Black Panther
tyler

United States

#145 Nov 21, 2009
i live on the Cherokee reservation in swain county, NC and i remember when i was a little kid at my grandmas house late one night and heard panther screams. as i grew up i heard stories about panthers in this area. just a few a minutes ago my friend calls me on his way back from Pigeon Forge, TN and tells me he saw a panther run across the road, that he was for sure a bis black cat...i definetly think panthers are real and alot are around the eastern side of the US
Chris

Nashville, NC

#146 Nov 29, 2009
frank wrote:
Chris,
New 150 pound species are not discovered very often, if ever (unless they live in the ocean). Please name the last land-dwelling large species (not subspecies) found.
Also, cougars are caught on trail cams all the time. Why can't we catch a "black panther"? Trail cams are everywhere. Still, nothing.
Trail Cams?? hahaha, i can tell you live near the city. We're down here in the south Frank, we have hundreds of thousands of square miles of vast, undeveloped swamps and forests down here. A lot of which don't even have trails, let alone cameras. haha I still find that funny. I can tell your from the city or suburbs. Maybe you should stick to commenting on sewer rats or whatever it is your familiar with.
GMC

United States

#147 Nov 30, 2009
I live outside of Tellico Plains, TN, on the west side of the cherokee national forest. A few years back during the late summer, my neighbor swore he saw a balck panther cross his field. I had a hard time believing him at that point. Later in the fall,one night, I heard what sounded like a woman screaming. I thought for sure that the cops would show up anytime. The screaming went on for hours. It came from a river bottom very sparesly populated. I later did some research and found that this was what a panther, couger, painter, puma, etc... from this area sounded like. I had to give my neighbor's story some credit at this point. I say that there is a good chance that we have these type of animals in our area. I personally have not seen one, yet!!
Chris

Nashville, NC

#148 Dec 1, 2009
Keep your eyes open GMC. It's a very rare occasion. I've had enough luck to see 3 so far, might never get to see another one. Chances are, you've passed by, possibly even walked withing striking range of one. You'd never know it though. The one thing all these reports have in common...all the cat's are black in color. This tells me, we have an "undiscovered" subspecies of panther down here, in which the melanistic gene has become dominant. Most likely do to the density and darkness of the forests and swamps down here. A normal colored cougar/mountain lion, would easily be spotted in our dark forests...a melanistic, or "black" cougar, well, that's another story :) I estimate the population here in NC, east of Raleigh at a minimum of 200-300 animals.
frank

United States

#149 Dec 4, 2009
Chris,
I live in the Whitetail capital of the world. I do not live in NC where TINY deer exist. It is amusing that you try to tell people what they see. Please, keep telling people that they are seeing big cats where they do not exist. It seems to make you feel important.
Chris

Nashville, NC

#150 Dec 6, 2009
Since when did this discussion involve whitetails? I see 145 posts here, most of which are SIGHTINGS of BIG BLACK CATS, minus your 15 or so unwanted comments. ANd by the way, the deer we have here are plenty and not "tiny" Many bucks killed around here score 150+. Your racks are no bigger and your deer are less. It's a known fact deer have higher mortality rates in colder climates because food is more scarce. Only the biggest and strongest survive up there because of the lower temperatures. So in theory, only the biggest and strongest can survive. That's why you "think" your deer are bigger. It's not uncommon for someone up there to go the entire season without even seeing anything shootable. Most of us around here bag a decent buck within the first week. Because our deer population is much higher. Take a look here, http://www.northeasternhunting.com/ Yeah we sure do have "tiny" bucks.
frank

United States

#151 Dec 8, 2009
Hey, goofy boy. How many Boone and Crockett or Pope and Young deer come out of NC. I will tell you...NONE. Look at the Adams, Pike area of IL that I live. You say that I live near the city because I disagree with you, but I know SERIOUS whitetail areas are infested by trail cams. And yes, everyone that is a serious hunter realizes that your deer do not compare. Please though, send another link from an outfitter from NC as proof of big deer down there (I'm sure they are not biased).
Amelia

United States

#152 Dec 12, 2009
Does anybody know why panthers have yellow eyes?
footseeker

Little Valley, NY

#153 Dec 16, 2009
i know black cougars exist,i've seen one,heard it on two different occasions.found their scat,and their tracks.i have just recently been laid off and went back to see if their sign was still there and it is.i could probly prove this if north carolina would grant me permission to trap one.anyhow my long friend still lives after keeping tabs on him or her for the last 15 year's and that tells me their's probly a small population in north carolina. [email protected]
Franny

Belleville, MI

#154 Dec 20, 2009
Leenie wrote:
<quoted text>I agree with you David! I lived in upstate NY and personally saw 3 big cats together( one tawny color the other 2 jet black; about 21/2 ft to the shoulder height, and about 4 ft long not counting tail which was long) My 20 yr old neice also saw them as we stood talking. After the cats ran up around the barn and into the woods we went up there and saw the paw prints all over there that measured 5" wide pad prints! Others saw them too, and gamewarden and biologist that spoke with me said odd the cats stay all yr the area, and seen so much in daytime, and don't seem afraid of coming close to domestic buildings. My daughter still lives up there and says the big cats still sighted at times. Who ever says they don't exist anymore in Northeast US really have not seen one there! They apparantly continue to breed and roam, and in 20 yrs now since I saw those I imagine; breeding
wise, they have populated out to areas far and wide and quite a few in fact! I don't know if lepards can breed with cugars or not, but my MIL told me when she was a girl living there in that farm where I saw the big cats; she said back then early 1900's an older German couple brought back 2 leopard cubs with them as pets from abroad, and that when the cats got too big to handle they turned them loose; upstate NY! Might explain why they stayed yr around that area of the hills overlooking the valley! Biologist said panther of the south migrates back south in winter as a rule. I just know what I saw and heard was big cats, and they were real. After knowing they were out there I nolonger took hikes alone in the woods.Since we had quite a bit of posted woods they had good hunting, and cover. Leenie
i can remember as a child going to the Philadelphia Zoo and seeing a Beautiful Black Cat in a cage...i question is do they really do still exist and where? because on the Animal Planet Channel and National Geographics never talk about the big black cat..please email me with your answers please [email protected] thanks
frank

United States

#155 Dec 22, 2009
footseeker wrote:
i know black cougars exist,i've seen one,heard it on two different occasions.found their scat,and their tracks.i have just recently been laid off and went back to see if their sign was still there and it is.i could probly prove this if north carolina would grant me permission to trap one.anyhow my long friend still lives after keeping tabs on him or her for the last 15 year's and that tells me their's probly a small population in north carolina. [email protected]
You are funny.
Chris

Sanford, NC

#156 Dec 25, 2009
And you sir, are just plain ignorant. You're not even from this region, your just an internet troll! According to Frank, we all just imagine these things.
frank

United States

#157 Dec 26, 2009
Chris wrote:
And you sir, are just plain ignorant. You're not even from this region, your just an internet troll! According to Frank, we all just imagine these things.
Genius, you could prove it from the scat and tracks that you have supposedly found. Show us a pic of the tracks. I know quite a few people that could substantiate them for you. You could also show them to the DNR. Please do not give me the lame excuse that they are in some huge conspiracy where they are covering something up or releasing them.
frank

United States

#158 Dec 28, 2009
Chris, you said.....
"Many bucks killed around here score 150+. Your racks are no bigger and your deer are less."

Also, would you like to take back this statement, since your deer are clearly smaller? This is more proof of lies or ignorance. I don't know which is worse.

For proof:
http://www.kerrlake.com/deer/white.htm
Chris

Sanford, NC

#159 Jan 3, 2010
Here's your evidence Frank, watch these 3 videos...

http://www.amuseline.com/questionable-black-p...

And I dare you to say the 2nd video isn't a panther. You can clearly tell it is a massive cat stalking a deer.
Chris

Sanford, NC

#160 Jan 3, 2010
You can plainly see it walking across the clearing from 0:28-0:35, while stalking the deer. I'm very curious to see what you have to say now.
frank

United States

#161 Jan 6, 2010
First, read the words in your link. AMUSELINE QUESTIONABLE BLACK PANTHER SIGHTING.
From the text,
"There are no proved cases of truly black cougar though people from such states as Kentucky, South and North Carolina, Kansas, Texas and Nebraska report the sightings of black panthers. Biologists and breeders consider black cougar to be a myth they suppose that people misidentify the animal they see. In Florida two dark furred bobcats were caught. Their fur seemed to be black but at closer examination it turned out to be of chocolate and mahogany tint. Also there exists another species jaguarundi, that looks like a cougar and has a dark fur. So, probably there are no black panthers in the North America. Nevertheless, Black Panthers exist in the folklore of many Indians"
The problem is that you see great size that simply does not exist. It is a house cat. Anyone who has researched the topic has already seen these videos. They have been around for a couple of years.
jem

Fort Myers, FL

#162 Jan 6, 2010
Folklore has more credibility than you might think. I am Seneca and my ancesters handed down much knowledge that was passed on to myself and my children and their children. We know what we have seen and they are not domestic cats. I have owned cats all my life, some as large as 25lbs, believe me, I know the difference. When you see a cat that is as large as a medium sized dog, it is not a house cat. Besides, the black cats I have seen look nothing like a domesticated cat. Regardless of what many people might perceive as false, there are numerous truths that have yet to be discovered.
Chris

Sanford, NC

#163 Jan 8, 2010
Frank is just full of it, he proves this time and time again.
The evidence is right there. That cat was every bit of 100lbs or more, that is obvious to anyone who watches it.
You can also tell by it's tail. Cougars have very long tails, nearly as long as their body, which is the case in this video.
Also if it was just a "very large" house cat, his belly would be dragging the ground. Every house cat i've ever seen over 30lbs or so, dragged it's belly. The belly on this cat is nowhere near the ground.

You can also compare the cat to the deer in the foreground, nad tell its BIG and i'm pretty sure the father and son duo, that recorded the video, could tell the difference between a small cat and a big one.

How often have you been back deep in the woods and seen a random domestic house cat?

Show me a domestic cat thats as big as the cat in that video. I dare you to even try.
jem

Fort Myers, FL

#164 Jan 8, 2010
Chris, It's very difficult to convince an ignorarnt or a person with blinders on that there is life out there that we probably can't explain. I would probably just stop trying and ignore his imput.

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