Press On: Nothing to celebrate

Press On: Nothing to celebrate

There are 51 comments on the Lake County Record-Bee story from Jan 7, 2011, titled Press On: Nothing to celebrate. In it, Lake County Record-Bee reports that:

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Typicallakecount yreaction

Napa, CA

#47 Jan 9, 2011
Make that amygdala not amydala.
Thomas Freeman

Cleburne, TX

#48 Jan 9, 2011
Correction: Abraham Lincoln, at the time of his election had no intention of ending slavery, he had endorsed an amendment to preserve it.
Typicallakecount yreaction

Napa, CA

#49 Jan 9, 2011
Thomas Freeman wrote:
Correction: Abraham Lincoln, at the time of his election had no intention of ending slavery, he had endorsed an amendment to preserve it.
Are you referring to the second Presidential election or the first? Everyone already knows it was midway into his first term that he signed the proclamation to free slaves. Is your intent just to mislead through innuendo but without creating an outright lie? I'd put money on it that is your intent...Typical conservative with no moral qualms. Our country absolutely deserves to go down the drain if we are so stupid as to be swayed by arguments like yours. In fact, I'd go so far as to say you would like us to be a banana republic. I can't figure out any other reason for you to bring out pointless, non-contextual facts.
Billy Bearden

Whitesburg, GA

#50 Jan 10, 2011
Typicallakecountyreaction wrote:
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Are you referring to the second Presidential election or the first?...Typical conservative with no moral qualms. Our country absolutely deserves to go down the drain if we are so stupid as to be swayed by arguments like yours. In fact, I'd go so far as to say you would like us to be a banana republic. I can't figure out any other reason for you to bring out pointless, non-contextual facts.
God Bless you TLCR! I love you brother!

No, as I stated in my 1st comment, and was also alluded to by SC Cav and the last guy, President Lincoln said the following on March 4th, 1861 - his 1st Inagrual Address:

Part 1

"Apprehension seems to exist among the people of the Southern States that by the accession of a Republican Administration their property and their peace and personal security are to be endangered. There has never been any reasonable cause for such apprehension. Indeed, the most ample evidence to the contrary has all the while existed and been open to their inspection. It is found in nearly all the published speeches of him who now addresses you. I do but quote from one of those speeches when I declare that—
I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."

Part 2
"Resolved, That the maintenance inviolate of the rights of the States, and especially the right of each State to order and control its own domestic institutions according to its own judgment exclusively, is essential to that balance of power on which the perfection and endurance of our political fabric depend; and we denounce the lawless invasion by armed force of the soil of any State or Territory, no matter what pretext, as among the gravest of crimes. 4
I now reiterate these sentiments, and in doing so I only press upon the public attention the most conclusive evidence of which the case is susceptible that the property, peace, and security of no section are to be in any wise endangered by the now incoming Administration. I add, too, that all the protection which, consistently with the Constitution and the laws, can be given will be cheerfully given to all the States when lawfully demanded, for whatever cause—as cheerfully to one section as to another."
Billy Bearden

Whitesburg, GA

#51 Jan 10, 2011
Typicallakecountyreaction wrote:
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I can't figure out any other reason for you to bring out pointless, non-contextual facts.
Part 3 - and the most damning statement

"I understand a proposed amendment to the Constitution—which amendment, however, I have not seen—has passed Congress, to the effect that the Federal Government shall never interfere with the domestic institutions of the States, including that of persons held to service. To avoid misconstruction of what I have said, I depart from my purpose not to speak of particular amendments so far as to say that, holding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable."

Lincoln refers to the 'Corwin Amendment' which reads
"No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State"

The interesting story here is that Corwin had passed both houses of Congress and was ratified by 2 states - Ohio and Maryland. As a matter of fact, Corwin is still active and on the books awaiting states to vote on it. Had the south really wanted to protect slavery, all they had to do was stay in the union and ratify Corwin
Billy Bearden

Whitesburg, GA

#52 Jan 10, 2011
Typicallakecountyreaction wrote:
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Everyone already knows it was midway into his first term that he signed the proclamation to free slaves.
About the Emancipation Proclamation, did it REALLY free anybody?

It does if you only read the 1st sentence:

"That on the first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free"

However, with any politician, further examination is required :-)
Looking at the 5th paragraph tells a TOTALLY different tale:

"Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana,(except the Parishes of St. Bernard, Plaquemines, Jefferson, St. John, St. Charles, St. James Ascension, Assumption, Terrebonne, Lafourche, St. Mary, St. Martin, and Orleans, including the City of New Orleans) Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia,(except the forty-eight counties designated as West Virginia, and also the counties of Berkley, Accomac, Northampton, Elizabeth City, York, Princess Ann, and Norfolk, including the cities of Norfolk and Portsmouth[)], and which excepted parts, are for the present, left precisely as if this proclamation were not issued."

So, Lincoln freed the slaves of the Confederate States where Confederates were in control. Lincoln EXEMPTED freeing slaves from all Uniion areas where Union forces were in control - Kentucky, Missouri, Maryland, Oklahoma Territory, Delaware, New Jersey, West Virginia, New Orleans, Hampton Roads, and Tennessee.

Also in the EP, Lincoln gave the Confederate States 100 days (until April 1863) to rejoin the Union to keep slavery.
Jim Hall

United States

#53 Jan 10, 2011
Billy Bearden wrote:
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About the Emancipation Proclamation, did it REALLY free anybody?
It does if you only read the 1st sentence:
"That on the first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free"
However, with any politician, further examination is required :-)
Looking at the 5th paragraph tells a TOTALLY different tale:
"Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana,(except the Parishes of St. Bernard, Plaquemines, Jefferson, St. John, St. Charles, St. James Ascension, Assumption, Terrebonne, Lafourche, St. Mary, St. Martin, and Orleans, including the City of New Orleans) Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia,(except the forty-eight counties designated as West Virginia, and also the counties of Berkley, Accomac, Northampton, Elizabeth City, York, Princess Ann, and Norfolk, including the cities of Norfolk and Portsmouth[)], and which excepted parts, are for the present, left precisely as if this proclamation were not issued."
So, Lincoln freed the slaves of the Confederate States where Confederates were in control. Lincoln EXEMPTED freeing slaves from all Uniion areas where Union forces were in control - Kentucky, Missouri, Maryland, Oklahoma Territory, Delaware, New Jersey, West Virginia, New Orleans, Hampton Roads, and Tennessee.
Also in the EP, Lincoln gave the Confederate States 100 days (until April 1863) to rejoin the Union to keep slavery.
The bottom line, weather Mr. Lincoln was for or against slavery, is that slavery has no place anywhere in the world. States rights was the issue, at the time, and those folks who saw the degrading issue of slavery, turned Mr. Lincoln's mind about that issue, as the war was going on. He did step up to the plate, and set our fellow citizens free, once and for all, for the betterment of the Nation as a whole. Its sad that some across this nation, still disagree with Mr. Lincoln's actions, but they are dying out, to slowly for most of us, but, dying out.
Billy Bearden

Newnan, GA

#54 Jan 10, 2011
Jim Hall wrote:
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The bottom line, weather Mr. Lincoln was for or against slavery, is that slavery has no place anywhere in the world. States rights was the issue, at the time, and those folks who saw the degrading issue of slavery, turned Mr. Lincoln's mind about that issue, as the war was going on. He did step up to the plate, and set our fellow citizens free, once and for all, for the betterment of the Nation as a whole. Its sad that some across this nation, still disagree with Mr. Lincoln's actions, but they are dying out, to slowly for most of us, but, dying out.
It turned OUT the blacks were free, but Jim, this whole thread is based on an article that contains lies and misinformation. Others involved in this thread have also perpetuated the errors. Some of us sat here thru the hate and slander and expressed the truth. After this thread closes and we go about our lives, how many will remember the truth? How many will forget everything expressed here - like the original writer - and continue speaking the same lies and misinformation? This is what we all - you, me, TLCR, Donna, abc123 etc... need to stop allowing to happen.

God Bless you
Provocateur

San Francisco, CA

#55 Jan 10, 2011
I'd say Decatur Georgia is one of those dark corners. Racism, prejudice, intolerance: as American as apple pie
Billy Bearden

Sargent, GA

#56 Jan 11, 2011
Provocateur wrote:
I'd say Decatur Georgia is one of those dark corners. Racism, prejudice, intolerance: as American as apple pie
Provocateur my friend, how are you doing today?
Hope you are in good health and spirits. Is your new year off to a good start? God Bless you too. Peace,
Provocateur

San Francisco, CA

#57 Jan 11, 2011
Billy Bearden wrote:
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Provocateur my friend, how are you doing today?
Hope you are in good health and spirits. Is your new year off to a good start? God Bless you too. Peace,
Better than last year.

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