Ramon Renteria: Prejudice recalled in West Texas

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Elizabeth Taylor's recent death brought back painful memories for some of us who grew up in far West Texas.
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Ramon Supporter

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Mar 27, 2011
 
Excellent topic, Ramon. Was the environment you described in Valentine good for our upbringing? Perhaps some of the young Mexicans who endured this kind of early exposure to classism and racism where scarred by this type of treatment. On the other hand, I believe that those of us who managed to overcome that type of treatment were made stronger later in life. I'm a product of those times but in a different town. We were in the North side of the tracks in Clint and being educated in the "Mexican" school for the first four years of elementary school. By the way this setting existed many years past 1954. The logic was that Mexican children did not speak Engish; therefore, they could not learn in an English-speaking setting in the South side of the tracks with the English-speaking children. Explain to me, Ramon: How I'm I supposed to learn English if children in the classroom speak only Spanish?
As for me, I harbor no hard feelings for the way we were treated. I picked their cotton, endured their treatment based on racisma and classism, developed my inner strength to endure any hardship that the world throws at me while I travel the world and observe the same treatment done to others in other parts of this world.

As for Valentine, my only recollections is that their basketball could never beat us. I also fondly remember the high school girl from that school who befriended us in a very sincere way - Espi (Esperanza?)year 1967 and 1968.

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I was beating bush in Vietnam during that time. Who gives a Shit
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My Dad was getting all the white girls thrown at him during that time, including Dorthy Taylor who looked like Ann-Margeret.

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Excellent topic? Are you kidding me? An article written by probably the most prejudice columnist I've ever seen in my life! You want to talk prejudice? Read Ramon Renteria's previous posts. ALL prejudice worthless banter!

Elizabeth Taylor died. Only Ramon could find a way to turn it into a conversation about how the Mexicans were treated badly....
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The movie "Giant" was based on Edna Ferber's novel. Novel. Get it Ramon? Pure fiction. Hollywood always plays up the negative in every movie to impress the impressionable--like you. There was no segregation of Hispanics in West Texas anytime during your lifetime, Ramon, so stop making up BS. You can't have "painful memories" of anything that never really happened, so stop watching so many movies and get your feet on earth and out of LaLa Land. Presidio County, which includes Marfa, has always been predominantly Hispanic so what you spew out is just more of your prejudice and distortions.

Instead of watching movies, Ramon, start reading good, literary books and you might become a literate writer. Movies are made for those who like to be manipulated and who perennially suspend reality and incredulity, a necessary state of mind for those who watch them.
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If you don't know where you have been you don't where you are going. Prejudice existed in El Paso and still does. Lets flash back as early as the 1960's.
The Plaza theater is living proof. On the back northwest corner of the Plaza theater is a small commercial entrance, now bricked up. That entrance was for African Americans so that they could only sit in the balcony.
Douglass school was the only school African Americans could attend in El Paso. Bowie high school was the only high school for Mexican Americans.
The Union Train Depot still has remnants of a glass frosted window that says.... Colored Waiting Room.
Literacy tests at the voting polls had to be taken by African Americans. A poll tax of $1.75 was levied to keep African Americans & Mexican Americans from voting. Only after the primaries would the Democratic Party offer to pay the poll tax for minorities in order to stuff the ballot.
Restaurants had signs hanging in windows that said... No Dogs, No Mexicans no Negroes. When the restaurant would close the proprietor would flip the sign over and it said... We're Closed.
Racism has not completely left El Paso yet, just recently the city buses were rerouted from San Jacinto so that the powers that be could build their emerald city without the Mexican element.
Forgive and remember.
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only ramon can turn any topic into something racist! the topic was supposed to be about liz. and to the citizen, bowie was not the only school for mexicans, i went to burges high. there was also jefferson high,you could pick which school you wanted to attend.
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El Paso high & Austin high were for Anglos only and Bowie was for the Mexicans. I believe Douglass school even extended to the high school level for African Americans. The old Our Lady's Youth Center was the first Douglass school. I don't know much about Ysleta in the 50's or 60's. Burgess was not even built yet.

El Paso Citizen writer is so right about forgive and remember. You cannot imagine prejudice unless you have experienced it.

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ElPasoCitizen wrote:
If you don't know where you have been you don't where you are going. Prejudice existed in El Paso and still does. Lets flash back as early as the 1960's.
The Plaza theater is living proof. On the back northwest corner of the Plaza theater is a small commercial entrance, now bricked up. That entrance was for African Americans so that they could only sit in the balcony.
Douglass school was the only school African Americans could attend in El Paso. Bowie high school was the only high school for Mexican Americans.
The Union Train Depot still has remnants of a glass frosted window that says.... Colored Waiting Room.
Literacy tests at the voting polls had to be taken by African Americans. A poll tax of $1.75 was levied to keep African Americans & Mexican Americans from voting. Only after the primaries would the Democratic Party offer to pay the poll tax for minorities in order to stuff the ballot.
Restaurants had signs hanging in windows that said... No Dogs, No Mexicans no Negroes. When the restaurant would close the proprietor would flip the sign over and it said... We're Closed.
Racism has not completely left El Paso yet, just recently the city buses were rerouted from San Jacinto so that the powers that be could build their emerald city without the Mexican element.
Forgive and remember.
I don't know what El Paso you are talking about, but I've been here since 1960 and due to the military population in northeast I can remember my friends and classmates being of all colors and ethnicities. There was some people that might have attempted to bully or otherwise put someone down because of their color but they would'nt succeed for long because the kids around them were raised with good values and would'nt tolerate that kind of abuse. To say they moved the buses out of the plaza downtown to move the Mexicans out is ridiculous at best.
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Prejudice was very much alive throughout the nation during the 1950's and early 1960's. Remember the race riots, cafeteria sit ins, college protests all shown on black & white tv. It was basically an Anglo world. All the good jobs were held by Anglos. Very seldom did you see a black or Mexican fireman, policeman, or even postman. What changed everything was WWII. Under the GI Bill minorities were able to attend college. That changed everything and Anglos were challenged.
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Afghan - Iraq Vet wrote:
I was beating bush in Vietnam during that time. Who gives a ****
AYI SI beating bush , muy chingon
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Afghan - Iraq Vet wrote:
I was beating bush in Vietnam during that time. Who gives a ****
Big deal, so you went to Vietnam. In 1968 the most beautiful blond in our school liked me but would not date me because of my Mexican background. I had to settle for another girl who was a redhead. So don't talk to me about racism. I experienced it!
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GI Joe wrote:
Prejudice was very much alive throughout the nation during the 1950's and early 1960's. Remember the race riots, cafeteria sit ins, college protests all shown on black & white tv. It was basically an Anglo world. All the good jobs were held by Anglos. Very seldom did you see a black or Mexican fireman, policeman, or even postman. What changed everything was WWII. Under the GI Bill minorities were able to attend college. That changed everything and Anglos were challenged.
"Prejudice was very much alive throughout the nation during the 1950's and early 1960's."

"What changed everything was WWII."

You need to read American History. WWII happened from 1941-45.
Leave it to Ramon to bring out all his fellow scatterbrains.
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Mar 27, 2011
 
therealgrtwyt wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know what El Paso you are talking about, but I've been here since 1960 and due to the military population in northeast I can remember my friends and classmates being of all colors and ethnicities. There was some people that might have attempted to bully or otherwise put someone down because of their color but they would'nt succeed for long because the kids around them were raised with good values and would'nt tolerate that kind of abuse. To say they moved the buses out of the plaza downtown to move the Mexicans out is ridiculous at best.
Wake up and smell thre prejudice. Are you blind vato?
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Pepito 1968 wrote:
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Big deal, so you went to Vietnam. In 1968 the most beautiful blond in our school liked me but would not date me because of my Mexican background. I had to settle for another girl who was a redhead. So don't talk to me about racism. I experienced it!
"settle for a redhead"?????
Now, that is predjudice.
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As you can see in this forum there are still racist piglets that live in El Paso.

Get used to a Brown World. Its get even time.
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Afghan - Iraq Vet wrote:
I was beating bush in Vietnam during that time. Who gives a ****
I do, and I don't give a rats ass either if you are a vet.
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ElPasoCitizen wrote:
If you don't know where you have been you don't where you are going. Prejudice existed in El Paso and still does. Lets flash back as early as the 1960's.
The Plaza theater is living proof. On the back northwest corner of the Plaza theater is a small commercial entrance, now bricked up. That entrance was for African Americans so that they could only sit in the balcony.
Douglass school was the only school African Americans could attend in El Paso. Bowie high school was the only high school for Mexican Americans.
The Union Train Depot still has remnants of a glass frosted window that says.... Colored Waiting Room.
Literacy tests at the voting polls had to be taken by African Americans. A poll tax of $1.75 was levied to keep African Americans & Mexican Americans from voting. Only after the primaries would the Democratic Party offer to pay the poll tax for minorities in order to stuff the ballot.
Restaurants had signs hanging in windows that said... No Dogs, No Mexicans no Negroes. When the restaurant would close the proprietor would flip the sign over and it said... We're Closed.
Racism has not completely left El Paso yet, just recently the city buses were rerouted from San Jacinto so that the powers that be could build their emerald city without the Mexican element.
Forgive and remember.
I challenge you to show any proof that there ever was a literacy test for voters in Texas. The minimal charge of $1.75 (poll tax) you mention was not enough to be a deterrent to any serious voter. It paid the cost of the elections, which were enormous before computers. Minorities have always had money for their alcohol, drugs and strumpets, but didn't want to spend money on anything that didn't taste good or feel good.
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Dr. Lawrence Aaron Nixon, an African American physician and civil rights activist who lived in El Paso, Texas from 1910 until his death in 1966. Born in Marshall, Texas in 1883, Lawrence Nixon graduated from Wiley College in 1902 and Meharry Medical College in 1906. He then established a medical office in Cameron, Texas in 1907, but due to the racial climate and violence of central Texas he moved west to El Paso in hopes of a better life. Although several historians have mentioned Dr. Nixon in their works, they have tended to limit their analysis to his victories in two important Supreme Court cases, Nixon v. Herndon (1927) and Nixon v. Condon (1932), which successfully challenged Texas's all-white Democratic primary. Despite these legal successes, Texas continued to deny Blacks from voting in the Democratic party primary. However, Nixon's challenges would establish the legal precedence that ultimately would dismantle all-white primaries throughout the entire south in the famous Smith v. Allwright Supreme Court decision in 1944. Nixon's courage, independence from the white economy, and the backing of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) allowed him to contest the 1923 Texas Terrell Law which barred African Americans from participating in a Democratic primary election. This study is a fuller and more contextualized reading of Nixon's life which corrects a few mistakes, factual and interpretive, which are in the historiography about Nixon such as his specific profession, date of birth, and the inception of the NAACP's El Paso branch. By combining archival research, oral interviews, and secondary sources this dissertation biography reveals the many facets of Nixon's life not previously written about, including his futile effort to save Henry Lowry from being lynched in 1921, his failed attempt to get an all-Black pool built by the city of El Paso in the whites-only Washington Park, his unsuccessful endeavor to start an all-Black hospital in El Paso, his temporary involvement in Nixon v. McCann (1934), and his brief participation in the short-lived Southern Conference for Human Welfare--a liberal southern multiracial organization which existed in the South from 1938 to 1948. The interpretation and analysis of Nixon's life is also intended to contribute to the growing literature on Blacks in the Borderlands, the participation of the African American professional class in 'racial uplift' during the pre-Civil Rights Movement, and the history of Blacks in the United States West and Southwest.
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Prejudice is alive and well in el paso. If you don't speak Spanish in stores or don't look brown, you are treated like trash.

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