Obama to public: Don't give up on health sign-ups

Oct 5, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Anchorage Daily News

In this photo taken Friday, Oct. 4, 2013, President Barack Obama poses for a photo prior to an exclusive interview with The Associated Press in the White House library in Washington four days into a partial shutdown of the government.

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Hole on theyah latrine. They trainwreck known az maobamacayah gone to sink tha treasonous democratic soshalist partah in 6 months. Fo 1 thang tha democratic soshalist partah can pandah and buy yo votes but they sho cain't govern. No way ho how. They a bunch a treasonsous unAmerican crazy loons wid a bunch a wild eyed schemes which have disaterous unintended consequences because they crazy schemes ta begin with. F em.
I totally agree with you.
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<quoted text>First you said Obama would never get elected…
Then you said Health Care Reform would never pass the House…
Then it would never get pass the Senate…
Then you said Obama would never sign it into law…
Then you said the Supreme Court would strike it down…
Then you said the American people would not re-elect him because of OBAMACARE…
Then you said it would get repealed…
Then you said it would get defunded…
Then you said it would never be implemented…
Then you said the shutdown of the government would get Obama to delay the individual mandate…

So forgive me if I don’t trust your prognostication on things related to… well anything.
STFU loser, LOL!
Brain dead people voted for Obummer. I did not vote for that loser.
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<quoted text>And isn’t it amazing that we still got HCR without a single republican vote… kind of the same way we got our historic Osama-killing President without a single republican vote, LOL!
You're no Marine or it would bother you to no end our govt stopped giving out death benefits to families of soldiers killed. Also the bodies are not being shipped. If you were a marine you are a disgrace to that branch.
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Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>Balderdash, Robert. Medicare began full of glitches and horror stories. Today it is a successful program that keeps seniors alive.

Today there are glitches in accessing the Affordable Care Act. But it certainly isn't for lack of interest. The technical problems are temporary.
The GOP's greatest fear will come to pass. Obamacare will be a success.
Obama will be assassinated. I will be doing victory donuts that day. There will be no weeping in this nation.
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Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>Balderdash, Robert. Medicare began full of glitches and horror stories. Today it is a successful program that keeps seniors alive.
Today there are glitches in accessing the Affordable Care Act. But it certainly isn't for lack of interest. The technical problems are temporary.
The GOP's greatest fear will come to pass. Obamacare will be a success.
What planet do you live on, Medicare is not successful. The last Medicare Trustee report I read in 2012 put the shortfall at 38.6 Trillion dollars. It was created as a pay as you go program from its inception and from inception it was known that we had population bubble to whom we would owe Medicare coverage. Nothing absolutely nothing was one to provide money to pay for this care. My mothers Medicare is like you say a successful program keeping seniors alive. I won't have her medicare. This is why government screws things up. An insurance actuarial would never set rates like that.

I read a report John Goodman and Laurence Kotlikoff, Goodman is the president of the National Center for Policy Analysis and Kotlikoff is an economics professor at Boston University.

They said despite the administration's rosy forecast we are headed for a financial crisis, thanks largely to Obamacare. In a report last month, Medicare trustees "acknowledge that current law envisages dramatic reductions in future Medicare outlays which may be 'difficult to sustain,'" the two write in The Wall Street Journal.

"Yet even with these unrealistic assumptions about Medicare costs, the future looks bleak. The unfunded liability in Medicare, the trustees tell us, is $34 trillion over the next 75 years."

Goodman and Kotlikoff contend that "based on more plausible assumptions, such as those reflected in the 'alternative' scenario for Medicare produced by the Congressional Budget Office in June 2012, the long-term shortfall is more than $100 trillion."

The trustees' estimates are "based on the assumption built into law that next Jan. 1 there will be a 25 percent decrease in the fees that Medicare pays doctors," they say.

That's because Congress passed a law in 1997 forbidding Medicare physician fees from growing faster than the economy as a whole. "Since then, though, Congress has postponed the cuts on 14 occasions," the two write. "Why assume things will be different now?

As for Obamacare, "to pay for the expansion of health insurance for the young, the new health law calls for steep cuts in the growth of healthcare spending on the elderly," Goodman and Kotlikoff write.

The say "draconian" cuts in payments to providers will have to be made.

"Medicare fees would fall below the reimbursement rates for Medicaid next year and fall further and further as the years go by," they say.

"From a financial point of view, senior patients will become less desirable than welfare recipients. Medicare's Office of the Actuary is predicting that one in seven hospitals will completely leave the Medicare system by 2020 because of these pay cuts."

Just where do think we are going to get even the money to service the debt of 100 Trillion dollars. Do you realize that that will do to the budget, we spend about 6% of our budget servicing debt now, to pay for that kind of deficit it will eat up over 35% of our budget at todays ultra low interest rates which will not be around then.

The tea party people don't really know how right they are, I don't think they realize just how bad it will get and just how fast it will happen.
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<quoted text> NOPE. One way or the other, it will be defunded, scrapped, and back to the drawing board.
I hope so. The sooner we get single payer, universal coverage the better. Just think how much money it will save. Just think of the boon to business when they no longer have to pay for their employees insurance and that money goes to the CEO.
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I hope so. The sooner we get single payer, universal coverage the better. Just think how much money it will save. Just think of the boon to business when they no longer have to pay for their employees insurance and that money goes to the CEO.
If you can't afford healthcare you will probably like single payer. But if you can afford insurance you will not, everyone I know who lived both here and Britain was able to buy insurance, they hated the single payer. Had to pay higher taxes because of it and ended up with less choice in their healthcare. Single payer always degenerates into to the lowest common denominator.
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In 6 months the Affordable Care Act will be deemed a complete success but regardless, OBAMACARE is here to stay... and all the right can do is cry about it. Obama won (as he always does) and the right will forever be bitter about that.
Bullsh*t. Obamacare will be defunded and scrapped sooner or later because keeping it would be fiscal suicide. It was a failed concept from the very beginning that was slammed dunked on the American public after a partisan vote spearheaded by demons who don't give one damn about American. You know they type of people I'm talking about.....your heroes, loser.

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Very sussinct! Very Good! I have been trying to tell the people here the same thing! They can only see the cost. The diminishing quality of medicine and medical care means nothing to them!
My president was elected by dead people!
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If you can't afford healthcare you will probably like single payer. But if you can afford insurance you will not, everyone I know who lived both here and Britain was able to buy insurance, they hated the single payer. Had to pay higher taxes because of it and ended up with less choice in their healthcare. Single payer always degenerates into to the lowest common denominator.
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Robert wrote:
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If you can't afford healthcare you will probably like single payer. But if you can afford insurance you will not, everyone I know who lived both here and Britain was able to buy insurance, they hated the single payer. Had to pay higher taxes because of it and ended up with less choice in their healthcare. Single payer always degenerates into to the lowest common denominator.
Between myself and my employer we pay $2000 per month for my health insurance. That is not health care. I have to pay for health care on top of that. There is no choice as every doctor has to check with the "insurance" company to see if the diagnosis and treatments are approved.

The past method extracts many many billions from our economy and returns nothing excepts gives insurance company executives fantastic salaries and benefits. With ACA the bonuses expected by the insurance company executive rise exponentially. When everyone has to pay thousands of dollars and gets almost nothing in return the system is sick.

Single payer reduces the cost of health care by those many many billions of dollars and that money can go to improving our economy instead of just giving it to a few rich people.

Now if the GOP gets their hands on single payer, I would expect they would add giant co-pays and deductibles like they have with everything else to make sure only the rich get health care. The task is to get single payer, and then prevent the GOP from destroying it.
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TerryE wrote:
Very sussinct! Very Good! I have been trying to tell the people here the same thing! They can only see the cost. The diminishing quality of medicine and medical care means nothing to them!
My president was elected by dead people!
Regards, Terri
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Diminishing quality of health care? How good is the health care that you can't get? We have already lost any semblance of good health care in the USA as our results are becoming third world status.

It is those who want to maintain the status quo of diminishing health care who only see the loss of billions to a few insurance company CEOs.
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Don Joe wrote:
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Between myself and my employer we pay $2000 per month for my health insurance. That is not health care. I have to pay for health care on top of that. There is no choice as every doctor has to check with the "insurance" company to see if the diagnosis and treatments are approved.
The past method extracts many many billions from our economy and returns nothing excepts gives insurance company executives fantastic salaries and benefits. With ACA the bonuses expected by the insurance company executive rise exponentially. When everyone has to pay thousands of dollars and gets almost nothing in return the system is sick.
Single payer reduces the cost of health care by those many many billions of dollars and that money can go to improving our economy instead of just giving it to a few rich people.
Now if the GOP gets their hands on single payer, I would expect they would add giant co-pays and deductibles like they have with everything else to make sure only the rich get health care. The task is to get single payer, and then prevent the GOP from destroying it.
The health CARE system is messed up but single payer would never fly unless you get doctors to go hourly or salaried and get the public to accept true clinic style medicine which means you wait, doesn't mean you'll be denied but that means you might have to sit in waiting room half a day to be seen and weeks to months for a non emergent test or procedure. This style of medicine should be a cheaper alternative/option but not mandatory.

The big problem is that INSURANCE based medicine inflated the COSTS so much it's hard to tell where the actual COST problems are other than the 50 dollar aspirin or the $3000 MRI(and yet many facilities advertise a $350 cash mri). The providers have built their business on inflated pricing/INSURANCE and the patients have come to expect max treatment ie the $300 office visit for the sniffles or a boo boo.

I will say the minute we get really close to a single payer system the prices will drop. Some providers will bail on the system but many practices & hospitals already compete/advertise for your insurance money/business. They'll do the same for cash.
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Poor Obama. He sounds like a circus huckster peddling his wares. Obamacare is a big mess. Everybody know it except the Democrats. It is headed back to the Supreme Court, this time as a tax that didn't originate in the House where all taxes must originate.

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YESSS! I heard that too! Maybe that A-hole, John Roberts, will get it right this time!
My President was elected by dead people!
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Poor Obama. He sounds like a circus huckster peddling his wares. Obamacare is a big mess. Everybody know it except the Democrats. It is headed back to the Supreme Court, this time as a tax that didn't originate in the House where all taxes must originate.
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Don Joe wrote:
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Between myself and my employer we pay $2000 per month for my health insurance. That is not health care. I have to pay for health care on top of that. There is no choice as every doctor has to check with the "insurance" company to see if the diagnosis and treatments are approved.
The past method extracts many many billions from our economy and returns nothing excepts gives insurance company executives fantastic salaries and benefits. With ACA the bonuses expected by the insurance company executive rise exponentially. When everyone has to pay thousands of dollars and gets almost nothing in return the system is sick.
Single payer reduces the cost of health care by those many many billions of dollars and that money can go to improving our economy instead of just giving it to a few rich people.
Now if the GOP gets their hands on single payer, I would expect they would add giant co-pays and deductibles like they have with everything else to make sure only the rich get health care. The task is to get single payer, and then prevent the GOP from destroying it.
I will not argue that our insurance is not too expensive, it is crazy expensive. The main point of my earlier post was the difference in satisfaction with the health care between people receiving it here under insurance and elsewhere under single payer.

I think we are smart enough to look it our system, figure out why it is so much more expensive and do something about it. If you think the reason we pay triple what someone pays for a knee replacement in Europe is because of insurance executive bonuses maybe we are not.
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sheepleloveroyalty wrote:
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The health CARE system is messed up but single payer would never fly unless you get doctors to go hourly or salaried and get the public to accept true clinic style medicine which means you wait, doesn't mean you'll be denied but that means you might have to sit in waiting room half a day to be seen and weeks to months for a non emergent test or procedure. This style of medicine should be a cheaper alternative/option but not mandatory.
The big problem is that INSURANCE based medicine inflated the COSTS so much it's hard to tell where the actual COST problems are other than the 50 dollar aspirin or the $3000 MRI(and yet many facilities advertise a $350 cash mri). The providers have built their business on inflated pricing/INSURANCE and the patients have come to expect max treatment ie the $300 office visit for the sniffles or a boo boo.
I will say the minute we get really close to a single payer system the prices will drop. Some providers will bail on the system but many practices & hospitals already compete/advertise for your insurance money/business. They'll do the same for cash.
I don't buy the wait and wait argument. Even if it were correct it would be better to wait than be denied. Taking billions of dollars out of the insurance company executive's pockets results in lower payments and more money for the doctors. Removing the burden of paying for crazy expensive health care insurance for employees immediately improves business prospects; even if taxes go up a bit.

As to the $300 office visit for a cold, all the person really wants is the prescription only medication, and the only way to get it is with a doctor's visit, then pay a fortune for the medication. If people could get the medication without all the nonsense designed to extract their wealth it would free up money for both the doctor and the patient.

While there may be some issues with single payer, it is far far better than what we had prior to ACA and better than what we have now.
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I will not argue that our insurance is not too expensive, it is crazy expensive. The main point of my earlier post was the difference in satisfaction with the health care between people receiving it here under insurance and elsewhere under single payer.
I think we are smart enough to look it our system, figure out why it is so much more expensive and do something about it. If you think the reason we pay triple what someone pays for a knee replacement in Europe is because of insurance executive bonuses maybe we are not.
As to the satisfaction there are many ways to consider it. For example, you can't ask those who die in our system that would be in good health under single payer. Typically a person is under one or the other. Only those who are very wealthy and can afford to leave the free service and pay a small fortune can say that they actually get some value for the amount they pay. Otherwise they wouldn't pay so the opinion is biased and not indicative of the situation.

On the other hand, looking at the results of our system versus others indicates our system is bad and getting worse according to statistics like cancer survivability, infant mortality, life expectancy, and so on. Those systems with single payer are moving up in those categories and we are moving down.

Additionally, I am open to other suggestions. If you have some way to deliver health care that reduces costs even more, and provides reasonable access, I would consider it. Have you any such suggestions?
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What speed are we going down hill now? Is it
fast enough for all of you who didn't get enough
of him in the first 4 yrs.? Well, now your getting what he had planned for you these next
four yrs.

Its way too late now to do anything about what
he has planned all along.

Its a shame that the vote for him was more important than anyone on this earth meant to
you. Life means nothing, not even those who have died so you could cast your vote for him.

Suffering of our people will not know that it was your vote and you will be in the same boat as those who could see what would happen
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The love for a leader that can not see what he
is doing to YOUR people and the country is like
the blind mice. You won't be here long enough
to reverse what you are allowing him to get by
with! Maybe you should throw out your name, SO
you can go down in history as one of your kind
brought a country down on its knees and gave it
away to God knows who! Could your choice be Russia, china, or the muslim countries? Oh you
and your buddies will be held for it all while
your screams does only BLAME everyone else...
The laughs will be heard around the world for your
stupity. We hear your blame game everyday, and
just set and watch you and your games turn to dirt
as it should.

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