Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

There are 20 comments on the Dec 14, 2008, Newsday story titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Newsday.

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#46469 May 6, 2014
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
You would have to be talkin' a period of 50,000-100,000 years.
People really fear in Tornado Alley for good reason.
that was kind of my point. 50-100k years is very short in terms of the planets existence.

i lived in tornado alley for a good portion of my life, but none of the people i knew lived in fear.

at least one tornado hits washington on average per year.
the guy at the end of this video exemplifies the hysteria of alarmists!
http://www.ksdk.com/video/2707987118001/1/Rar...

“fairtax.org”

Since: Dec 08

gauley bridge wv

#46470 May 6, 2014
The new name for climate change is GLOBAL CLIMATE DISRUPTION!!!!
Climate Change Scientist

Los Angeles, CA

#46471 May 6, 2014
Climate change will now be known as CLIMATE REACTION.

Change implied no man made source.

Reaction is response to man made catalysts.

Got it? CLIMATE REACTION.

Forget global warming. Forget climate change.

It's CR from now on. Stop CR!

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#46472 May 6, 2014
Climate Change Scientist wrote:
Climate change will now be known as CLIMATE REACTION.
Change implied no man made source.
Reaction is response to man made catalysts.
Got it? CLIMATE REACTION.
Forget global warming. Forget climate change.
It's CR from now on. Stop CR!
agreed......this forum has plenty of reactionary's sitting on the porch.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#46474 May 6, 2014
Mothra wrote:
One way adjustments: The Latest Alteration to the U.S. Climate Record
On Thursday, March 13, 2014, the U.S. National Climactic Data Center switched to gridded GHCN-D data sets it uses to report long term temperature trends – with a resulting dramatic change in the official U.S. climate record. As seems to always happen when somebody modifies the temperature record, the new version of the record shows a significantly stronger warming trend than the unmodified or, in this case, discarded version.
The new dataset, called “nClimDiv,” shows the per decade warming trend from 1895 through 2012 for the contiguous United States to be 0.135 degrees Fahrenheit. The formerly used dataset, called “Drd964x,” shows the per decade warming trend over the same period to be substantially less – only 0.088 degrees. Which is closer to the truth?
As will be illustrated below in the side by side comparison graphs, the increase in the warming trend in the new data set is largely the consequence of significantly lowering the temperature record in the earlier part of the century, thereby creating a greater “warming” trend.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/29/one-way...

For the Drd964x dataset, each divisional value from 1931-2013 is simply the arithmetic average of the station data within it, a computational practice that results in a bias when a division is spatially undersampled in a month (e.g., because some stations did not report) or is climatologically inhomogeneous in general (e.g., due to large variations in topography).
For the Drd964x dataset, all divisional values before 1931 stem from state averages published by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) rather than from actual station observations, producing an artificial discontinuity in both the mean and variance for 1895-1930 (Guttman and Quayle, 1996).
In the Drd964x dataset, many divisions experienced a systematic change in average station location and elevation during the 20th Century, resulting in spurious historical trends in some regions (Keim et al., 2003; Keim et al., 2005; Allard et al., 2009).
Finally, none of the Drd964x dataset station-based temperature records contain adjustments for historical changes in observation time, station location, or temperature instrumentation, inhomogeneities which further bias temporal trends (Peterson et al., 1998).

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/monitoring-reference...

Were the data more accurate for *not* adjusting for changes in observation time, station location, or temperature instrumentation?
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#46475 May 6, 2014
Cont'd

The first (and most straightforward) improvement to the nClimDiv dataset involves updating the underlying network of stations, which now includes additional station records and contemporary bias adjustments (i.e., those used in the U.S. Historical Climatology Network version 2; Menne et al., 2009).

The second (and far more extensive) improvement is to the computational methodology, which now addresses topographic and network variability via climatologically aided interpolation (Willmott and Robeson, 1995). The outcome of these improvements is a new divisional dataset that maintains the strengths of its predecessor while providing more robust estimates of areal averages and long-term trends.

The NCDC's Climate Monitoring Branch transitioned from the Drd964x dataset to the more modern the nClimDiv dataset in early 2014. While this transition did not disrupt the current product stream, some variances in temperature and precipitation values may be observed throughout the data record. For example, in general, climate divisions with extensive topography above the average station elevation will be reflected as cooler climatology. An assessment of the major impacts of this transition can be found in Fenimore, et. al, 2011.

P.S... WILL provide more accurate results.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#46476 May 6, 2014
From NYT

I'd be dumping those insurance stocks if I were you muddleman.

"The effects of human-induced climate change are being felt in every corner of the United States, scientists reported Tuesday, with water growing scarcer in dry regions, torrential rains increasing in wet regions, heat waves becoming more common and more severe, wildfires growing worse, and forests dying under assault from heat-loving insects.

Such sweeping changes have been caused by an average warming of less than two degrees Fahrenheit over most land areas of the country in the past century, the scientists found. If greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide and methane continue to escalate at a rapid pace, they said, the warming could conceivably exceed 10 degrees by the end of this century."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/07/science/ear...

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#46477 May 6, 2014
You also might like to read the comments to that same article above, seems you deniers are becoming more & more isolated by the day. Not much support for those flat earthers any more.

“Amor patriae.”

Since: Feb 08

Eastern Oregon

#46478 May 6, 2014
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
"mudbuilder" lets its ego think it knows Earth history, astronomy & science better than AGW scientists with 10-40 years more training, study & work in science & mathematics. The less "mudbuilder" knows, the more "mudbuilder" thinks it knows....... Dunning–Kruger effect.
Ahhh. Did the little "litesong" (that's so cute and....esoteric) get his feelings hurt? I do know geologic history and more importantly, I know democrat/liberal history. What you nitwits are preaching is essentially this: If you don't want us to blame you for the destruction of every living thing on this planet, whether is happens or not, vote Democrat and actively advocate for higher taxes, crippling restrictions and punishing regulations." Not me bucko.

“Amor patriae.”

Since: Feb 08

Eastern Oregon

#46479 May 6, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
You also might like to read the comments to that same article above, seems you deniers are becoming more & more isolated by the day. Not much support for those flat earthers any more.
LOL! Sorry pal. The reverse is true. Statements like yours indicate you need to mingle with real people more often. Living a cloistered existence with like minded zealots stunts your objectivity.
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#46480 May 6, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
For the Drd964x dataset, each divisional value from 1931-2013 is simply the arithmetic average of the station data within it, a computational practice that results in a bias when a division is spatially undersampled in a month (e.g., because some stations did not report) or is climatologically inhomogeneous in general (e.g., due to large variations in topography).
For the Drd964x dataset, all divisional values before 1931 stem from state averages published by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) rather than from actual station observations, producing an artificial discontinuity in both the mean and variance for 1895-1930 (Guttman and Quayle, 1996).
In the Drd964x dataset, many divisions experienced a systematic change in average station location and elevation during the 20th Century, resulting in spurious historical trends in some regions (Keim et al., 2003; Keim et al., 2005; Allard et al., 2009).
Finally, none of the Drd964x dataset station-based temperature records contain adjustments for historical changes in observation time, station location, or temperature instrumentation, inhomogeneities which further bias temporal trends (Peterson et al., 1998).
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/monitoring-reference...
Were the data more accurate for *not* adjusting for changes in observation time, station location, or temperature instrumentation?
"As will be illustrated below in the side by side comparison graphs, the increase in the warming trend in the new data set is largely the consequence of significantly lowering the temperature record in the earlier part of the century, thereby creating a greater “warming” trend."

Rationalize all you want... the end result is that the "trend" is more severe... just in time for Obama to travel the country to trump up the "crisis".
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#46481 May 6, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
Cont'd
Why bother? Everyone knows you're a global warming hypocrite.
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#46482 May 6, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
From NYT
I'd be dumping those insurance stocks if I were you muddleman.
"The effects of human-induced climate change are being felt in every corner of the United States, scientists reported Tuesday, with water growing scarcer in dry regions, torrential rains increasing in wet regions, heat waves becoming more common and more severe, wildfires growing worse, and forests dying under assault from heat-loving insects.
Such sweeping changes have been caused by an average warming of less than two degrees Fahrenheit over most land areas of the country in the past century, the scientists found. If greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide and methane continue to escalate at a rapid pace, they said, the warming could conceivably exceed 10 degrees by the end of this century."
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/07/science/ear...
Translation: The sky is falling harder and faster than we previously thought.... film at 11.

SQUAWK!!!
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#46483 May 6, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
You also might like to read the comments to that same article above, seems you deniers are becoming more & more isolated by the day. Not much support for those flat earthers any more.
Re: the comments....

SQUAWK!!! X100
Truth Facts

Chillicothe, OH

#46484 May 6, 2014
Plain Jane wrote:
For the non-readers here, global warming causes extreme weather. It gets hotter in some places and much colder in others. The Gulf stream is slowing due to the cold fresh water being dumped by glacier melt and we are losing it's warming effects on the eastern seaboard of the US and the west coasts of Britain and Europe. Scoff all you like. You are only showing your complete lack of literacy on the issue.
Here's one from your hero:
Make the lie big
Make it simple
Keep saying it
and eventually they'll believe it
ADOLPH HITLER
Truth Facts

Chillicothe, OH

#46489 May 6, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
You also might like to read the comments to that same article above, seems you deniers are becoming more & more isolated by the day. Not much support for those flat earthers any more.
Lets see:
Global cooling
Clobal warming
Climate change
Climate disruption
You clowns are losing supporters daily.The desperation is evident and clear,Of course having the liar n chief out there trying to scare people doesn't work anymore because he has no credibility at all!
Can you please settle on one name to call the junk science?That might give you a little credibility but then again,PROBABLY NOT!!!!!!!!!!
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#46490 May 6, 2014
What's in a name when

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-2...

says: Climate change is having significant financial, ecological and human health impacts across the US, according to a new report.

The third National Climate Assessment, released by the White House, says the number and strength of extreme weather events have increased over the past 50 years.

Infrastructure is being damaged by sea level rise, downpours and extreme heat.

The report says these impacts are likely to worsen in the coming decades.

Coming hot on the heels of the trio of reports from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the assessment re-iterates the finding that climate change is real, and "driven primarily by human activity".
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#46491 May 6, 2014
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
Why bother? Everyone knows you're a global warming hypocrite.
Well, science deniers like you are just like cigarette smokers.. unaware of reality in your smoke-filled skulls..

When will you quit your bad habit???

BBC.com .. Climate change is having significant financial, ecological and human health impacts across the US, according to a new report.

The third National Climate Assessment, released by the White House, says the number and strength of extreme weather events have increased over the past 50 years.

Infrastructure is being damaged by sea level rise, downpours and extreme heat.

The report says these impacts are likely to worsen in the coming decades.

Coming hot on the heels of the trio of reports from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the assessment re-iterates the finding that climate change is real, and "driven primarily by human activity".
May Day

Fullerton, CA

#46492 May 6, 2014
Thing in California must not be too bad. Despite the drought, California Democrats increasingly are approving higher density projects in San Francisco and Los Angeles and other major cities.

Water usage for a parcel is being multiplied by a factor of 40 in some cases. LA is packing in more and more people into drought areas. They must not be too concerned.

They are tearing down 2 houses and replacing it with 70 unit apartment buildings with 140 showers and over 200 people living there.
Truth Facts

Chillicothe, OH

#46493 May 6, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Well, science deniers like you are just like cigarette smokers.. unaware of reality in your smoke-filled skulls..
When will you quit your bad habit???
BBC.com .. Climate change is having significant financial, ecological and human health impacts across the US, according to a new report.
The third National Climate Assessment, released by the White House, says the number and strength of extreme weather events have increased over the past 50 years.
Infrastructure is being damaged by sea level rise, downpours and extreme heat.
The report says these impacts are likely to worsen in the coming decades.
Coming hot on the heels of the trio of reports from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the assessment re-iterates the finding that climate change is real, and "driven primarily by human activity".
UN? When are you nutjobs going to stop listening to the most corrupt organization in the world?

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