How Do You View The Confederate Flag?

How Do You View The Confederate Flag?

There are 1243 comments on the blog.vdare.com story from Jan 18, 2008, titled How Do You View The Confederate Flag?. In it, blog.vdare.com reports that:

By Stephen Dinan - COLUMBIA, S.C. - ' The Confederate battle flag - ' an issue that has confounded politicians in South Carolina for more than a decade - ' is back again, this time in the form of radio ads ...

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Since: Jan 08

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#1 Jan 18, 2008
This forum is a place for people to state how they feel about the confederate battle flag today, whether or not it should be allowed on any type of government property and why they feel the way they do. Please be civil as this is a very sensitive subject for opponents and for supporters.

“Atheist and Proud !”

Since: Nov 07

Ontario,Canada

#2 Jan 18, 2008
Hell

Kerdy..

First off,, this isn't a Forum..

This is a Thread...

This is a thread in a Christian Forum..

I view the Confederate flaf a Southern Redneck...

However I happen to like Southern Redneck, because I'm a Northern Redneck...

Peace...

Canadian
Atheist.. Eh !

Take Off Eh !
ALI

Australia

#3 Jul 28, 2008

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

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#4 Jul 28, 2008
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Since: Jul 08

Chennai, India

#5 Jul 29, 2008
The Confederate flag is still a symbol of southern pride.The Confederate States of America was the government formed by eleven southern states of the United States of America between 1861 and 1865.It is also called the Confederacy, the Confederate States, and CSA).The first official flag of the Confederacy, called the "Stars and Bars," was flown from March 5, 1861 to May 26, 1863.The Confederate States of America used several flags during its existence from 1861 to 1865.
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Mixed feelings

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#6 Jul 31, 2008
I know that the Confederate flag represents the Southern side of the "last great war among gentlemen," and many Confederate officers were indeed gentlemen, but it also represents a certain defiance to accepting that the South lost the war and that the war was mostly about slavery. It's an in-your-face insult to many descendants of slaves. It should be retired to a respected place in Southern museums. It should not fly on the statehouse.

“Where is Cookeville?”

Since: Dec 07

Cookeville

#7 Jul 31, 2008
I disagree. Cynthia Mckenny (and Barrack O'bama) have stated (correctly) that the U.S. flag flew over the institution of slavery for far longer than the Confederate flag ever did.
Bud

Tallahassee, FL

#8 Jul 31, 2008
Sadly, and this comes from a trye Son of the Confederacy, it is time to retire it. My points:

Whatever the flag used to mean to Southern heritage and whatever its historical significance, it HAS become a symbol of racism, thanks to racist jerks like the KKK, etc. THEY are the ones that crapped all over our heritage, not the people complaining. Since its status as a symbol of racism is now a reality, like it or not, it does not belong flying from government buildings.

Secondly, it isn't even the "real" Confederate national flag, of which there are many to choose from. So pick one of those to celebrate your heritage if you need to do so publicly. Not only are they more appropriate historically, they have the added side effect of not having been commandeered by idiot rednecks.
Less Sure of History

Conway, SC

#9 Jul 31, 2008
Being "Northern" I had a similar view of the Confederacy and War between the States until I went to Ft Sumpter and read some of the articles in the museum there. After doing a lot more research, I am of the opinion that the Civil War was over States Rights, not slavery. In fact, Lincoln himself said he was less interested in the issue of slavery than he was in keeping the United States "united". I wonder if he would have compromised on the issue of slavery if it would have led to a quick end to the war with a unified states? The Northern schools (and belief system) is very simplistic, and would like to portray the war as an idealistic endeavor to "free slaves". It was really about politics...just ask the slaves in New England during that same period.
Bud

Tallahassee, FL

#10 Aug 1, 2008
Less Sure of History wrote:
Being "Northern" I had a similar view of the Confederacy and War between the States until I went to Ft Sumpter and read some of the articles in the museum there. After doing a lot more research, I am of the opinion that the Civil War was over States Rights, not slavery. In fact, Lincoln himself said he was less interested in the issue of slavery than he was in keeping the United States "united". I wonder if he would have compromised on the issue of slavery if it would have led to a quick end to the war with a unified states? The Northern schools (and belief system) is very simplistic, and would like to portray the war as an idealistic endeavor to "free slaves". It was really about politics...just ask the slaves in New England during that same period.
It makes me wonder if students in the North ever ask the question: how many Confederate soldiers owned slaves?

Not many. So they must have been fighting for something else.

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#11 Aug 1, 2008
Less Sure of History wrote:
Being "Northern" I had a similar view of the Confederacy and War between the States until I went to Ft Sumpter and read some of the articles in the museum there. After doing a lot more research, I am of the opinion that the Civil War was over States Rights, not slavery. In fact, Lincoln himself said he was less interested in the issue of slavery than he was in keeping the United States "united". I wonder if he would have compromised on the issue of slavery if it would have led to a quick end to the war with a unified states? The Northern schools (and belief system) is very simplistic, and would like to portray the war as an idealistic endeavor to "free slaves". It was really about politics...just ask the slaves in New England during that same period.
Thank you for sharing this. You have hit the nail on the head. Someone else stated that it was not the official flag of the south. Also true. It was a battle flag. Its been getting a bad reputation, for no apparent or justified reason. I say, leave it alone and stop blaming racism on flag. Its in the hearts of people, and not afterall, we dont have slaves anymore and never will again. If we get rid of this, there are many other things we must ignore. Look at all of the past civilizations we have used to build this country and everyone of them also had slavery. Should we abandon all of the things that recognize those nations? Should we destroy great literature works and pieces of art from the past? What about our legal system that began in Greece and Rome who also had slaves. No, this is simply an object for others to get angry about to justify their own hatred because there are VERY few good reasons for them to feel the way they do. Yes, I know I will draw some heat for this post, but there you have it.

“The Buybull is innerrrent.”

Since: Jun 08

Wilmington, DE

#12 Aug 1, 2008
Less Sure of History wrote:
After doing a lot more research, I am of the opinion that the Civil War was over States Rights....
Just about all wars are about natural resources and economic issues. This surely motivated the North in the Civil War.(Very few wars are predominantly over dueling religio-cult systems, as the Crusades were.)

Even so one of the states' rights issues being most contested was the issue of slavery. It wasn't all economic issues.

If white Murica could seriously come to grips with the national scars of slavery and genocide of Native Americans then perhaps any lingering Confederate flags on good ol boys pickup trucks would be less significant.

But I said, "If."

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#13 Aug 1, 2008
writewingproxycontin wrote:
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Just about all wars are about natural resources and economic issues. This surely motivated the North in the Civil War.(Very few wars are predominantly over dueling religio-cult systems, as the Crusades were.)
The crusades? They didnt start because of religion.

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#14 Aug 1, 2008
writewingproxycontin wrote:
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Even so one of the states' rights issues being most contested was the issue of slavery.
States rights, tarriffs and THEN slavery. It was seen as an economic issue first, moral issue second. It was also about the constitutional argument over whether or not a state had a right to leave the Union.

“The Buybull is innerrrent.”

Since: Jun 08

Wilmington, DE

#15 Aug 2, 2008
I see you've managed to come out of your shell, so tell me how long it took to create the earth and its creatures again, and why you infallible literalists don't agree amongst yourselves.

I don't see that your two posts added anything to mine in terms of content, but I confess to ignorance about why the Crusades were not "predominantly over dueling religio-cult systems."

The Crusades persisted for decades, so in answering that question don't play some semantic game about whether they "started" over religio-cult differences or not. They clearly were about (or marketed to the cannon fodder) as being about religious differences.

Oh, if you're able to answer one of these question you are certainly capable of answering both. Cos you're not a disingenuous prevaricator, right?

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#16 Aug 2, 2008
writewingproxycontin wrote:
so tell me how long it took to create the earth and its creatures again,
How should I know, I wasnt there when God did it. I also have no idea how he measures time considering he created it.
writewingproxycontin wrote:
and why you infallible literalists don't agree amongst yourselves.
The literalists do agree, its the others that dont. You are confused, but I guess its no different than science with evolution and the origins of life. And yes, I know they are not the same thing.
writewingproxycontin wrote:
but I confess to ignorance about why the Crusades were not "predominantly over dueling religio-cult systems."
The Crusades persisted for decades, so in answering that question don't play some semantic game about whether they "started" over religio-cult differences or not. They clearly were about (or marketed to the cannon fodder) as being about religious differences.
Thats it exactly, thats what many people were told. They were "saving" the Muslims, however, that is not why it started or why it continued. The Knights Templar were founded for protection. Any guess from whom? It also, later, became about properties, but of course they didnt tell the people fighting the wars that.
writewingproxycontin wrote:
Oh, if you're able to answer one of these question you are certainly capable of answering both.
I can answer all of your questions. I usually choose not to due to your attitude and arrogance. You see, I have children of my own, I dont need to deal with another.

“The Buybull is innerrrent.”

Since: Jun 08

Wilmington, DE

#17 Aug 2, 2008
Kerdy 1 wrote:
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How should I know, I wasnt there when God did it. I also have no idea how he measures time considering he created it.
<quoted text>
The literalists do agree, its the others that dont.
You are lying again, Blanche.

1. No one we know was there for the events in the Buy-bull, yet you talibangelicals claim absolute certainty regarding your version of so called god's word all the time.
2. You seem content to take certain words from the Buy-bull at absolute face value - like Sodom - because it dovetails with your personal, unacknowledged bigotry. Yet all of a sudden, when pressed, you don't know what "day" in the Buy-bull means....
3. The fundie crackpot literalists do not agree on what the Buy-bull says. Huckabee himself said he doesn't know what "day" means. People argue arcane (deranged) points on TBS all the time; they do not agree. And there are different kinds of so called literalists, as you well know, with different biblical texts, as you well know.

You ignorant, self deceiving bigots need to start practicing your professed religion by cutting out with the lies. You also should start treating others as you would wish to be treated yourself. If you cannot do this the sane majority will have to see to it that fundies concerned with everyone else's undies be forbidden from marrying whom they wish, adopting children, serving openly in the armed forces, being protected from arbitrary firing and all the rest. Now get to it or you're gonna burn (at least that's what you kooky belief system would conclude.)

Oh, and I'm sure you don't need to avoid these contradictions of yours with some bleating about how I insult you, when you regularly defame others. Right? You stinking liar.

“The Buybull is innerrrent.”

Since: Jun 08

Wilmington, DE

#18 Aug 2, 2008
TBS = my attempt to name the funny fundierai$ing so called "Christian" TV network with all those sheeple fleecing prosperity preaching frauds, imo.

Not the movie channel.
spungmike

Easley, SC

#19 Aug 2, 2008
First off I would like to say that I did march in Myrtle Beach for the confederate flag in the 90's. I did mostly because I am tired of having black ideology shoved down my throat. But in retrospect, I believe that the flag belongs in a museum. My reason is because the south did lose the war. This is the United States of America, not the United South Carolina. We do fly our state flag on top of the state capitol along with the American flag. Those are the only two flags that belong on our state grounds. I guess that if it really does offend the blacks, then it should be down. That does not mean I like giving that to them because they threaten with boycotts and such. It is the right thing to do, we are AMERICA, AND SOUTH CAROLINA, the greatest place on earth to be. Lets show the rest of the world that we are.

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#20 Aug 2, 2008
writewingproxycontin wrote:
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You are lying again, Blanche.
Sure I am.

Close your eyes and repeat after me....

"Everyone is a liar except me. Everyone is a liar except me. Everyone is a liar except me."

(whispering: "Ok doctor, when he isnt looking, hit him with the tranquilizer.")

"Its ok. Just relaaaaaaaax! No one is going to hurt you."

"NOW!"

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