Planned Parenthood Files Suit Over Texas Abortion Law

There are 131 comments on the CBS Local story from Sep 27, 2013, titled Planned Parenthood Files Suit Over Texas Abortion Law. In it, CBS Local reports that:

As expected, the abortion battle launched in the Texas Legislature with House Bill 2 is now headed to the courts.

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“Women are people, not objects.”

Since: Sep 09

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#63 Nov 18, 2013
Just a thought wrote:
You're all deflecting. If a woman disagrees with you she's a sellout. You blame all men for your problems. None of you have hit a nerve with me. You're all out of touch with the reality, the thing is that most all young people approach sex very casually. There are worse results than pregnancy for unprotected sex. You ladies are from a different generation. Girls don't get pressured into sex from thier intimidating boyfriends much anymore . There is no consequences. Get pregnant, get rid of it. Easy peasy!
No, YOU are deflecting, and you're utterly blind to the truth, because you're guilty of doing the very things I've been pointing out in here that get nobody anywhere. Your very first post was a slut-shaming one, arrogantly launching into assumptions about women who abort. I've never called any woman a sellout; I've calmly stated that women are as much to blame for the sexist double standards we still live under as men, because they have been conditioned to condone or ignore men's sexual behavior, while demonizing women for theirs.

I'm not sure who in here you think is blaming her troubles on all men. I've flagrantly put the blame on society and the BOYS that help cause unwanted pregnancy but never get smacked down for it like their female sexual partners do.

You came in here immediately talking nasty about girls that find themselves in trouble, and yet you get offended by the very THOUGHT of anyone criticizing the boys that helped get them that way. I make it a point to remind people who like to slut-shame that behind every pregnant woman, there's a man with an erection and he could have just as easily kept it in his pants, but oh no...to you people it would be cruel and hateful to say such a thing to a boy. It's fine to have that attitude against the girls, but the boys can do no wrong.

It's like you think women are asexual creatures that get themselves pregnant, without ever going near sperm or a penis. And if you think that boys never pressure girls into sex, you're delusional...or you've got Male Entitlement Syndrome and have no concept of sexual pressure, because you don't want to believe males should ever have to pressure their partners for something they are so clearly entitled to have whenever they want. Time to wake up to reality and examine your hypocrisy.
Just a thought

United States

#64 Nov 18, 2013
My comment where made to your collective. Not just one person. Pick what fits you. You accuse me of thinking women are asexual while you make them out to be totally helpless against men. If you spent more time preaching to girls that they need to be stronger and not be pressured as you say and less time defending thier right to get rid of the problem after it the fact things might be better.

“Women are people, not objects.”

Since: Sep 09

Location hidden

#65 Nov 18, 2013
Just a thought wrote:
My comment where made to your collective. Not just one person. Pick what fits you. You accuse me of thinking women are asexual while you make them out to be totally helpless against men. If you spent more time preaching to girls that they need to be stronger and not be pressured as you say and less time defending thier right to get rid of the problem after it the fact things might be better.
Again with the excusing boys entirely from responsibility. You are really clinging hard to your privilege. I never claimed women were helpless. I simply reminded that there's a horny guy behind every unwanted pregnancy--a fact that prolifers tend to forget or ignore. Many women often do resist sexual pressure...and end up single for it. That's okay, but there are plenty of others that feel they are in love and don't want to lose their partners. They cave and some of them wind up in trouble, with people like you shaking your finger at them while the boys skip merrily off to their next target.

How about this for a change: Tell boys not to pressure their girlfriends for sex. Teach them that they can control their baser urges and that it's BOTH party's responsibility to practice safe sex, not just the one that can get pregnant as a result.

You'd never go for that idea though, would you? That would mean criticizing a male, and you've made it pretty clear that only the females should be held accountable.
Just a thought

United States

#66 Nov 18, 2013
I absolutely tell young boys to respect women. I also try and talk to them about abstinence. I have two teenage sons of my own and we're very close. I talk to them and there friends at length about safe sex and waiting. it all starts at home. Abortion should not be used as birth control.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#67 Nov 18, 2013
Just a thought wrote:
I absolutely tell young boys to respect women. I also try and talk to them about abstinence. I have two teenage sons of my own and we're very close. I talk to them and there friends at length about safe sex and waiting. it all starts at home. Abortion should not be used as birth control.
Abortion is birth control. It can't be anything else.

It is not contraceptive, and cannot be used as such.

Of course it begins at home, but abstinence-only education is not effective. When a teen is told that condoms don't work, it doesn't keep them from having sex, it just ensures that they will have unprotected sex. A teens brain doesn't work like an adults; their thought will be, well if the condom doesn't work anyway, why bother with it? Telling them "just don't do it", "it's immoral to have sex before marriage", or "God says no" is not cutting it.

The trouble is, far too many parents are doing just that, and no more. AND, they cause problems in the schools by objecting to any kind of REAL sex ed. In an ideal world, all kids would be given the facts at home. Clearly that's not happening, yes?

Between us, my husband and I have raised five kids. We taught them that sex is sacred, not to be taken lightly and for ADULTS, we taught them the very real and good reasons why they as teens were not physically/emotionally ready for sex and parenthood, all about stds and what THEY bring on one, and THEN, we taught them how to protect themselves just in case they ignored all that we'd taught them. They're all adults now, and guess what? Not ONE unplanned pregnancy or std among them. The only pregnancies have been our daughters-in-law, and planned.

And beyond all this, is the fact that no one must live by anyone else's religious beliefs, and our laws must be based on more than that to be constitutional.

What constitutes responsible action regarding an unplanned pregnancy is a matter of opinion, not fact. The fact is that the only opinion that matters, is that of the woman whose body is doing the gestating, facing the possibility of damage to her health/life, and anyone SHE chooses to be a part of that decision. The only alternative is slavery, no matter how temporary.
Ink

Levittown, PA

#68 Nov 18, 2013
Leonine wrote:
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I propose that we as a society start holding men to the same sexual standards that we keep demanding of women. I propose that instead of implying or outright accusing every female with an unwanted pregnancy of being a slut, people stop and consider that many, many women in such situations are in committed relationships--or were, before the boys skipped out on them. I'm sorry, but it happens...a LOT...and nobody calls these boys (they aren't men) out.
I would also propose that people stop trying to police other people's reproductive lives, but I understand that isn't going to happen anytime soon. Until it can, I'd be satisfied if people either stop trying to shame women for their sexuality or start shaming men for it too. Maybe if the attitudes change and guys get called out on their behavior more often, fewer of them will be as inclined to build up a collection of baby mamas.
I don't think any of your ideas will help or prevent unwanted pregnancies.
Ink

Levittown, PA

#69 Nov 18, 2013
Leonine wrote:
<quoted text>
Again with the excusing boys entirely from responsibility. You are really clinging hard to your privilege. I never claimed women were helpless. I simply reminded that there's a horny guy behind every unwanted pregnancy--a fact that prolifers tend to forget or ignore. Many women often do resist sexual pressure...and end up single for it. That's okay, but there are plenty of others that feel they are in love and don't want to lose their partners. They cave and some of them wind up in trouble, with people like you shaking your finger at them while the boys skip merrily off to their next target.
How about this for a change: Tell boys not to pressure their girlfriends for sex. Teach them that they can control their baser urges and that it's BOTH party's responsibility to practice safe sex, not just the one that can get pregnant as a result.
You'd never go for that idea though, would you? That would mean criticizing a male, and you've made it pretty clear that only the females should be held accountable.
the pro choice folks on these threads strongly advocate for satisfying sex lives for women without the 'punishment' of a child. They talk about healthy sex lives with cheap access to contraception for all girls and women. We know sex is cheap now and means little many times. Hooking up is popular with men and women and girls and boys. This sexual freedom means pregnancies that no one wants neither the guy or the girl. So the abortion business will continue to flourish with no one held responsible, male or female.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#70 Nov 18, 2013
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think any of your ideas will help or prevent unwanted pregnancies.
And why is that? Because you figure that men cannot be controlled, shamed and belittled it would be against their "natural rights" but women can and should be subjected to all the above? Again, you are part of the problem, and very protective of men......

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#71 Nov 18, 2013
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>
the pro choice folks on these threads strongly advocate for satisfying sex lives for women without the 'punishment' of a child. They talk about healthy sex lives with cheap access to contraception for all girls and women. We know sex is cheap now and means little many times. Hooking up is popular with men and women and girls and boys. This sexual freedom means pregnancies that no one wants neither the guy or the girl. So the abortion business will continue to flourish with no one held responsible, male or female.
You have a problem with satisfying sex lives for women? You have a problem with contraception?
It is your side that considers child bearing a punishment. You believe that a woman/girl should suffer the consequences of "her" actions. Right? OR "she" should take responsibility for "her" actions....right? This is repeated over and over again by your ilk. Better contraception will come into play...hopefully for both sexes. Then what Ink? What will you bitch about then? Contraception? it appears you are bitching about it now.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#72 Nov 18, 2013
Just a thought wrote:
I absolutely tell young boys to respect women. I also try and talk to them about abstinence. I have two teenage sons of my own and we're very close. I talk to them and there friends at length about safe sex and waiting. it all starts at home. Abortion should not be used as birth control.
Abortion will be used and has been used for eons. Legally or illegally. The woman WILL decide and it remains NONE of your fcking business. You tend to the boys, You make sure to tell them what a loser they will be if they knock up a girl, you make sure to scold lecture and preach to them like the girls have been put through. You tell them how their life will be ruined if they knock up a girl. You tell them they will have to work and support the child or you will disown then. Go ahead....treat them like the girls have been treated. Man up.
Just a thought

United States

#73 Nov 18, 2013
Ink had said several times in her post that both genders are responsible and to blame but you still want to make her out to be pro male and anti female. You really need to get a grip on reality and what is going on today with teen sexuality. It is very casual with both genders. NSA sex runs rampant with teens. You say the male never gets the blame. That is true in a lot of cases. Not right but true. But you make it out that women should not be responsible for thier own protection by insisting on a condom and not engaging is sex without proper precautions. The male should 100% should provide and use a condom but if he doesn't then the female is excused also?
Morgana 9 wrote:
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And why is that? Because you figure that men cannot be controlled, shamed and belittled it would be against their "natural rights" but women can and should be subjected to all the above? Again, you are part of the problem, and very protective of men......
Just a thought

United States

#74 Nov 18, 2013
Go ahead man up? You act like you know what I have or haven't said. You make alot of assumptions. You're a very hate filled person. It comes through very strong in your post. Are you the one that's married? I can't recall.
Morgana 9 wrote:
<quoted text>
Abortion will be used and has been used for eons. Legally or illegally. The woman WILL decide and it remains NONE of your fcking business. You tend to the boys, You make sure to tell them what a loser they will be if they knock up a girl, you make sure to scold lecture and preach to them like the girls have been put through. You tell them how their life will be ruined if they knock up a girl. You tell them they will have to work and support the child or you will disown then. Go ahead....treat them like the girls have been treated. Man up.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#75 Nov 19, 2013
Just a thought wrote:
Ink had said several times in her post that both genders are responsible and to blame but you still want to make her out to be pro male and anti female. You really need to get a grip on reality and what is going on today with teen sexuality. It is very casual with both genders. NSA sex runs rampant with teens. You say the male never gets the blame. That is true in a lot of cases. Not right but true. But you make it out that women should not be responsible for thier own protection by insisting on a condom and not engaging is sex without proper precautions. The male should 100% should provide and use a condom but if he doesn't then the female is excused also?<quoted text>
I think I have read many of Inks post through the years, and yes, she is very protective of males, she trusts a male hierarchy misogynistic believe system. Leonine proposed some great suggestions and Ink just naturally figured (or disagreed)(or was opposed to) the idea of holding men accountable, lets review:

"" I propose that we as a society start holding men to the same sexual standards that we keep demanding of women.""

"""Until it can, I'd be satisfied if people either stop trying to shame women for their sexuality or start shaming men for it too. Maybe if the attitudes change and guys get called out on their behavior more often, fewer of them will be as inclined to build up a collection of baby mamas.""

I have a STRONG grip on reality recognizing when people dodge holding both feet to the fire.
Sex is very casual for both sexes? Sex has ALWAYS been very casual for one of the sexes and I think we both know which one I am referring too. So now both have casual attitudes, one caught up with the other huh?

The male not getting proper blame is alive and well right here on this thread promoted by you:
Just a thought wrote:
It's ridiculous to think its ok to end a life because you can't keep your legs closed. I'd live to see a statistic on how many abortions are performed because of rape or incest. Abortion should not be used as birth control! I'm completely opposed to it but I can understand where certin conditions may lead to it. not the conditions where you get drunk and have unprotected sex or just have unprotected sex in general.
Take a good hard look at your gangbuster entry into this thread, then take a look at your back peddling and denial.

You are so male centric and oblivious that when called on the carpet by women you jump to the man hater corner (typical) because that is all you are capable of comprehending while excusing your own ignorance.

Don't expect us women to back down. You showed your true colors upon arrival....we got your number and we are not going to allow you the privileges you "expect". Like I said, strong women are not your cup of tea.
Ocean56

AOL

#76 Nov 19, 2013
Just a thought wrote:
Go ahead man up? You act like you know what I have or haven't said. You make alot of assumptions. You're a very hate filled person. It comes through very strong in your post.
We DO know what you have said and haven't said, goofy. How? We've read all your posts, that's how. They provide us with all the evidence we need. What YOU do is slut-shame women and give the guys who GOT them pregnant a verbal slap on the wrist at most, but really nothing else.

You save your most vicious comments and criticisms both for the women who get pregnant and have an abortion and women like Morgana and Leonine who call you out on your failure to hold guys accountable. After reading your posts, it is clear to me that the "very hate-filled person" here is YOU, because you can't stand it that you don't get to control women's sexual and reproductive choices. IME I've found that most anti-choicers are like that.
Ocean56

AOL

#77 Nov 19, 2013
Sorry, I forgot to add Bitner to the group of women who have called "JustaThought" out for his failure to hold guys accountable when they get women pregnant.

Please accept my apologies for the oversight, Bit. It was not intentional.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#78 Nov 19, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
Sorry, I forgot to add Bitner to the group of women who have called "JustaThought" out for his failure to hold guys accountable when they get women pregnant.
Please accept my apologies for the oversight, Bit. It was not intentional.
No need to apologize, because actually I wasn't part of that conversation I don't think :)
Dan

Omaha, NE

#79 Nov 19, 2013
Leonine wrote:
<quoted text>
I propose that we as a society start holding men to the same sexual standards that we keep demanding of women. I propose that instead of implying or outright accusing every female with an unwanted pregnancy of being a slut, people stop and consider that many, many women in such situations are in committed relationships--or were, before the boys skipped out on them. I'm sorry, but it happens...a LOT...and nobody calls these boys (they aren't men) out.
I would also propose that people stop trying to police other people's reproductive lives, but I understand that isn't going to happen anytime soon. Until it can, I'd be satisfied if people either stop trying to shame women for their sexuality or start shaming men for it too. Maybe if the attitudes change and guys get called out on their behavior more often, fewer of them will be as inclined to build up a collection of baby mamas.
The "baby mama collectors" are held financially responsible for their collection.

What other "standard" would you have them held to? I mean, these men aren't held up as exemplars to society.
Just a thought

San Antonio, TX

#80 Nov 19, 2013
I never only held women accountable. You bring up slut shame alot. Do you think that there aren't women out there that aren't sluts? I know there are plenty of male sluts out there. What about wen that have multiple abortions? Were they all just trucked by men over and over again? Where does it stop? Gender selection abortions, late term abortions? Maybe we could just terminate a handicapped child after its born if it becomes a burden to the parent. Why stop there? How bout if the child is just a disappointment? How bout the elderly. They can be a burden also. We should get rid of them to. It would be easier for every one.
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
We DO know what you have said and haven't said, goofy. How? We've read all your posts, that's how. They provide us with all the evidence we need. What YOU do is slut-shame women and give the guys who GOT them pregnant a verbal slap on the wrist at most, but really nothing else.
You save your most vicious comments and criticisms both for the women who get pregnant and have an abortion and women like Morgana and Leonine who call you out on your failure to hold guys accountable. After reading your posts, it is clear to me that the "very hate-filled person" here is YOU, because you can't stand it that you don't get to control women's sexual and reproductive choices. IME I've found that most anti-choicers are like that.
Just a thought

San Antonio, TX

#81 Nov 19, 2013
I find promiscuity in general to be shameful for both sexes. None of you have said anything about std's. I've said on several occasions that both genders should be held accountable. I think dead beat dads are a disgrace. I also think that all life should be given a chance. I came from a single parent home and I know it isn't easy for a mom to raise a child on her own. I proof that it is doable though. We had no money and I often went to bed hungry. I seen my mother struggle to make not even close to ends meat. Now thank God and praise Jesus I am successful. Thanks to the Lord and a strong woman that never gave up on me. Now I take care of my mom and will continue to do so till the day I die. I also take extremely good care of my own children. No one is ever ready to become a parent. There's never a good time or enough money. No mater how it comes about, life is precious and should be given a chance. I guess that would make me pro chance. We all happen for a reason. We all get do caught up in proving our case. I'm just as guilty as the rest. Instead of standing up for rights, we should stand up for right!
Just a thought

San Antonio, TX

#83 Nov 19, 2013
When I was you my mom took me to a community clinic. For those of you that don't know what that is, it's a clinic for people with no money. While we was on the waiting room a girl From the mobile home park we lived in came in. She was maybe 18 or 19. She was living with a sort of gang banger type of guy. He was a good guy but hung out with a rough crowd. He was mid 20's. She came in to schedule an abortion. My mom made polite conversation with her. She told my mom what she was there for. My mom was completely against abortion but didn't cast judgement on her. She talk to her for a while. By the time the girls name was called my mom had convinced her to keep the baby. As months went by my mom would visit her. I watched the girl get more excited the closer she came to having the baby. When she gave birth I seen a total change in not only her but boyfriend. She became one of the best mothers and he a typical doting father to their new baby girl. As they years went by this little girl became everything to them. It completely changed their lives. I wonder how their lives would have been if they didn't keep that baby. If my mom hadn't been there in that waiting room. Not every story turns out this way but if they're not given the chance how would we ever know?

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