Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

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When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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<quoted text>If we're in agreement that climate is different than weather, wouldn't it help your cause to shun those alarmists who claim proof of AGW every time a tornado causes some damage?
LOL...if climate was so predictable I believe a few more models would've been more accurate by now. Don't you?
This denier does inform himself, son! The fact is your ARGO temps are relatively new and the ocean temp ranges aren't outside the margin of error. Furthermore, if the ghg's are causing the heat....can you explain how it's heating the deep ocean depths without effecting the upper layers?
http://www.thegwpf.org/ocean-temperatures-war...
P.S. I'm not a member of the GOP....let alone the Tea Party, so you're not helping yourself with that accusation, skippy.
For a start the models will not tell you New York will get swamped with rain on any specific day, that is forecasting. However they will tell you that certain conditions align given all the data to increase the chances of super storms by 40% if the ocean temps stay at a certain level or that the food bowls might have a prolonged period of no rain etc. So sure if you get CAT 5 super storms all over the planet every second year or 10 inches of rain in a hour somewhere in the world that would fit into the model's prediction and be quite justified to blame global warming for it. Too many countries now are experiencing a dramatic shift in their weather patterns that is costing billion$ in damages to just keep saying throw away lines its just normal weather.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/04/us-...

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For a start the models will not tell you New York will get swamped with rain on any specific day, that is forecasting. However they will tell you that certain conditions align given all the data to increase the chances of super storms by 40% if the ocean temps stay at a certain level or that the food bowls might have a prolonged period of no rain etc. So sure if you get CAT 5 super storms all over the planet every second year or 10 inches of rain in a hour somewhere in the world that would fit into the model's prediction and be quite justified to blame global warming for it. Too many countries now are experiencing a dramatic shift in their weather patterns that is costing billion$ in damages to just keep saying throw away lines its just normal weather.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/04/us-...
hurricanes and their intensity are down. so are tornadoes.

provide one example that is outside normal variability that agw can be proven as the cause.

try again.
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ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>hurricanes and their intensity are down. so are tornadoes.
provide one example that is outside normal variability that agw can be proven as the cause.
try again.
You can't break even with these alarmists,let alone win.

We have the coldest winter in over a half century and its just the weather,but,we had an un-seasonably warm Easter weekend and its globull warming. LOL

If you don't buy into their narrative,you're not only stupid,but a flat earther cause you don't accept how science evolves,yet,globull warming is settled science. LOL

Alarmists couldn't stack the deck in their favor more if they tried.

Only liberals are allowed to have things both ways,if it suits their agenda,that is.

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A good article on how the Murdoch Empire around the globe uses his media outlets to promote junk science in favour of big oil.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-...

Also a good comment in the reply.

"This world is a strange madhouse. Currently every coachman and every waiter is debating whether relativity theory is correct. Belief in this matter depends on political party affiliation." -- Albert Einstein, 1921.

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ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>hurricanes and their intensity are down. so are tornadoes
You know why that is right??? Global warming of course.
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Damned moronic idiots like you are the ones that need counseling. No. You don't. I take that back. You just need to be locked up in a lunatic asylum, one located in the bottom tunnel of an abandoned coal mine.
You and your kind are prepared to deny science, logic, and reason to support the handful of super rich billionaires who are making the killing off our present energy economy - and killing the earth for future generations. If we don't turn it around - and it may already be too late to do that - a hundred years from now this planet will be such a hellish place that the starving survivors will envy the dead. Your grandchildren will curse you to hell.
You know what your kind need to just find a deserted island and think happy happy thoughts all day,nightly have your little kumba ya hugs and hug your trees and leave the rest of us be.Problem is,is that your a bunch of miserable souls and don't know what the concept of "live and let live" means. Not a single one of your experts have came up with 100% proof that GW exists.
SHOW US YOUR 100% PROOF!!!!!!!!!!
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Rats leaving the sinking ship.....this is from a Republicant pollster:

“There is a middle way where we can talk about this,” said GOP pollster Alex Lundry of TargetPoint Consulting.“Republicans are a lot more open to this than you might think.”

"He recently completed a poll on energy issues for Citizens for Responsible Energy Solutions that found 51 percent of Republicans believe climate change is happening, will happen shortly or will occur in their lifetime. Just 24 percent deny it. The shift is particularly pronounced among younger party members."

Remaining climate believers...that guy cracks me up.
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truth-facts wrote:
<quoted text>You know what your kind need to just find a deserted island and think happy happy thoughts all day,nightly have your little kumba ya hugs and hug your trees and leave the rest of us be.Problem is,is that your a bunch of miserable souls and don't know what the concept of "live and let live" means. Not a single one of your experts have came up with 100% proof that GW exists.
SHOW US YOUR 100% PROOF!!!!!!!!!!
You and your fellow idiots here have been shown a thousand times. Doesn't do any good. Either you're too dumb to understand the science, or you have an agenda.
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The Chamber is the biggest climate alarmist of them all! They thought acid rain regulations would destroy the country. What we got was clean rain.

http://thegreenmiles.blogspot.com/2014/06/rem...
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We have the coldest winter in over a half century and its just the weather,but,we had an un-seasonably warm Easter weekend and its globull warming.[/QUOTE]

Nah.....its all AGW.
Been asked & answered many times.
AGW energy enhanced warm fronts have been driven ever stronger into the the North Pole for 50+ years, simultaneously driving Arctic cold to the south. Climate is so out of whack on the millions of square kilometers around the North Pole, that this winter for 140 days, not one day was at or below normal temperatures, as temperatures over millions of those square kilometers have leaped up & down. With such heat & energy pouring into the NP, the Arctic cold is forced down on the U.S.
I'm glad that sleazy slimy steenking toxic topix AGW denier liars don't know science & mathematics so I can keep posting the science that sleazy slimy steenking toxic topix AGW denier liars keep denying.

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Rats leaving the sinking ship.....this is from a Republicant pollster:
“There is a middle way where we can talk about this,” said GOP pollster Alex Lundry of TargetPoint Consulting.“Republicans are a lot more open to this than you might think.”
"He recently completed a poll on energy issues for Citizens for Responsible Energy Solutions that found 51 percent of Republicans believe climate change is happening, will happen shortly or will occur in their lifetime. Just 24 percent deny it. The shift is particularly pronounced among younger party members."
Remaining climate believers...that guy cracks me up.
when your crowd always makes climate change a political debate....that tells me climate change is all politics. especially given one failed model after the other.

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litesong wrote:
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so I can keep posting the science that sleazy slimy steenking toxic topix AGW denier liars keep denying.
is this what you call science, bird killer?

reboot, son, before you get another one up the rear.
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Read it and weep.
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Greenhouse gases comprise less than 1 percent of the earth’s atmosphere; carbon dioxide is less than 4 percent of greenhouse gases; 96 percent of CO2 in the atmosphere was put there by Mother Nature.
Compared to variations in solar radiation and other natural forces, the effect of greenhouse gases on climate is trivial.
“There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate,” says a petition signed by more than 31,000 American scientists in climate-related disciplines.
Great post. Finally, someone putting forth some facts.

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The Chamber is the biggest climate alarmist of them all! They thought acid rain regulations would destroy the country. What we got was clean rain.[URL deleted]
Acid rain is an environmental problem but CO2 isn't. There's no evidence man can mitigate or change global climate.
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I don't think we need to worry much about global warming. We should not upset over economy now that businesses are growing. http://ow.ly/xEqae

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Great post. Finally, someone putting forth some facts.
How stupid you are.

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Somewhere in your head that comment made sense, but please don't try to explain it... I've seen enough how you 'think' to know the ensuing minutia will only be producing more of the evil CO2 (as you say) in a feeble attempt for you to save face, and while that 'crisis' level is CO2 is real (as you claim), your explanation will only be more gibberish.
Oh... and btw... hypocrite.
Your delusions are funny that way. They persist, even thrive, in the face of contradictory reality.
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How stupid you are.
We deal with facts and science. Not pejoratives.
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But Obama may be fighting a battle that ended nearly 18 years ago, as global temperatures leveled off in the late 1990s, according to RSS satellite data. Such data shows that there has been no warming since August 1996 — more than 17 years and 9 months ago.

“The 212 months without global warming represents more than half the 423-month satellite data record, which began in January 1979,” wrote UK politician and journalist Christopher Monckton, the third Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, last month.

“No one now in high school has lived through global warming,” Monckton wrote, adding that there has been no warming for more than half the 423-month satellite record.

“Recent extreme weather cannot be blamed on global warming, because there has not been any global warming. It is as simple as that,” Monckton added, bashing a claim often made by environmentalists and politicians that a warming world has made weather worse.

The long lull in global warming was first reported by media outlets during 2013. Media outlets have said there has been no warming since 1998, two years later than what Monckton argues.

The Economist reported in March 2013 that “temperatures have not really risen over the past ten years” and that “[o]ver the past 15 years air temperatures at the Earth’s surface have been flat.”

“Since 1998, there has been an unexplained ‘standstill’ in the heating of the Earth’s atmosphere,” BBC News reported in June 2013.

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Professor Emeritus Fellow wrote:
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We deal with facts and science. Not pejoratives.
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But Obama may be fighting a battle that ended nearly 18 years ago, as global temperatures leveled off in the late 1990s, according to RSS satellite data. Such data shows that there has been no warming since August 1996 — more than 17 years and 9 months ago.
“The 212 months without global warming represents more than half the 423-month satellite data record, which began in January 1979,” wrote UK politician and journalist Christopher Monckton, the third Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, last month.
“No one now in high school has lived through global warming,” Monckton wrote, adding that there has been no warming for more than half the 423-month satellite record.
“Recent extreme weather cannot be blamed on global warming, because there has not been any global warming. It is as simple as that,” Monckton added, bashing a claim often made by environmentalists and politicians that a warming world has made weather worse.
The long lull in global warming was first reported by media outlets during 2013. Media outlets have said there has been no warming since 1998, two years later than what Monckton argues.
The Economist reported in March 2013 that “temperatures have not really risen over the past ten years” and that “[o]ver the past 15 years air temperatures at the Earth’s surface have been flat.”
“Since 1998, there has been an unexplained ‘standstill’ in the heating of the Earth’s atmosphere,” BBC News reported in June 2013.
Mockton is disingenuous. The data starts with a very strong El Nino and includes a strong La Nina in the later period. However it is academic to note that even with a period of rather quiet El Nino the temperature has remained quite warm (Warmest decade since temperatures have been recorded). And while the atmospheric temperature has not statistically warmed(Don't forget the oceans!), readings are a little higher and considering the ENSO, it probably should have significantly cooled. We will see how this plays out if we enter another phase of strong El Nino. The last that I saw was that scientists are predicting a strong (super) El Nino later this year with an 80% confidence so we may get a chance to see what happens.

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alfy muffed sigh-ants wrote:
Greenhouse gases comprise less than 1 percent of the earth’s atmosphere; carbon dioxide is less than 4 percent of greenhouse gases;
It is GHGs that retard infra-red energy from returning to space & keep Earth warm enough for life. With increases in man-made non-phase change, infra-red energy absorbing GHGs, life must now shift its ability to deal with excess energy. Man-made non-phase change, infra-red energy absorbing GHGs control phase change, infra-red energy absorbing water vapor.

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