Texas abortion clinics stay open following ruling

Oct 29, 2013 Full story: Northern Michigan News 166

The only abortion clinic in a 300-mile swath of West Texas can resume taking appointments Tuesday, after a federal judge struck down new restrictions that would have effectively shuttered it and at least a dozen other clinics across the state.

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“Concerned in Tennessee”

Since: Dec 07

Knoxville, TN

#21 Oct 29, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Although Coldwater's taking the thing in a different direction, I do believe that the appeals that TX will make on this will be to the point of states being allowed to regulate commerce and/or medical practice in the state.
RvW did make abortion legal, but I'm not sure how someone will make the case that the Constitution prohibits regulation of it by the states. Many things that are legal are still regulated.
Should be interesting.
You are right of course, if that was what they were actually trying to do. However this isn't about regulation, that is just a smoke screen. What they were really trying to do was make regulations so stringent that it would force a majority of the clinics to close. That was the real reason for the proposed "regulation," to find a way to force the clinics to close. It was dishonest and unnecessary, and contrary to what health care providers testified was necessary. That is why the court struck it down, and why the Supreme Court will likely do the same thing if they waste their time pushing to that level.
Cordwainer Trout

Campbellsville, KY

#22 Oct 29, 2013
TN Reader wrote:
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You are right of course, if that was what they were actually trying to do. However this isn't about regulation, that is just a smoke screen. What they were really trying to do was make regulations so stringent that it would force a majority of the clinics to close. That was the real reason for the proposed "regulation," to find a way to force the clinics to close. It was dishonest and unnecessary, and contrary to what health care providers testified was necessary. That is why the court struck it down, and why the Supreme Court will likely do the same thing if they waste their time pushing to that level.
You're in such denial, you can only hear yourself.

Only one section of the law was voided by the Judge, which dealt only with the requirement to have these traveling murderers have a relationship with local hospitals. The traveling murderers already uncovered in your Planned Parenthood organization and sent to prison should tell you that such requirements are necessary. Roe v Wade left open specific avenues for invalidating that decision and it will happen. The male proponents of resistance to humane behavior toward innocent human life comes only from their own cowardice and refusal to accept responsibility for their actions. They (you) have done more to turn women into disposable vessels of use than any other segment of society. There's not much on this Earth more foul, than men unwilling to protect the lives of their women and progeny. Women have become things to you, as have perfect little human babies at three months.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#23 Oct 29, 2013
TN Reader wrote:
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You are right of course, if that was what they were actually trying to do. However this isn't about regulation, that is just a smoke screen. What they were really trying to do was make regulations so stringent that it would force a majority of the clinics to close. That was the real reason for the proposed "regulation," to find a way to force the clinics to close. It was dishonest and unnecessary, and contrary to what health care providers testified was necessary. That is why the court struck it down, and why the Supreme Court will likely do the same thing if they waste their time pushing to that level.
It'll be difficult (IMO) to prove intent of a law-all the proponents have to do is say it's for what they've said its for.

Business close due to regulations fairly often. Not really unheard of.

Of course the providers wil say it's unncessary-they're the ones being burdened. I never heard a business operation say anything to the effect of "bring on new regulations-we want them even though it drives my costs up, etc.".
Ocean56

AOL

#24 Oct 29, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
Your "choice" assertions are bullshit. You had a choice to not become pregnant, to control yourself and your lusts. Instead, you and 99% of your fellow killers use abortion as birth control. You're sick, twisted and criminals against humanity.
Contrary to the anti-choice idiocy you choose to believe, sparky, I've never been stuck with an unwanted pregnancy, so for me an abortion has never been necessary. Thank goodness for reliable contraception which has kept me pregnancy-FREE for the last 15+ years.

EACH woman has the right to decide for HERSELF whether or not to continue a pregnancy. If she chooses to continue it, fine; if she chooses NOT to continue it, also fine. Either way, it is HER decision to make and none of your bleeping business. Suck it up, LOSER.
Ocean56

AOL

#25 Oct 29, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
They (you) have done more to turn women into disposable vessels of use than any other segment of society. There's not much on this Earth more foul, than men unwilling to protect the lives of their women and progeny. Women have become things to you, as have perfect little human babies at three months.
Oh PLEASE. The only males that seek to turn women into vessels are patriarchal priests who think of women as second-class citizens and anti-choice extremists. Oh that's right, I forgot; they're one and the same.

By the way, "genius," men don't get force a woman to abort a pregnancy any more than they can force her to gestate one. What part of "not YOUR pregnancy, not your decision" is too hard for you to figure out?
Sterkfontein Swartkrans

Warrington, PA

#26 Oct 29, 2013
It would be nice if fundietards and vatican cult members would just mind their own business.
chelle

United States

#27 Oct 29, 2013
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Since: Dec 07

Spring, TX

#28 Oct 29, 2013
Sterkfontein Swartkrans wrote:
It would be nice if fundietards and vatican cult members would just mind their own business.
One group did mind their own buisness in 93, crap for brains. And Cllinton killed 76 people including 21 children, along with four agents. Four were killed at Ruby Ridge minding their own business.

Why don't you marxists make up your fkn mind.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#30 Oct 30, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
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The whole issue you killer supporters avoid is the fact that these laws are in reaction to the extremes some of your doctors have performed... vicious, horrible, inhuman violations of any sense of propriety humane behavior. By insisting they not be controlled, you are saying you support their behavior, thus you belong in prison with them.
Some or few doctors?

The truth is...you want abortion entirely outlawed. So please spare us the "these regulations are to protect women" bullshit. You are not concerned about women in the least. You are only concerned about forcing your will on women regardless of their circumstances.

You should look into catholicism )if you haven't already). They have a whole bunch of fun with women in desperate situations. Catholic hospitals for example if a woman has an ectopic pregnancy they will not allow her the drug to induce an abortion, instead they slice her open removing the infected portion of the fallopian tube knowing full well that the embryo/fetus will die, but they claim that is not their intent. Recently in Ireland they happily allowed a septic pregnant woman to die as opposed to allowing her an abortion. Thats how they get right with god.. You should check into this religious nuttery.

“Just here to put in my 2c”

Since: May 12

Texarkana

#31 Oct 30, 2013
Only rape victims should be slowed to have abortions or if it is a life or death case. But if you claim to have been raped you should have to provide a police report.
Ocean56

AOL

#32 Oct 30, 2013
Kathwynn wrote:
I cheered too. It was another win for the good guys.
It sure was; therefore a big loss for anti-choicers who keep trying to deny women access to reproductive choice.
Ocean56

AOL

#33 Oct 30, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
The truth is...you want abortion entirely outlawed. So please spare us the "these regulations are to protect women" bullshit. You are not concerned about women in the least. You are only concerned about forcing your will on women regardless of their circumstances.
Exactly, Morgana. Whenever I see this phony claim of "protecting women," I know it's just the opposite. These legislative regulations against abortion providers were pushed through for ONE reason; to deny women access to both abortion AND contraception.

Anti-choice guys like "Trout" are only concerned about CONTROLLING women and making our sexual and reproductive choices for us. They make that obvious every time they post.

“Concerned in Tennessee”

Since: Dec 07

Knoxville, TN

#34 Oct 30, 2013
You know, I think life would be simpler if conservatives and Republicans lived by one simple philosophy: Mind your own damn business.

For instance... let's say you are anti-gays or gays getting married. Don't associate with gays or attend any gay weddings. No one will force you too. Simple really. The same thing goes for abortions... you don't like it... then don't get an abortion, but don't try to tell others they can't. If it doesn't directly affect you... mind your own damn business.

Simple really.

“Just here to put in my 2c”

Since: May 12

Texarkana

#36 Oct 30, 2013
TN Reader wrote:
You know, I think life would be simpler if conservatives and Republicans lived by one simple philosophy: Mind your own damn business.

For instance... let's say you are anti-gays or gays getting married. Don't associate with gays or attend any gay weddings. No one will force you too. Simple really. The same thing goes for abortions... you don't like it... then don't get an abortion, but don't try to tell others they can't. If it doesn't directly affect you... mind your own damn business.

Simple really.
I say if you don't want a kid don't have sex or get on birth control. It's that simple! I think you should be able to have a abortion and then be aerated for murder. I take it you or have had one the way you are defending it!

“Concerned in Tennessee”

Since: Dec 07

Knoxville, TN

#37 Oct 30, 2013
dontheoutlaw64 wrote:
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I say if you don't want a kid don't have sex or get on birth control. It's that simple! I think you should be able to have a abortion and then be aerated for murder. I take it you or have had one the way you are defending it!
Nope, my former girlfriends or my wife never had one, nor would I ever advise anyone to have one.

See that is my opinion, and my wife's "choice." I believe in minding your own business.

Frankly I don't care who is having sex or what form of birth control they are using (or aren't using.) It just isn't any of my business. No one is going to "make" my wife have an abortion, that is OUR choice you see. I am happy that we can make that choice. I just don't understand folks that seem to think they have the right to dictate what other people do or how they live their private lives.
Cordwainer Trout

Campbellsville, KY

#38 Oct 30, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
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Exactly, Morgana. Whenever I see this phony claim of "protecting women," I know it's just the opposite. These legislative regulations against abortion providers were pushed through for ONE reason; to deny women access to both abortion AND contraception.
Anti-choice guys like "Trout" are only concerned about CONTROLLING women and making our sexual and reproductive choices for us. They make that obvious every time they post.
The way you killers go on, one would think there wasn't a plurality of women, who are against your little murders, but there is. There are medical reasons for abortions; convenience isn't one.

The law in Texas was in response to the horrific behavior of your killer doctors, who are fewer and fewer, as they go to prison for horrible crimes. Your(pl) arguments are designed to keep them active preying on more babies and more women. The men supporting you laugh at you and use you. Your "liberation" has become a deranged, bloody mess.
Ink

Levittown, PA

#39 Oct 30, 2013
Dan wrote:
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It'll be difficult (IMO) to prove intent of a law-all the proponents have to do is say it's for what they've said its for.
Business close due to regulations fairly often. Not really unheard of.
Of course the providers wil say it's unncessary-they're the ones being burdened. I never heard a business operation say anything to the effect of "bring on new regulations-we want them even though it drives my costs up, etc.".
Gosnell would not have been able to maintain his lovely establishment if those laws had been in place in PA.

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#40 Oct 30, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
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It sure was; therefore a big loss for anti-choicers who keep trying to deny women access to reproductive choice.
Texas actually joins Mississippi and Louisiana and few other States that have been slapped down for this stupidity. Though with the imploding republican/tea party going strong. I think this midterm election will be interesting in seeing how many ways the tea party and republicans split their own tickets.

With the life cycle of gerrymandering coming to an end. 2016 should be the last election cycle. though i do expect to see a repeat of the circus that we all saw in 2012 for the republican primary.

Though if the republicans wise up in time they will cut the tea party loose. A big IF there.

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#41 Oct 30, 2013
TN Reader wrote:
You know, I think life would be simpler if conservatives and Republicans lived by one simple philosophy: Mind your own damn business.
For instance... let's say you are anti-gays or gays getting married. Don't associate with gays or attend any gay weddings. No one will force you too. Simple really. The same thing goes for abortions... you don't like it... then don't get an abortion, but don't try to tell others they can't. If it doesn't directly affect you... mind your own damn business.
Simple really.
Once the republican party did just that.. Then president Reagon came in and welomed the so called religious right into the party. At the time the party was doing a little soul searching. trying to decide on how to bury the Nixon debacle and move forward. I think as former President Nixon was a moderate.. Center right republican.

The more conservative side of the party decided that moving further to the right was a good bet. In 1982 it did seem to be the way the country was moving. As in all things. It was not so much move to the right as it was just part of a larger cycle that the American Voting public indulges in.

The republican party main problem is that instead of keep evolving with the political landscape. It keeps try to force a paradigm on the country that does not exist.

The country moves center left to center right. In any election cycle. Rarely does it indulge in a far right or far left presidency.

Something the republican party has to relearn or go the way of the Whigs. This is just my opinion based on years of following politics.

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#42 Oct 30, 2013
Ink wrote:
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Gosnell would not have been able to maintain his lovely establishment if those laws had been in place in PA.
Hey inkstain.. you do realize that it was REPUBLICAN governors that consistently cut back inspectors and inspections. And governor Corbett REPUBLICAN made it a policy to not pursue any allegations against private clinics.. The monster gosnell by the way had a lot of influence with many large republican politicians in Harrisburg.. that is the State Capitol by the way. The Governor even directed the State Attorney general. A fellow republican to not pursue any charges..

Yes inkstain this whole thing with Gosnel is a republican black eye.

You want more monsters? The republican party is more than willing to provide them.

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