is like saying (just about almost)No child left behind. In order for a society to survive, some must be left behind. Not all will be doctors and lawyers. Some will be dishwashers ande ditch diggers. What if they are wrong about the projection? Will Garcia give back part of his salary for the failer? When some of the kids drop out of school? failed is failed, too much P/C B/S. This makes me feel so proud to be from El Paso.
Steve El Paso-Rockport

Ingleside, TX

#5 Jul 30, 2010
This is serious in that elementary schools are the easiest ones to achieve high ratings. By the way TEA rates them -high schools have the most difficulty.
taxpayerfool

Windham, NH

#6 Jul 30, 2010
The fix is apparent. Hire more teachers and triple their pay and benefits, right? That's always the answer if you listen to the school board and unions.
Punish the inept teachers with more money. Yeah, that will work. Just wait, more fund demands will come.
jo jo brown

El Paso, TX

#7 Jul 30, 2010
taxpayerfool wrote:
The fix is apparent. Hire more teachers and triple their pay and benefits, right? That's always the answer if you listen to the school board and unions.
Punish the inept teachers with more money. Yeah, that will work. Just wait, more fund demands will come.
Lets all stand up and cheer and give the three superintendents,(Garcia, Del La Crap, the okie from YISD) all raises. School boards, you are so blind to the needs of the students. Without students no one in the school district would have jobs......way to go school boards...If these students are doing great, then answer this question, why are they taking remedial courses at EPCC ??????????
taxpayer2

El Paso, TX

#8 Jul 30, 2010
taxpayerfool wrote:
The fix is apparent. Hire more teachers and triple their pay and benefits, right? That's always the answer if you listen to the school board and unions.
Punish the inept teachers with more money. Yeah, that will work. Just wait, more fund demands will come.
Who are you trying to fool?
EPISD's answer is to hire at least 12 out of town consultants at over inflated rates because in town experts are way to inexpensive.
True, true TRE did not pass and the community must suffer. Taxpayers need to learn a lesson from this failure, the next time Admistrators ask for a raise taxpayers better just hand them a blank check book.
A VOICE TO BE

Germany

#9 Jul 30, 2010
taxpayer2 wrote:
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Who are you trying to fool?
EPISD's answer is to hire at least 12 out of town consultants at over inflated rates because in town experts are way to inexpensive.
True, true TRE did not pass and the community must suffer. Taxpayers need to learn a lesson from this failure, the next time Admistrators ask for a raise taxpayers better just hand them a blank check book.
Garcia already has a blank check, it's above his head. EPISD is in the red, because of the blank check policy.
Atticus Finch

Seminole, FL

#10 Jul 30, 2010
Standards claims, "Former El Paso lawyer, and later U.S. Senator from Houston, Ralph Yarborough used to say,'We want to put the jam on the lower shelf where the little people can reach it.' That was a rather hick way of saying 'Don't demand excellence, just accept whatever performance you get and put a shine on it by manipulating standards.'" Actually, that's not only false, it makes no sense. Yarborough was known as "the people's candidate" because he believed in sharing opportunity with every race, gender, and social class- the "jam" being economic and political opportunity.

Steve El Paso says, "elementary schools are the easiest ones to achieve high ratings." That's essentially true, because by the time kids reach high school, a good portion of them are pregnant, on drugs, in gangs, hanging with the wrong crowd, have jobs, and have been abandoned by absentee parents. It doesn't necessarily mean that the high school teachers are failing; rather, it means that the parents are failing their children by not instilling a sense of educational value, and not becoming involved in their child's education themselves.

A Voice To Be claims, "failed is failed, too much P/C B/S [...] Garcia already has a blank check." Yes, "failed is failed," and I drop that line directly at the parents' door. There are students who do well because of their parents' commitment to their education, there are students who do well DESPITE their parents, and there are students who have learned from their parents that education isn't important, speaking English isn't important, and passing a minimum-requirement test isn't important either. As for the "blank check," Garcia isn't taking a raise this year (thank God), the teachers aren't taking a raise, staff has been laid off, teachers who have left aren't being replaced, programs are going to be cut, schools are closing down, and while it's true that the "blank check policy" is by and large to blame for Garcia's outrageous salary and hiring practices, that's not the case anymore.

Taxpayer fool writes, "The fix is apparent. Hire more teachers and triple their pay and benefits, right?" Actually, wrong. For the EPISD at least, there is a hiring freeze, and if your kids don't get enough of an education because there are 35 students per classroom, you can blame the city public for voting down the bond. It is, however, true that if you increase teacher pay and accountability, you will find more qualified individuals becoming teachers, people who are experts in their particular field. Beyond that, people like you seem to think that teachers are overpaid to begin with, when they are entrusted with your child's safety, moral compass, and education. I don't hear anyone complaining when a basketball player scores a $100 million dollar deal or when an actor makes $150 million a film.

Jo Jo Brown says, "If these students are doing great, then answer this question, why are they taking remedial courses at EPCC ??????????" That's a broad generalization. And while it's true that approximately half of the student population winds up in remedial coursework after high school, one major reason is because the state-mandated test itself is incompatible with what is needed for college. Remember, the TAKS test (soon to be End of Course Exam) measures the most basic knowledge a student needs to enter college and honestly, most college standards are higher than that measured.

1st Amendment

Seminole, FL

#11 Jul 30, 2010
It is interesting that the picture accompanying the article shows a back to school rally at....what's that? A church! I hope the school didn't pay to use the facility, but even if it didn't cost the taxpayers money, people should be concerned about the erosion of church and state.
Rob

Kirksville, MO

#12 Jul 30, 2010
Would someone at the El Paso Times please write about the fact that almost all TAKS tests this year required fewer questions to be answered correctly to pass. Every year the tests become progressivly more difficult to pass by requiring more questions to be answered correctly. Until this year. This year, for the first time, they actually decreased the number of correct responses. Why? The state claims that the difficulty of the tests increased this year and compensated by requiring fewer questions to be answered. The result, passing rates this year soared across the state. How are tax payers supposed to make heads or tails of this situation.
Time

Alamogordo, NM

#13 Jul 30, 2010
1st Amendment wrote:
It is interesting that the picture accompanying the article shows a back to school rally at....what's that? A church! I hope the school didn't pay to use the facility, but even if it didn't cost the taxpayers money, people should be concerned about the erosion of church and state.
I was looking at that myself. Are the educators trying to say that this where we should all go to church. Interesting. Im sure the use of this place was not free.
Taxpayer

El Paso, TX

#14 Jul 30, 2010
Time wrote:
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I was looking at that myself. Are the educators trying to say that this where we should all go to church. Interesting. Im sure the use of this place was not free.
Who's paying who? Perhaps paying...opps praying for the passing score will help.
Petro

El Paso, TX

#15 Jul 30, 2010
Lucy Clarke, president of the El Paso Federation of Teachers and Support Personnel, said the state should do away with the measure.

"It gives people a false sense of achievement and doesn't give true credit to the work the teachers have done because they are artificially inflating the numbers at any given school," Clarke said.

So having said that, is Lucy Clarke dissing her own constituents? If it wasn't for the inflated numbers, it would show that teachers are not doing their jobs!
Bird

Billings, MT

#17 Jul 30, 2010
Settling for "acceptable" from our school systems is like bragging about being "mediocre". The school systems across America are severely broken. We accept substandard teachers from liberal influenced colleges and foist them on our students and give them as a reward for their substandard performance job security and tenure through corrupt unions. Parents dump their responsibility on these same teachers and then wonder why they are so messed up and unprepared for the real world.
Disgusted

El Paso, TX

#18 Jul 30, 2010
This is just playing with numbers, manipulating the system. The real problem is the amount of time given to testing and not being able to teach. Don't blame the teachers, their hands are tied by a bunch of fools in administration. We are cutting employees who need jobs and hiring Elfida Gutierrez back? There was a sigh of relief when she left the first time. What is her salary? What a waste of money. The stuper and his cabinet have got to go before they do more damage.
NOLE

El Paso, TX

#20 Jul 30, 2010
IF A DISTRICT DOESN'T MAKE THE MARK, HOW ARE THEY DEEMED ACCEPTABLE? CROOKED ASS SUPERINTENDANTS' WILL DO ANYTHING FOR A BONUS OR RAISE, EVEN AT THE EXPENSE OF STUDENTS AND THEIR COMMUNITIES. OUR WORLD AND COUNTRY ARE GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL!!
Chem Lover

El Paso, TX

#21 Jul 30, 2010
I am currently a teacher at EPISD. I too feel nothing from being recognized. There are a lot of factors leading to a deteriorating (or deteriorated)school system.

I did not study teaching as my major in college. I graduated with a Chemistry degree. I also did a lot of undergraduate research. I feel teachers waste their time in some horrible classes that waste your time. I had to take about three to four times as much science courses as a teacher with their degree in teaching with specialization in science. I am now taking these fluff courses required by the state and many of them are something that can be taught in maybe a week not a semester. So know I feel when students ask questions I know the answers and if I don't I know where to look and get back to them. I think some teachers really don't care about teaching the students well. Others think great activities that will really enhance a student's understanding are too much work. I love chemistry and science in general. My passion reaches the kids; when I have regular chemistry classs students asking about anti matter and my research on hydrolases in class, it shows you that your passion and hard work make a difference.

But parents have got to be involved in their child's education especially if you know your child isn't the best at a subject or school. I had parents that would not answer the phone or return phone calls, notes sent home anything. So I had to personally get the student from his last period class to walk him to tutoring so he wouldn't fail my class. He didn't and actually started coming to class and even ended up on the AB honor roll.

I personally think they are a lot of factors including where the child lives and how much importance a family or community puts on education.

I also try to keep up on science advances by reading about 1-3 scienctific journals a week. This can be hard during the school year but it makes you a better teacher and scientist. I don't like to think of myself as a teacher even but a scientist and they are all my assistant reseachers.
AliceInWonderlan d

El Paso, TX

#22 Jul 30, 2010
"Did not PASS but are projected to succeed." In other words, we will pass you even though you didn't pass. This just proves that our educational system has "failed" the U.S. Standard. We give them an "F".

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