Drug testing for poor opposed

Nov 25, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: MySanAntonio.com

As top state leaders push to drug test people seeking jobless benefits and financial assistance for needy families, critics suggest that the initiative would single out the powerless and hurt children when aid is lost.

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Harley

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This is a law that should be passed and without any BS such as it effecting the poor. I am personally tired of caring for these couch potstoes and this will either get them up off their rears and they get a job or they starve as well as they get no more drugs!
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I don't agree with you. I am not a drug user and have never been, nor have I ever received food stamps. However, having a relative that keeps foster children, I have seen the harm done to these children. It is not the children's fault if their parents use drugs. I have heard of one of the children telling how he went hungry when there was not enough food so his younger siblings would not be crying for more. Also, are you aware that some across the counter drugs used for treating illnesses will show up as drugs in the system?

It is strange that some of the people that are insisting that these women have children when they are not ready to be parents are also the same people that are crying about the money being spent on these children. Hey, we can't have it both ways. If they want to insure more children are born then accept the consequences. When someone sticks their nose in someone else's business--hey the outcome should then be their business also.

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El Paso, TX

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Test everyone on the public dole. As the person above mentioned the kids went hungry when the parents spent the money on drugs instead of food. So take the kids, stop the money to the parents and provide it to the foster care people to support the kids.
As to the typical plug for abortion sorry but that can also be taken care of. On welfare, can not support your kids, then give the woman an abortion and at the same time tie the tubes, if the father can be id'd then snip him as well.
I have zero sympathy for people that just keep droping kids when they know they have no business doing so.

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Dole money is not enough to sustain a drug addiction. At least with food stamps & being in a welfare benefit system if there are other ppl (or children) involved it goes some small way to ensuring they don't go totally without food/necessities. Taking dole away from addicts is only going to increase their illegal activities to make up the monitary shortfall
Those who aren't using drugs are going to be further humiliated bcuz with testing goes the implied assumption.....I know in many companies in the US there is routine testing but that is for everyone & nobody seriously expects positive results.....whereas with this the implication is you're unemployed so you are most likely a druggie
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It would appear that some 'americans' are more than willing to surrender the fourth amendment rights of others as long as they aren't affected! Hitler and Stalin would have loved drug testing supporters!
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The problem with this idea is that it is actually just another way to put millions of taxpayer dollars into the pockets of Rick Perry's buddies.

I have no problem with drug-testing able-bodied applicants for welfare. People who ask for money they don't earn give up some rights.

However, when this has been done in other states, it costs a fortune to do the testing and only about 2% of those tested were even questionable.

Anybody who think this is a good idea might recall that Rick Perry spent $12 MILLION OF TAXPAYERS' DOLLARS to find 4, count '3m, FOUR, questionable voter registrations, and those could have been typographical errors instead of fraud.

In Texas, it's almost always about who gets the money, instead of about public good.

I'd be willing to bet quite a lot that the testing would cost a lot more than the savings on welfare payments.

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Jan 9, 2013
 
A guy living the next house to us he died from drugs :( from his mother I know it is very important to protect the body with vitamins, supplements and so on. I may give you the site where I make my orders but let you know that the delivery time depends on where you live I mean you may wait a bit more than 20 days http://health-products-market.com/
good luck to all!
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It doesn't matter either way. The money/food stamps given to these families isn't spent on the children anyways. The food stamps are sold for drug money instead of being used to buy food for these kids!
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Jan 9, 2013
 
um wrote:
It doesn't matter either way. The money/food stamps given to these families isn't spent on the children anyways. The food stamps are sold for drug money instead of being used to buy food for these kids!
No, not true. Maybe in some cases, but there are many needy families that do need and use these food stamps.
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These are People wrote:
<quoted text>No, not true. Maybe in some cases, but there are many needy families that do need and use these food stamps.
Yea but those families aren't the ones using drugs or drinking beer and partying every weekend. Those families aren't the problem. I do agree that it's not the children's fault if their parents do drugs and they shouldn't be penalized because of it, but unfortunately whether we give their parents government assistance or not the children still don't benefit because their parents will just use it to buy EVEN MORE drugs and/or alcohol, instead of using it to give the kids what they need.
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Jan 10, 2013
 
Um, you state the money given to these families is not spent on the children. I still say there are a few cases where it is not--but there are many cases where it is. Don't judge all by the actions of a few.

Also, do you know that once a person has been charged with drugs, sometimes years ago, they are still denied benefits for their children. I also do not believe that a person should pay for their wrong doings for the rest of their lives. It is not only the parent that is suffering but the children they have had as well.

What we should be doing is doing more to try and prevent drug use. By the way, this has proven to be far less costly than prison which denies a person food aid, a decent job, etc after serving their sentence. In other words, let's try and produce more productive citizens than to produce a felon who will cost us more in the long run.

Lastly, no I am not a drug user and have never been.
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These are People wrote:
Um, you state the money given to these families is not spent on the children. I still say there are a few cases where it is not--but there are many cases where it is. Don't judge all by the actions of a few.

Also, do you know that once a person has been charged with drugs, sometimes years ago, they are still denied benefits for their children. I also do not believe that a person should pay for their wrong doings for the rest of their lives. It is not only the parent that is suffering but the children they have had as well.

What we should be doing is doing more to try and prevent drug use. By the way, this has proven to be far less costly than prison which denies a person food aid, a decent job, etc after serving their sentence. In other words, let's try and produce more productive citizens than to produce a felon who will cost us more in the long run.

Lastly, no I am not a drug user and have never been.
Again, most people who currently use drugs and get food stamps do not use the money to feed their habbit rather to feed their children. Also, this could help prevent drug use because the VERY FEW who do drugs and still use the foods stamps on their children might care enough about the kids to quit using as not to risk losing their benefits.

I agree that because mistakes were made in the past doesn't mean you should suffer for it long term but it does happen. Maybe drug testing will help to give those who have changed their ways these government benefits back by proving they aren't using drugs.
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Will it give there benefits back? I am sorry I don't believe it will because as a society we are too quick to want to punish others for their mistakes. I often wonder is it because we have become so bad ourselves that we have to have others to look down on before we can feel good about ourselves.

You may feel, that it will give benefits back, but those of us that have studied more about the war on drugs, do not feel it will reward the ones that are wanting to do better.

If you are interested, do some web search review on the subject. Also, see how many people we are locking away and that 60 percent are those that have not harmed another. As I stated previously working to solve the drug problem would save us more money. Study it some more and I believe you will agree.
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Bring back the WPA, no work no aid!
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These are People wrote:
Will it give there benefits back? I am sorry I don't believe it will because as a society we are too quick to want to punish others for their mistakes. I often wonder is it because we have become so bad ourselves that we have to have others to look down on before we can feel good about ourselves.

You may feel, that it will give benefits back, but those of us that have studied more about the war on drugs, do not feel it will reward the ones that are wanting to do better.

If you are interested, do some web search review on the subject. Also, see how many people we are locking away and that 60 percent are those that have not harmed another. As I stated previously working to solve the drug problem would save us more money. Study it some more and I believe you will agree.
I do not use not like drugs or alcohol but I do sometimes think that MAYBE if marijuana was legalized we would be better off. Law enforcement could focus and spend more time/engery on bigger things/issues like tapes and murders on finding the people who actually harm others rather than chasing down buckle and dime dealers. I also didn't mean to say it WOULD give benefits back I was just saying how if implemented the drug testing could possibly be used to decide who could get them back by showing they had cleaned up their act, but you are right that is probably not going to happen. Basically, I feel that if a person has enough extra cash that they would spend it on beer and drugs they should have enough to feed their children. I know beer is not against the law but if I couldn't provide my child with the absolute basics (food, water, and shelter) no way in hell would I be spending money on beer!! I'm sure there are people out there who would enjoy a nice cold beer but don't because they know their child has needs that have to bet met first, so I don't think someone who relies on government assistance to support their family should be able to either
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Jan 10, 2013
 
Um, I do see we agree on some points. I am also not a user of drugs, alcohol, or tobacco. I am also not a felon, or ever come close to being arrested. My only ticket was a minor traffic ticket at the age of 16 (a life time ago).

I have never had to rely on public assistance. However, I do have feeling for those that do. I just don't think it is right to hold it against someone for what they did in the past when they are doing all they can to support their families now. I think it would be great if they did let a person have a second chance if they prooved to no longer doing drugs--but I just don't see it happening either.

Thanks for your response and for your politeness and reasonableness in your reply.
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cbc wrote:
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Again, most people who currently use drugs and get food stamps do not use the money to feed their habbit rather to feed their children. Also, this could help prevent drug use because the VERY FEW who do drugs and still use the foods stamps on their children might care enough about the kids to quit using as not to risk losing their benefits.
I agree that because mistakes were made in the past doesn't mean you should suffer for it long term but it does happen. Maybe drug testing will help to give those who have changed their ways these government benefits back by proving they aren't using drugs.
"Again, most people who currently use drugs and get food stamps do not use the money to feed their habbit rather to feed their children" Please PROVE this statement. But even if the statement were true, then they don't need public assistence, because if they have money to buy liquor, street drugs, and cigarettes, they have the money to feed their kids FIRST. Aid to Dependant Children isn't for feeding and housing someones kids, so their parent(s) can drink, drug, ho around, have 500 cable channels, a new cell phone every six-months, and a 60" LCD hanging on a rat infested wall. Don't drug test, no money. Fail drug test, no money. Don't shelter and feed kids, go to jail, kids go to foster parents. I have empathy for the children of these fools and believe they should be taken care of first and foremost. The scum they are born to deserve nothing. Yes, I know that everyoone on some form of welfare isn't like that, but there are at least 25 million professional welfare kings and queens.
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Why should hard working people who are footing the bill to help people who NEED it have to take and pass drug tests as a condition of employment, yet those accepting their money resent doing so??
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paddyomalley wrote:
<quoted text>"Again, most people who currently use drugs and get food stamps do not use the money to feed their habbit rather to feed their children" Please PROVE this statement. But even if the statement were true, then they don't need public assistence, because if they have money to buy liquor, street drugs, and cigarettes, they have the money to feed their kids FIRST. Aid to Dependant Children isn't for feeding and housing someones kids, so their parent(s) can drink, drug, ho around, have 500 cable channels, a new cell phone every six-months, and a 60" LCD hanging on a rat infested wall. Don't drug test, no money. Fail drug test, no money. Don't shelter and feed kids, go to jail, kids go to foster parents. I have empathy for the children of these fools and believe they should be taken care of first and foremost. The scum they are born to deserve nothing. Yes, I know that everyoone on some form of welfare isn't like that, but there are at least 25 million professional welfare kings and queens.
Sorry that was my mistake I typed it backwards I actually meant to say those who currently do drugs and get assistance don't use the money to feed their children they use it to feed their habbit and I completely agree with you there are many hard working people out there who try their best to get their kids what they need and don't qualify for food stamps etc. they pay cash for all that stuff and can't afford cable or satellite things that other people who get assistance have when that $ SHOULD be being spent on getting their kids the basics instead but oh no why do that when they can get it free!? What really makes me mad is when you see those people in the stores paying with their food stamps and see them drive off in a nicer car than most with rims and a sound system. WHAT THE HELL IS THAT CRAP??? Feed your damn kid with that money instead!!
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Jan 11, 2013
 
I also think that if a person is not working they shouldn't be given a damn thing, why should anyone else help you when your not trying to help your self??? There people who are working and trying to provide for their families and barely make a few dollars too much to qualify for any help (Medicaid food stamps etc) and struggle everyday to get their kids what they need. I know a lot of people who have been there and have a hard time paying bills and all of a sudden there is an accident or something their kid need a hospital and because they actually work and try they are denied help. This has to be discouraging and I'm sure it crossed their mind "I should just quit my job so I can get $ and Medicaid " I know I would feel like that. So I think we should help those who are trying to help themselves before we help those to lazy to try and find work. I do however realize that just because someone isn't working or doesn't have a job doesn't mean they aren't trying, but where I'm from that is a VERY small percentage of the unemployed people because there are a lot of jobs around here if your willing to work

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