Is liberal Christianity signing its o...

Is liberal Christianity signing its own death warrant?

There are 143 comments on the www.virtueonline.org story from Jul 26, 2012, titled Is liberal Christianity signing its own death warrant?. In it, www.virtueonline.org reports that:

The Rt. Rev. Mark Joseph Lawrence, the Episcopal bishop of South Carolina, fears for the future of his church.

One week after the U.S. Episcopal Church overwhelmingly voted to approve a provisional rite for blessing gay unions and the ordination of transgender people, Bishop Lawrence said in an interview with NBC News that his denomination is moving too far out of the mainstream ...

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#147 Feb 8, 2013
Neil Andblowme wrote:
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Like when the church played "pick&choose" about which books to include in the Buybull?
You could say that. There were many texts and scriptures that were in use prior to the final choosing of canonical texts that most regard today as the Bible.

People who try to say that Scripture is the "Word of God" have not been properly taught. However, this view of scripture has become so old and traditional in many lines of Christianity that it has become openly accepted and vehemently defended.

Jesus said, ""The Pharisees and the scholars have taken the keys of knowledge and have hidden them. They have not entered nor have they allowed those who want to enter to do so." It is true.

The first reference to the active components of Creation are sound and Light and are in the Hebrew Creation story. This story is much older than the written versions.

Day One: the Breath of God moves through the depths of the uncreated, the waters, in a primary sound - vibration - which is also Light and consciousness.

In fact, this is exactly what the modern physicist believes happened. Space and time and commensurate consciousness are a matter of relative vibration, fundamental to all subatomic existence. This is where it begins. The "Word" is an attempt to define or describe the point of conscious existence through which you and I and all else is and are created, single and plural.

Scripture, defined or described as the "Word of God" is an attempt to place a set of authority beyond argument. But, the realization is that any attempt to put "God" and the authority of "God" into writing is a futile, finite, human mockery of the Infinite which is beyond comprehension. That Infinite-beyond-comprehension reality, which is even beyond vibration is the One Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken. This is why the Hebrews regard the Name of God to be unspeakable, as a matter of fearful respect and truth.

It is the Breath, the Spirit, that powers vibration. And it is the setting in which limitless power exists, beyond space and time, both of which are the products of vibration, node and anode, at every level.

Rev. Ken

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#148 Feb 8, 2013
itz wrote:
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Hebrew "mythology" ..I thought as a "reverend" you actually belived in the old and new testement, rather than considering it myth on par with Greek & Roman Gods.. My mistake.
Many Christians do not take a literal interpretation of the creation myth, in the same way that many Jews do not.

It's not required to hold a literal interpretation of every line of scripture in the OT, to be a Christian.

Jesus was very specific as to those requirements.
Fitz

Roseville, MI

#149 Feb 8, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Many Christians do not take a literal interpretation of the creation myth, in the same way that many Jews do not.
It's not required to hold a literal interpretation of every line of scripture in the OT, to be a Christian.
Jesus was very specific as to those requirements.
And I am one of those Christians myself, but we are not talking about a "literal" interpretation of the creation story, were talking about about "Mythology" that has as its root "myth" as opposed to allegory or what not.

Its strange for a supposed Christian Reverend to think of the creation story as a myth.
Quest

Culpeper, VA

#150 Feb 8, 2013
Fitz wrote:
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And I am one of those Christians myself, but we are not talking about a "literal" interpretation of the creation story, were talking about about "Mythology" that has as its root "myth" as opposed to allegory or what not.
Its strange for a supposed Christian Reverend to think of the creation story as a myth.
I don't know, I know many that do.

I've hear Christians argue each and every line in that story - some feeling that if there really wasn't a talking snake, their their faith is based on a lie.

They seem to forget the real basis for their love of Jesus does not rest on historical proof of every story in the OT.

But, I think on that sort of point, agreeing to disagree is the most courteous thing. Belief that Adam and Eve were real people isn't required to accept Jesus as your Savior.

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#151 Feb 8, 2013
itz wrote:
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Hebrew "mythology" ..I thought as a "reverend" you actually belived in the old and new testement, rather than considering it myth on par with Greek & Roman Gods.. My mistake.
Fitz,

Certainly there is an historical account, much of it factual.
But, do you not understand that there also is mythology in the Hebrew stories?

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#152 Feb 8, 2013
Fitz wrote:
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And I am one of those Christians myself, but we are not talking about a "literal" interpretation of the creation story, were talking about about "Mythology" that has as its root "myth" as opposed to allegory or what not.
Its strange for a supposed Christian Reverend to think of the creation story as a myth.
Oh, Fitz!

Don't be silly!
Dubya

Chachoengsao, Thailand

#153 Feb 9, 2013
Chance wrote:
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They also have an obligation to worry about their churches. If they find themselves in a church that is straying from biblical teaching, they should not support that church not should they trust its leaders. I thinks millions of Christians are doing just that and leaving liberal churches for those who adhere more closely to regarding the Bible as the true and inspired word of God that says what it means and means what is says.
Sorry, Chance, it's your "what it means" that christians (Christian wanna be's) use to justify their bigotry and meanness. Did you ever think there was a message that Jesus taught in his words and actions instead of the lesser commands in the Old Testament? Just how many adulterers have you stoned this week? And did you kill your children when they disobeyed you? It's not an either, or situation. Either you take ALL the rues in Leviticus or you try to follow the message of Jeses (love, acceptance, forgiveness). I can imagine which one you subscribe to!
Neil Andblowme

West New York, NJ

#154 Feb 9, 2013
itz wrote:
On the contrary,when the early Christian councils compiled the scriptures they did not "pick and choose" as they could have.
Like what is called the "Gnostic Gospels" were popular at he time yet they did not make it into the cannon.
Actual archelogical evidence exists from these councils and they reveal that those early Christian leaders only picked those books that were universally agreed upon for reliability and sourced texts.
While multiple participants at these councils liked different books, and some books had more tan majority support...only those books that were universally agreed upon were included.
They picked the books that fit their agenda.

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#155 Feb 9, 2013
I love the stories in Genesis. Set a beautiful backdrop about God and his love for us. Not every story in the Bible is true. Jesus himself used parables to tell a story and to get across ideas. EVERY religion has a flood story and a beginning story. DON'T MISS THE MESSAGE PEOPLE!

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

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#156 Feb 9, 2013
itz wrote:
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Adam & Lilith?
Do tell... There is so much of your worldview that is unknown to Christians
History and google can be your friends....

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#157 Feb 9, 2013
Fitz wrote:
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And I am one of those Christians myself, but we are not talking about a "literal" interpretation of the creation story, were talking about about "Mythology" that has as its root "myth" as opposed to allegory or what not.
Its strange for a supposed Christian Reverend to think of the creation story as a myth.
It is myth, Hebrew and older.

For example the story of Noah is actually taken from an older myth, of Gilgamesh.

How can people who base their souls on the Bible not read or understand it?

Lazy...
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#158 Feb 9, 2013
Fitz wrote:
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And I am one of those Christians myself, but we are not talking about a "literal" interpretation of the creation story, were talking about about "Mythology" that has as its root "myth" as opposed to allegory or what not.
Its strange for a supposed Christian Reverend to think of the creation story as a myth.
To help people get a handle on it; ponder this:
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The Authorized King James Bible is an ancient Book of Wisdom; not a law book
Mallard

Smartt, TN

#160 Jul 7, 2013
not a religious kook wrote:
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And that poster is a kook.
Jesus was a Socialist, who spouted the Fairness Doctrine, who said either you give to the lazy shiftless trailer trash poor or you won't see Heaven.
Christianity equals Politics. Worship the Alpha Male or suffer the consequences. Pander to the lowest common denominator, and stay in power,(blessed are the...).
Your only hope is to throw your sin burden down at the foot of the cross. Repent, believe the gospel, and be born again, or you will regret it for eternity.
Mallard

Smartt, TN

#161 Jul 7, 2013
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
I love the stories in Genesis. Set a beautiful backdrop about God and his love for us. Not every story in the Bible is true. Jesus himself used parables to tell a story and to get across ideas. EVERY religion has a flood story and a beginning story. DON'T MISS THE MESSAGE PEOPLE!
If every religion has a flood story, it is because there was a global flood.

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#162 Jul 7, 2013
Mallard wrote:
<quoted text>If every religion has a flood story, it is because there was a global flood.
No. There was no "global" flood.

All of the "Great flood(s)" have been local. The descendants of the population surrounding and living along the rim of the Caspian Sea at the end of the last Ice Age, some 9000 years ago, ancestors to the Hebrews, were the people who told their children and their children's children of the Great Flood.

The ruins of parts of their civilization are now being found under a couple hundred feet of water; especially along the southern rim of the Caspian. As the Earth's seas rose following the great melting, as the glaciation receded, a glacial moraine ice dam broke at the west end of the Caspian, allowing the Mediterranean Sea to spill in and flood the interior.

It was a catastrophic event.

The telling of the event, and its remembrance by such telling, took on spiritual, tribal-mythical and moral embellishments over thousands of years of oral storytelling.

Did some people realize the magnitude of what was going to happen before it actually did happen? Undoubtedly.

Did one family then prepare for the worst and survive by living aboard an "Ark" for a time? Quite possibly.

Were they the only human survivors? No. Long before that, humans migrated and were living in other parts of the Euro-Asian-African world. There were very likely also tribes of humans throughout the Indonesian-Australian archipelago as early as 30,000 years ago and probably long before that.

Did the Caspian Flood survivors live aboard their supersized triple-decker houseboat life raft which was no longer than a football field along with EVERY kind of paired species on Earth and with all the food and water necessary for their survival for six months while the water rose to +29,000 feet above sea level, which would be necessary to overtop the World's highest mountains?

Nope.

That part is a part of the myth.

Rev. Ken
Mallard

Smartt, TN

#163 Jul 7, 2013
RevKen wrote:
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No. There was no "global" flood.
All of the "Great flood(s)" have been local. The descendants of the population surrounding and living along the rim of the Caspian Sea at the end of the last Ice Age, some 9000 years ago, ancestors to the Hebrews, were the people who told their children and their children's children of the Great Flood.
The ruins of parts of their civilization are now being found under a couple hundred feet of water; especially along the southern rim of the Caspian. As the Earth's seas rose following the great melting, as the glaciation receded, a glacial moraine ice dam broke at the west end of the Caspian, allowing the Mediterranean Sea to spill in and flood the interior.
It was a catastrophic event.
The telling of the event, and its remembrance by such telling, took on spiritual, tribal-mythical and moral embellishments over thousands of years of oral storytelling.
Did some people realize the magnitude of what was going to happen before it actually did happen? Undoubtedly.
Did one family then prepare for the worst and survive by living aboard an "Ark" for a time? Quite possibly.
Were they the only human survivors? No. Long before that, humans migrated and were living in other parts of the Euro-Asian-African world. There were very likely also tribes of humans throughout the Indonesian-Australian archipelago as early as 30,000 years ago and probably long before that.
Did the Caspian Flood survivors live aboard their supersized triple-decker houseboat life raft which was no longer than a football field along with EVERY kind of paired species on Earth and with all the food and water necessary for their survival for six months while the water rose to +29,000 feet above sea level, which would be necessary to overtop the World's highest mountains?
Nope.
That part is a part of the myth.
Rev. Ken
You sure do post a lot of fictions and personal opinions as facts. Reading that, a less-than-bright person might believe you are a really OLD MAN who was around back then.

Instead of trying to impress people with all your pretended knowledge, I have a suggestion:
Repent, believe God's Word, and cast your sin burden at the foot of the cross for eternal salvation.
Gaining this whole world, if it were possible, is not a good trade-off for losing your soul.
Mallard

Smartt, TN

#164 Jul 7, 2013
Fitz wrote:
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And I am one of those Christians myself, but we are not talking about a "literal" interpretation of the creation story, were talking about about "Mythology" that has as its root "myth" as opposed to allegory or what not.
Its strange for a supposed Christian Reverend to think of the creation story as a myth.
I'll stick with Jesus' understanding of Genesis, as He makes what is probably the most "literalist" statement in the Bible:

Matt 23:35 "That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar."

Thus, Jesus speaks of Abel - the 2nd son of Adam and Eve - as a historical person.
Thus, with "the blood of righteous Abel", Jesus speaks of Abel's murder at the hands of his brother Cain (their 1st son) as a historical event and crime.

So then ......... Do you liberal Christians claim Jesus was lying to us, or that He was deluded?
Or have you decided Matthew 23 is uninspired?

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#165 Jul 7, 2013
Mallard wrote:
<quoted text>I'll stick with Jesus' understanding of Genesis, as He makes what is probably the most "literalist" statement in the Bible:
Matt 23:35 "That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar."
Thus, Jesus speaks of Abel - the 2nd son of Adam and Eve - as a historical person.
Thus, with "the blood of righteous Abel", Jesus speaks of Abel's murder at the hands of his brother Cain (their 1st son) as a historical event and crime.
So then ......... Do you liberal Christians claim Jesus was lying to us, or that He was deluded?
Or have you decided Matthew 23 is uninspired?
Educate yourself.

http://books.google.com/books...

http://paleogeo.org/flood_en.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge...

Don't take anyone's word for it, pro or con.

“For this reason...”

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#166 Jul 9, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
from virtueonline:
The "Inclusive" Episcopal Church doesn't include traditional Christains.
Still speaking truth in a world that loves the dark I see?

How is our disgusting lesbian would be editor?

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#167 Jul 9, 2013
WotMeWorry wrote:
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Still speaking truth in a world that loves the dark I see?
How is our disgusting lesbian would be editor?
DOMA IS DONE!!! Just like I said....in this country we have FREEDOM!

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