Texas Has a Premature Birth Problem, and Racism is to Blame

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Donny Brook

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I'm not knocking those girls up, so let's get to the cause of the problem. Every girl or woman who is pregnant has a choice to take care of herself and the baby or not too. My guess is, these females are choosing to pass on care. Every high school has well baby classes and programs to help these girls, so why aren't they availing themselves of it. Maybe the moron left should quit their crying and moaning and get their fat arses into the community and do some heavy lifting. The truth of the matter is that, like the president, liberals are good at talking and not so much at working. And also, they are scared to death of Black people. Come on Burnt Orange, get out into the world and help.
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Dec 18, 2013
 
Donny Brook wrote:
I'm not knocking those girls up, so let's get to the cause of the problem. Every girl or woman who is pregnant has a choice to take care of herself and the baby or not too. My guess is, these females are choosing to pass on care. Every high school has well baby classes and programs to help these girls, so why aren't they availing themselves of it. Maybe the moron left should quit their crying and moaning and get their fat arses into the community and do some heavy lifting. The truth of the matter is that, like the president, liberals are good at talking and not so much at working. And also, they are scared to death of Black people. Come on Burnt Orange, get out into the world and help.
Texas is also the capital of the lethal injection and was the leading state in forced nude swimming in the confederate south.

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I grew up in Illinois, Rockford, where boys were required to swim nude in swim class the years I was there, 1962-1967.
I hated, despised, loathed and detested it. The girls,of course, little flowers that they were, were allowed suits in their classes. Which fact made me absolutely seethe with rage.
It was as you've heard in most other accounts; boys only, nude, male teachers in suits. That also annoyed me--if I were to be thus humiliated, why not him? No, I didn't protest. What was the point? In those days, no one listened. Especially not to a boy who might feel humiliated at his public nudity. We were supposed to suck it up and get on with it and above all, shut up. It was the American educational system at its best, producing bovine little worker/consumer units. And nice docile cannon fodder for LBJ's dreams of a commie free Asia.
I don't really know which effect it had on behavior. There are those who claim the whole thing was intended as disciplinary tool, to keep other wise boisterous boys in line. It's hard to engage in horse play while blushing from head to foot. And in general, I think there was less bullying and rough housing in swimming than in gym.
I never saw any females around, although the knowledge that they were just on the other side of the (I hoped) locked door marked "Girls Locker Room" was enough to scare the snot out of me. I only remember one woman, the school nurse, casually sauntering into a pool full of naked boys--as though it never occurred to her we might be the slightest bit embarrassed--to inspect our feet. Still I don't doubt the stories of female coaches and spectators. For whatever reason, we, our humiliation and embarrassment, were presumed not to matter; and girls, for what ever reason, did. I knew a woman in college (1973) who claimed she had spent her summer vacation as a lifeguard in a YMCA (I think it was in Indianapolis, but no sure) where the boys and men swam nude. We thought she was exaggerating,but she claimed they were bare ass buck nekkid. It wasn't till years later, when I started reading posts like these, that I realized she was telling the truth.
As for a reason. We weren't given one. It was the tenor of the times; you didn't ask because they wouldn't tell anyway. Our parents were the World War II generation, and they tried to instill in us a deference to authority. As the youth movement of the sixties proved, it didn't work. The only explanations I've ever heard for this have more holes than a hunk of swiss cheese. One of your posters here gave the most lucid explanation--it began when only boys and men swam, and the filters could get clogged, so they swam sans suits. But why, in the 50s-70s did it persist? Probably for the most obvious reason--no one though to change it.
My experience may not have been typical, though I have been surprised to find how many others disliked it and found it humiliating. I know this--my last nude swim class was 42 years ago, and I'm still mad about it.
It turned me into a non swimmer.
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I grew up in Texas and went to high school in the late 70s/early 80s. I was on the guys’ swim team, and since my high school did not have a swimming pool of its own, we practiced at a private men’s athletics club. I don’t know the specifics about the arrangement between the school and the club, and I don’t recall where the girls’ team practiced. The club was exclusively male and allowed nude swimming, and most of the members swam without wearing suits. Since we practiced there, we had the same option, and we all swam nude, including our coach. No one was forced to swim nude, certainly, but I suspect some of the more bashful guys on the team may have succumbed to peer pressure. There were no spectators, other than for occasional club members also using the pool area. We were supervised by an adult, of course, so there was no serious bullying or misbehavior, although I would be lying to deny that there was a little horsing around, mostly good natured. Since competitive swimmers are usually lean, no one on the team was embarrassed about or made fun of for being overweight. Guys being guys and all, I recall there being a fair amount of visual comparison / observation of the relative sizes of our goods, so to speak, but nothing unnatural and certainly not overtly sexual. Some of the guys may have felt some resulting embarrassment, but no one was subject to cruelty. I personally enjoyed swimming nude and thought it was fun and uninhibited, and I think most of us felt that way about it.
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Dec 18, 2013
 
From what I've heard it was only the boys who swam nude. The idea in those days was that boys don't have modesty, while girls need their privacy, or at least the "good girls" should want their privacy.

I'd imagine that it started in the days when physical education (P.E.) was only for boys in school. Girls took Home Economics (home ec - where they learned about cooking and sewing) while the boys took PE. Educators rightly noticed that it made more sense to swim nude. Less dirt for the filters and less worry about the school having to provide swimsuits & have them cleaned. Plus swimming naked just feels better so the boys mostly didn't mind.

When feminism started making in roads girls wanted equal access to the gym facilities at school. That started with sex-segregated PE classes. Boys would play basketball, baseball & lift weights while girls would do gymnastics & stretching exercises. For swimming they divided the pool time between the boy & girl classes. Girls wore suits because "proper lady's protect their modesty" while boys didn't because "that's how we've always done it before & boys don't care." I'd imagine that also had to do with the fact that female coaches were few and far between in those days. So there was little worry about boys having a female coach while girls stood a good chance of having a male coach.

Around the 1970s you had a "perfect storm" of events to kill the nude swimming at school. Title IX and other feminist movements killed gender segregated PE classes since girls often got the short end of the stick in such situations. The gay rights movement made boys aware that gay people weren't just some rare thing that happens in San Francisco; but the boy standing next to you in gym could be gay. Awareness of sexual harassment by teachers made them afraid that they might end up in jail or court if they supervised naked boys.
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Dec 18, 2013
 
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My middle school in Texas required nude swimming?
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My middle school in TX required nude swimming for male students.

Girls swam separately, in suits, of course, but they could oggle us thru the a hole in their locker room wall.

Was this a Texas thing in the 1960s, or was it more widespread?

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Back in the early 60's and before it was common for guys to swim in the nude. Nobody made anything out of it. I was told that the pool filters used to get clogged with the material from the old swimming suits.

It was common at the YMCA (which was for men only) and it was acceptable at Jr. High in Pennsylvania.

We also were allowed to swim nude at a boys YMCA camp wear we had outdoor showers and changing rooms. Back then there was no talk about gays or molestation. I don't know what changed. Have be become more conservative?

LOL Molly

lol i thought you meant they still required it
and no its just texas cause they are weirdos
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Dec 18, 2013
 
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t Lovett Elementary in Meyerland, we remembered the Alamo and square danced. I lived a sheltered life: stayed with the same class all day and rarely looked beyond it.

My next stop, Johnston Junior High, was less stable, more threatening. Student life teemed with subcultures I had never seen. One macho group of boys wore "Hollywood" haircuts with wings on the sides and shiny candy-apple red shoes.

But my strangest memory of Johnston has nothing to do with any student's behavior. A school policy from those days has left me mystified.

Boys had to swim naked in gym class.

People are shocked when I tell them. They don't believe it.

It's true. The same HISD that gave me a conduct grade in sixth grade made me show up to class naked in seventh grade.

We boys rarely talked about it. I don't think the girls knew. They wore bathing suits. I never mentioned it to my parents.

The practice went on for decades, which means many thousands of Houston men went through this. Some may have blocked it out.

I feel like I'm part of a new recovery group: My name is David and I was made to swim naked in public school.

After all these years — I attended junior high between 1961 and 1964 — I wanted to get to the bottom of it: how HISD came up with the idea and when and why it stopped.

I contacted HISD spokesman Terry Abbott, but he knew of no documents or HISD administrators to interview. He acknowledged that he'd heard references to nude swimming "as something that happened a long time ago."

Let me take you to a time long ago. At Johnston in the early 1960s, swim class began when our gym teacher met us in the showers and ordered us to march in a single-file line naked to the indoor pool.

With other Johnston coaches, I'm told, there was swimming instruction, but my swim class was like free time.

Some boys jumped high off the diving board and did cannonballs. Others played water polo in the deep end, hurling volleyballs and shouting. The rest of us stood in the shallow end, waiting for the period to end.

There were two types of boys in our swim class: Those who didn't care that they were naked and unselfconsciously had fun.

And those like me who were thinking: Get me out of here.

A couple of hoods in the class, older than the rest of us, made things more menacing.

Swimming wasn't the only thing I hated about gym — it was all pretty nasty.

In the gym locker room, the wild boys were at home.

Once, hoods grabbed a kid and stuffed him in a towel hamper so deep that you couldn't see him.

Now and then the subject came up with male classmates: Why do they make us swim naked?

The common answer — "Threads from swimsuits clogged the pool drain" — didn't make sense, because girls wore bathing suits. Plus, you didn't hear about other pools around town having this problem.

To find out how long the practice had gone on, I contacted Houston natives. After talking to my younger cousins, brothers Lee, David and Jay, I determined that nude swimming was abolished at Johnston in the mid-'60s, although the years could have varied from coach to coach.

Men who went to Cullen and Burbank junior high schools told me they swam naked, too.

Ted, a 90-year-old man I know, swam naked at Johnston and San Jacinto High School. He entered Johnston in 1930. So, HISD boys swam naked around four decades at least, probably longer.

I tracked down a former Johnston coach, James Ashmore, who was a Disney version of a gym teacher. Young, upbeat and fit, he actually seemed to believe in the value of physical education.

Ashmore worked his way up to HISD athletic director before retiring.

Unlike my coaches who left us on our own on swim days, Ashmore gave swimming instruction.

"As far as I know, it was part of the HISD curriculum," he said of the nudity. "I don't remember parents complaining. It was just the procedure of the day, and no one had a problem with it."
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After talking to a man from Chicago I got a surprise: He swam naked in junior high, too.

Just how widespread was this practice?

At the risk of ending my chances of becoming a district attorney, I went online and Googled the search words: "boys," "nude," "gym" and "class."

Lo and behold, there was an online forum on the topic:

It turned out that men from across the U.S. swam naked in school — in Blue States and Red States — and they were sharing memories.

To my astonishment, the "fibers clogging the drain" theory had made its way around the nation.

A woman joined their discussion. "Is this the best kept secret in the world?" she asked.

The forum turned into an angry debate. On one side were those who were OK with the policy. It's perfectly natural, like skinny-dipping, they wrote. Besides, men and boys swam naked at the YMCA.

On the other side were men who found it degrading. Swimming nude in school wasn't like swimming in the raw with your buddies at the lake. They didn't choose to do it. They were forced.

It's a moot argument. Nude swimming would not take place in a middle school today. "All hell would break loose," said Gayle Fallon, president of the Houston Federation of Teachers. "No parent would put up with it."

So I'm back to asking, "Why?"

I turned to the YMCA, since nude swimming there had been mentioned on the online forum.

I didn't find out much after calling the Y's national office, but the Encyclopedia of Washington State History Web site states that males swam naked at YMCAs across the U.S. beginning in the 1890s.

Hygiene was a reason cited. The Web site noted that it "may have evolved from problems created by the long wool suits ... in fashion, which apparently shed so much they gummed up the pool filters."

So, it was the bathing suit fibers!

Maybe there is a connection between nudity at the YMCA and in junior high, and public school officials were copying the Y. After all, the YMCA's swimming program has always been highly regarded.

As I talked to more people, a new mystery emerged: Why does the idea of swimming naked in public school seem awful to guys my age and younger while older men tend to see it as no big deal?

For example, when I asked 90-year-old Ted what it was like to swim naked at Johnston, he said, "Never thought anything about it really," whereas many guys from my generation hated it.

I turned to Hank, a brilliant, big-picture guy I know. Hank, who is 81, noted that in past decades, men had compulsory military service. In the Navy during World War II, he recalled, "we went through swimming and lifesaving in a group, and all of that was naked ... with everybody from every walk of life, and you had not one shred of privacy."

He recalled how in a small Texas town near his childhood home there were free public baths, one for males and one for females — the only source of hot water for many area residents.

As a country, we're not aware of how much privacy we've gained, he said. "The world then and now is so different it's unimaginable."

Hank noted that the strong economy America has enjoyed since World War II has made the country more affluent, and with wealth comes privacy and privileges.

His contemporaries had much to do with that prosperity. After saving the Free World in WWII, they went to college on the GI Bill and raised their families' standard of living.

From Hank's perspective, I could see a seismic shift in how our culture views men and how men see themselves.

After talking to a guy about my age, I could see how class differences also shape us. He had a naked-in-a-group experience I never knew.
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Texas is a shyte hole.

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Texas is a state of degenerates,crackpots,weirdos and violent cowboy wannabes
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iamcuriousnow wrote:
Texas is a state of degenerates,crackpots,weirdos and violent cowboy wannabes
And a bunch of violent coloreds.
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Large Line wrote:
After talking to a man from Chicago I got a surprise: He swam naked in junior high, too.
Just how widespread was this practice?
At the risk of ending my chances of becoming a district attorney, I went online and Googled the search words: "boys," "nude," "gym" and "class."
Lo and behold, there was an online forum on the topic:
It turned out that men from across the U.S. swam naked in school — in Blue States and Red States — and they were sharing memories.
To my astonishment, the "fibers clogging the drain" theory had made its way around the nation.
A woman joined their discussion. "Is this the best kept secret in the world?" she asked.
The forum turned into an angry debate. On one side were those who were OK with the policy. It's perfectly natural, like skinny-dipping, they wrote. Besides, men and boys swam naked at the YMCA.
On the other side were men who found it degrading. Swimming nude in school wasn't like swimming in the raw with your buddies at the lake. They didn't choose to do it. They were forced.
It's a moot argument. Nude swimming would not take place in a middle school today. "All hell would break loose," said Gayle Fallon, president of the Houston Federation of Teachers. "No parent would put up with it."
So I'm back to asking, "Why?"
I turned to the YMCA, since nude swimming there had been mentioned on the online forum.
I didn't find out much after calling the Y's national office, but the Encyclopedia of Washington State History Web site states that males swam naked at YMCAs across the U.S. beginning in the 1890s.
Hygiene was a reason cited. The Web site noted that it "may have evolved from problems created by the long wool suits ... in fashion, which apparently shed so much they gummed up the pool filters."
So, it was the bathing suit fibers!
Maybe there is a connection between nudity at the YMCA and in junior high, and public school officials were copying the Y. After all, the YMCA's swimming program has always been highly regarded.
As I talked to more people, a new mystery emerged: Why does the idea of swimming naked in public school seem awful to guys my age and younger while older men tend to see it as no big deal?
For example, when I asked 90-year-old Ted what it was like to swim naked at Johnston, he said, "Never thought anything about it really," whereas many guys from my generation hated it.
I turned to Hank, a brilliant, big-picture guy I know. Hank, who is 81, noted that in past decades, men had compulsory military service. In the Navy during World War II, he recalled, "we went through swimming and lifesaving in a group, and all of that was naked ... with everybody from every walk of life, and you had not one shred of privacy."
He recalled how in a small Texas town near his childhood home there were free public baths, one for males and one for females — the only source of hot water for many area residents.
As a country, we're not aware of how much privacy we've gained, he said. "The world then and now is so different."
"... How much privacy we've gained... The world then and now is so different (sic)." Okay, DJ, you yourself admit (through statements you clearly have plagiarized and just as clearly have been much too lazy to bother reading before you posted them), that your alleged campaign has,been fought and won years ago by others. Your cause is moot, no longer vital, its objective long since achieved by others. Pity for you. What's your next cause? Gonna take on the Third Reich?

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