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When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.
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flack wrote:
<quoted text> Yes and when the Yellowstone caldera erupts it won't matter spit. Science and free market ideas will solve the problem long before the government. 5Kw vertical wind turbines for home and business use along with much improve solar panels will be most of the answer. The big wind and solar farms are dinosaurs that will go the way of the 8-track. Hydrogen fuel cell and helium-3 fusion reactors are the future. My two favorites.
You may be right, but as I see it, most folks don't want to be bothered with involvement with personal energy sources. They are willing for someone else to provide them with their needs and don't want to get their hands dirty so to speak.

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Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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You may be right, but as I see it, most folks don't want to be bothered with involvement with personal energy sources. They are willing for someone else to provide them with their needs and don't want to get their hands dirty so to speak.
It will become a very real option once the electricity rates 'necessarily skyrocket' in the next few years.
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Teddy R wrote:
<quoted text>Fracking a boon? Yes, it does seem fracking is curiously winning over a slowly-growing fan base among the Greenies. Sure, it's producing more effective progress in carbon reduction than the Euro-socialist carbon tax-and-trade schemes ... but at the cost of what other, more immediate and perhaps permanent, environmental damage? And it's really only carbon Methadone treatment - extending society's addiction to carbon-based fossil fuels ... It seems this whole "battle" you refer to isn't actually a righteous crusade to avert planet-wide environmental catastrophe for you, but merely the latest trendy flag of convenience under which you can tilt against your favorite windmill - EEEEeevul Big Ooooooiiilllll!!!
Correctamundo, CH4 is still carbon, and the methadone analogy is apt. However, leaving coal for gas that pollutes less than half as much is a huge step; a temporary bridge that gets us to solar and other solutions in decades ahead. With any luck, China and other Asian coal addicts will follow suit...especially if we refuse to ship them the vast new portions of Wyoming public lands that they want from us.

As for eeevul big oil, it wasn't always thus, and some companies such as Statoil, Shell and Conoco are actually headed in the right direction. However, most of the industry is national governments of sweet, altruistic nations like Iran, Russia, Turkmenistan, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria and Venezuela. For someone complaining about "socialist-statists" , you choose odd bedfellows.

Thanks for the Thanksgiving wishes, by the way. Hope yours was as fun as mine.
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Yes and when the Yellowstone caldera erupts it won't matter spit. Science and free market ideas will solve the problem long before the government. 5Kw vertical wind turbines for home and business use along with much improve solar panels will be most of the answer. The big wind and solar farms are dinosaurs that will go the way of the 8-track. Hydrogen fuel cell and helium-3 fusion reactors are the future. My two favorites.
Can't do nuthin 'bout Yellowstone,'cept enjoy it, till it explodes(been there 4 times). You got info that it'll blow in the next 50 years, 100 years, 500 years? Percentage-wise, its down the road further than AGW effects.

As for 'personal' wind mills..... they can't get a quarter of the efficiency, have less longevity, higher maintenance, need more insurance & kill more birds per kilowatt-hr than tall wind turbine farms. Maybe community wind turbines might work. But even they will need tech expertise the general community doesn't have, since wind turbine tech is leap-frogging forward.

Meanwhile our Pacific Northwest wind turbines have integrated very well with our hydro-electric dams.
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Can't do nuthin 'bout Yellowstone,'cept enjoy it, till it explodes(been there 4 times). You got info that it'll blow in the next 50 years, 100 years, 500 years? Percentage-wise, its down the road further than AGW effects.
As for 'personal' wind mills..... they can't get a quarter of the efficiency, have less longevity, higher maintenance, need more insurance & kill more birds per kilowatt-hr than tall wind turbine farms. Maybe community wind turbines might work. But even they will need tech expertise the general community doesn't have, since wind turbine tech is leap-frogging forward.
Meanwhile our Pacific Northwest wind turbines have integrated very well with our hydro-electric dams.
Obama care will cover it.

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Can't do nuthin 'bout Yellowstone,'cept enjoy it, till it explodes(been there 4 times). You got info that it'll blow in the next 50 years, 100 years, 500 years? Percentage-wise, its down the road further than AGW effects.
As for 'personal' wind mills..... they can't get a quarter of the efficiency, have less longevity, higher maintenance, need more insurance & kill more birds per kilowatt-hr than tall wind turbine farms. Maybe community wind turbines might work. But even they will need tech expertise the general community doesn't have, since wind turbine tech is leap-frogging forward.
Meanwhile our Pacific Northwest wind turbines have integrated very well with our hydro-electric dams.
The ones I'm talking about are about the size of a 55 gallon drum, are 5Kw, and work well in a 10mph wind. 4 of them will power my house quite well. Only zoning is stopping me. I'm on the coast near Norfolk Va. we get 10 mph winds or more every day.

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litesong wrote:
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Can't do nuthin 'bout Yellowstone,'cept enjoy it, till it explodes(been there 4 times). You got info that it'll blow in the next 50 years, 100 years, 500 years? Percentage-wise, its down the road further than AGW effects.
As for 'personal' wind mills..... they can't get a quarter of the efficiency, have less longevity, higher maintenance, need more insurance & kill more birds per kilowatt-hr than tall wind turbine farms. Maybe community wind turbines might work. But even they will need tech expertise the general community doesn't have, since wind turbine tech is leap-frogging forward.
Meanwhile our Pacific Northwest wind turbines have integrated very well with our hydro-electric dams.
I have solar security lights all around the property with motion detectors. Only the ones detecting motion turn on. Easier to pinpoint where and what.
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Correctamundo, CH4 is still carbon, and the methadone analogy is apt. However, leaving coal for gas that pollutes less than half as much is a huge step; a temporary bridge that gets us to solar and other solutions in decades ahead. With any luck, China and other Asian coal addicts will follow suit...especially if we refuse to ship them the vast new portions of Wyoming public lands that they want from us.
Yep - technology. Always the refutation of Malthus, and always will be.

But we'll shift away from coal and into solar (or more likely other, for base load) energy sources as and when economics dictate.

China doesn't need Powder River Basin coal - thay have a century's worth of their own soft coal they can - and will - strip-mine with slave labor and no environmental protections, at far, far lower cost.

What China does need, like the Japanese did some decades ago, is to find ways of giving us back the trillions of US foreign exchange dollars they've been hoarding for decades so we can keep buying Chinese-manufactured shite from them. The Japanese gave us our dollars back by losing their kimonos in all sorts of foolish deals - buying movie studios, Hawaiian real estate, golf courses, etc. at ridiculously inflated prices. So, sure - the Chinese may do much the same, buying out Ted Turner's buffalo ranch and mineral rights in US public lands at far above economic prices, etc. But Wyoming coal will never be cost-competitive with their own product, don't worry.
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As for eeevul big oil, it wasn't always thus, and some companies such as Statoil, Shell and Conoco are actually headed in the right direction. However, most of the industry is national governments of sweet, altruistic nations like Iran, Russia, Turkmenistan, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria and Venezuela. For someone complaining about "socialist-statists" , you choose odd bedfellows.
Touche. And Qatar and Kuwait and UAE and Iraq and Libya and ...

These nationalized oil cos. far out-strip private outfits like Exxon-Mobil in size and power, agree - though they have major holdings in many of these big State oil producers and their ventures.
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Thanks for the Thanksgiving wishes, by the way. Hope yours was as fun as mine.
You're welcome - it was!
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Can't do nuthin 'bout Yellowstone,'cept enjoy it, till it explodes(been there 4 times). You got info that it'll blow in the next 50 years, 100 years, 500 years?
Place your bet:

http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/activity/status.php...

It does look like the Mayans may have been off by a few years ...

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<quoted text> The ones I'm talking about are about the size of a 55 gallon drum, are 5Kw, and work well in a 10mph wind. 4 of them will power my house quite well. Only zoning is stopping me. I'm on the coast near Norfolk Va. we get 10 mph winds or more every day.
Interesting. Could you give us a link for the 5Kw turbines for residential application you reference? Still one must invest in storage devices,(Or depend upon the grid when the wind does not blow. If one is able to "sell" to the grid perhaps, but must still depend upon that grid.). If storage is necessary, then one must invest in storage devices and inverters or DC appliances.

I still think that most would rather someone else provide them with their power as many do not have the ability to make that kind of investment as well as many do not have the expertise to maintain such a system.
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This is the way of the future:

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf33.html

Hyperion Gen4 or one of the competing FNRs.

Decentralized electric power generation, minimum transmission losses, local hydrogen fuel generation, and district heating in every neighborhood.

All carbon-free. Closed-cycle nuclear fuel cycle.

It doesn't get any better for anyone living and working below low earth orbit ...
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Yep - technology. Always the refutation of Malthus, and always will be.
But we'll shift away from coal and into solar (or more likely other, for base load) energy sources as and when economics dictate.
China doesn't need Powder River Basin coal - thay have a century's worth of their own soft coal they can - and will - strip-mine with slave labor and no environmental protections, at far, far lower cost.
Oh, China wants Powder River Basin coal. They'd like very much to replace their low-burning lignite with PRB bituminous. Peabody and Australia's Ambre are working hard to accommodate them, driving sixty giant coal trains a day through my city to six new coal superports they'd like to build on the Northwest Coast, which would increase overall coal exports to East Asia by half. If this monster project gains traction, it will virtually ensure a significant increase in disastrous climate warming.

http://grist.org/coal/fighting-coal-export-te...
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So if china burns a better coal than the pollutants should be less.
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...... driving sixty giant coal trains a day through my city to six new coal superports they'd like to build on the Northwest Coast.....
The coal would funnel along tracks that are often washed out from water drenched western Washington hill slides bordering the Salish Sea(Puget Sound). Often, trains end up in the Salish Sea. Tracks have been washed out twice in a two day period. Coal in the Salish Sea will make good PR for coal companies, who love pollution.

For an out-of-state company, they will dominate & hinder further development of local business needing rail transportation in the Northeast portion of the Salish Sea.

Whatever communist chinese(always small letters) burn, pollution returns to the western U.S. across the Pacific Ocean. Coupled with both coal & diesel train pollution while transporting coal to chinese communists(always small letters), citizens in the Pacific Northwest will get double or triple shots of increased lung disease.
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Smoking increased lung disease and people continue to smoke.Diesel pollution by our trains and autos while transporting goods and people increased.Sixty percent of our power generation comes from coal fired power plants.Fracking is catching our drinking water on fire.So whats your next move?

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PHD wrote:
Smoking increased lung disease and people continue to smoke.Diesel pollution by our trains and autos while transporting goods and people increased.Sixty percent of our power generation comes from coal fired power plants.Fracking is catching our drinking water on fire.So whats your next move?
The best move is to weigh and balance the benefits with the problems. There is more than monetary profit involved.
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The best move is to weigh and balance the benefits with the problems. There is more than monetary profit involved.
Tell that to the experts. They get paid to make errors. So what are the benefits of pollution?
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As many of us now know, a vast amount of airplanes are currently spraying most of the Earth’s population ...(rest of delusional chemtrails conspiracy claptrap snipped)
Ye gods, man - get back on your meds and seek professional care immediately.

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Government Documents Link Global Warming to Advanced Military Climate Modification Technology
http://theintelhub.com/2012/11/29/government-...
Of course all those government folks who spray all that stuff live in a isolation bubble so they won't get sick.
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These are the same people that sprayed DDT and killed many of our feathered friends. And not to mention all the humans that developed cancer from that harmless bug spray.

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