Are teachers asking for too much in t...

Are teachers asking for too much in taxes in this economy?

Created by Education Reform on Mar 30, 2012

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Education Reform

Pittsburgh, PA

#1 Mar 30, 2012
The Corbett administration is projecting that its school employee pension obligations will rise by $320 million next year — or more than 50 percent — after more than doubling in this fiscal year.
With spiraling pension costs being part of the education budget, the real increase int he education budget for non compensation is 1/2 percent, according to the Allentown Morning Call.

As a result very powerful PA State Education Agency is looking for new revenue streams such as a Marcellus Shale tax for education and money from closing the Delaware loophole. In their polling they are also asking taxpayers if the state should take money from other programs and give them to education, despite the fact that public education has been the big winner in state appropriations for years at the expense of higher ed, DEP,DCNR, PennDOT and other agencies.

With school property tax, sales tax, realty transfer tax, gaming taxes, general fund transfers, how much money from diverse revenue streams is enough to satiate the ever increasing appetite of the teachers unions? In this economy, PA public education has escaped from the carnage that southern and western states have experienced.
It is time to live within your means.
Central Dauphin

Philadelphia, PA

#2 Mar 30, 2012
Another 2008 stock market collapse will put pay and pensions above 100% of budget. It is inevitable to happen again.

Self destruction
Filthy_Rat

Allentown, PA

#3 Mar 30, 2012
It's not just teachers, it's the whole school system. Salaries are bloated, and they just want more. Go to:

http://www.openpagov.org/school_payroll/sdefa...

...and click on "Access the SCHOOL PAYROLL database>>>" towards the bottom. You can take it from there.

Check out the salaries - for any district, doesn't matter - and you'll see what the problem is.
Filthy_Rat

Allentown, PA

#4 Mar 30, 2012
After clicking Access the SCHOOL PAYROLL database>>>, click on Employee Search. That will take you to where you wanna go.
Central Dauphin

Philadelphia, PA

#5 Mar 30, 2012
Filthy_Rat wrote:
It's not just teachers, it's the whole school system. Salaries are bloated, and they just want more. Go to:
http://www.openpagov.org/school_payroll/sdefa...
...and click on "Access the SCHOOL PAYROLL database>>>" towards the bottom. You can take it from there.
Check out the salaries - for any district, doesn't matter - and you'll see what the problem is.
Great info that all taxpyers should read up on and attend meetings, ask questions and get shot down for being out of order.
That is what they are trying to do. keep you in the dark while they are putting it to you.

Carrying over unused sick days from one district and cramming all of them on the taxpayer of the last district you retired from is a small part of the never ending cycle of your taxes going up every year. It's the PSEA, Teachers Union and paid off legislators that are allowing all these ills to continue.
PSEA new name

Pittsburgh, PA

#6 Mar 31, 2012
It should be called " PA State Extortion Association"!
Filthy_Rat

Allentown, PA

#7 Mar 31, 2012
Central Dauphin wrote:
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...attend meetings, ask questions and get shot down for being out of order.
lol
Central Dauphin

Philadelphia, PA

#8 Mar 31, 2012
What's so funny ?

This is what the school board meetings consist of .

Limiting your business from the floor and only addressing the issues they want opened for discussion ?

Sincerely,
discussted or dissected
Central Dauphin

Philadelphia, PA

#9 Mar 31, 2012
Of course the teachers are asking to much in pay and pensions.

Give it a few more years and the PSEA will be entombed and adjudicated to little more than a catering service.
Central Dauphin

Philadelphia, PA

#10 Apr 2, 2012
Not so good news for taxpayers ?

The 26.3 billion in the PSERS fund has paid out in the last five years 1.35 billion in management fees and a five year return of 3.6 %.

Far below the 8% target needed to meet funding requirements .
Central Dauphin

Philadelphia, PA

#11 Apr 2, 2012
Central Dauphin wrote:
Not so good news for taxpayers ?
The 26.3 billion in the PSERS fund has paid out in the last five years 1.35 billion in management fees and a five year return of 3.6 %.
Far below the 8% target needed to meet funding requirements .
Think new investment managers ? 46 % in risky investment vehicles ?
I can do better than that. Housing and Hedge funds , Nada.

Looks like PSERS is trying to make hurry up gains in the stock market instead of fixing failing schools.
Central Dauphin

Philadelphia, PA

#12 Apr 2, 2012
In addition to SERS and PSERS funded with taxpayer money from state and school taxes there are 3200 local government pension plans.
Education Reform

Pittsburgh, PA

#13 Apr 3, 2012
The Harrisburg Patriot News had a great article on the pension liabilities on Sunday.
Central Dauphin

AOL

#14 Apr 3, 2012
Education Reform wrote:
The Harrisburg Patriot News had a great article on the pension liabilities on Sunday.
Missed the article but it will circulate around the state like a bad penny.

The coming of the lie put out by the State Education Assoc. to see that school districts stay witin a state set tax rate increase.

As time goes on each district can ask to bypass a required voter referendum that sets the tax rate school districts can ask.

200 school districts in western Pa were granted that exemption to bypass the law and raise taxes above the set rate.

They don't say what percentage of the tax increase goes toward pay and pension obligations. Needless to say when the teachers cry the State hasn't made good on money to them ,it's really us that pays directly or through the state to keep their scam going.
Central Dauphin

AOL

#15 Apr 3, 2012
Education Reform wrote:
The Harrisburg Patriot News had a great article on the pension liabilities on Sunday.
I think I read a similar article. One of the few people I met at a school board meeting and had gone into foreclosure on his home said,
" After a few years it didn't really matter what drove him to drop out . A variable interest rate, rising school taxes or paying on a home that wasn't worth what he paid for it. "

Someone has to solve the problem quick or more foreclosures are looming not far away. It's not to hard a decision to make.
"Take the home, I'll rent, it's cheaper than paying a growing school tax that can only grow higher when taxes go for teacher, administrator pay, pension and medical benefits for life". Anyone can do their state funded part time job and get better results for less money.

Oh yeah, should have read the fine print about how your interest rate will vary ?
answer : someone should have told us the teachers will be striking in September when it hurts the most. The same Union can put the custodial staff on strike in June and predetermine the outcome.
Central Dauphin

AOL

#16 Apr 3, 2012
The Union has more tricks up their sleeve than David Blane.

Threaten the custodian/maintenance staff with outsourcing by driving union goons in front of the strikers and tell them they have no contract with the given school district.

Try it ! The school will have more problems maintaining schools and find more leaks that need expensive repairs than your local prostate ward.
Central Dauphin

Philadelphia, PA

#17 Apr 4, 2012
Another Pa Legislative trick :
House bill #153 to reduce the size of legislature from 203 to 153 ?
If the voting citizens of Pa want true legislative reform, this is not it .
If the citizens of Pa ever get a chance to vote on this mouse(rat) bill it wouldn't take effect for nine years giving our legislators enough time to qualify for a lucrative pension and lifetime medical benefits.
The most useless piece of garbage put on the house floor to hoodwink the voting citizens of Pa into thinking our representatives are looking out for our best interests.
Revolt against this kind of hipocrisy, let them eat pink slime and wallow in the arm pit stink they have made along with their Union goons.
Central Dauphin

Philadelphia, PA

#18 Apr 4, 2012
Steady decline in PSERS and SERS pay and pensions = steady increase in taxes on homeowners .

Nothing can stop a yearly increase in taxes on the property owner. Not a three year pay freeze or an early out pension for teachers. It will only add to the underfunded psers pension and will be funded by taxes.

"It's for the kids and I'll never vote to remove or lay off teachers ",and you thought they all cared about us?
Hal Longue

Carlisle, PA

#19 Apr 6, 2012
No matter how you look at it, public school teachers in PA are the MOST OVERPAID, UNDER WORKED segment of LEACHES in Pennsylvania.

"Leaches"? Yes, they suck the blood of all of those of use who contribute to the "Gross State (National) Product", while they contribute NOTHING to the GNP!

Yes, there are very good teachers, and a FEW who contribute far more than they earn, but those "FEW" are "few and far between"

For years I drove Motor Coach, and was subjected to their debauchery on a number of occasions. It seemed that virtually every year I drove I was one of the few drivers of our company who was elected to HAUL the teachers to Harrisburg on their annual trip to MOB the capitol to LOBBY our elected officials for MORE MONEY....IE Higher Salaries, when they are already earning far more for 10 months (only 9 months of teaching, and credit for 2 weeks before and after the school year for prep work) of "work" than probably 80% of us who "pay their high salaries" earn in 12 months of work.

When "HAULING" them on the Motor Coach (bus) I was shocked anew every time at hearing of their partying, sex exploits, and low moral values of many of the ones most citizens entrust their children to 9 months of the year.
Central Dauphin

Philadelphia, PA

#20 Apr 6, 2012
Education Reform wrote:
The Corbett administration is projecting that its school employee pension obligations will rise by $320 million next year — or more than 50 percent — after more than doubling in this fiscal year.
With spiraling pension costs being part of the education budget, the real increase int he education budget for non compensation is 1/2 percent, according to the Allentown Morning Call.
As a result very powerful PA State Education Agency is looking for new revenue streams such as a Marcellus Shale tax for education and money from closing the Delaware loophole. In their polling they are also asking taxpayers if the state should take money from other programs and give them to education, despite the fact that public education has been the big winner in state appropriations for years at the expense of higher ed, DEP,DCNR, PennDOT and other agencies.
With school property tax, sales tax, realty transfer tax, gaming taxes, general fund transfers, how much money from diverse revenue streams is enough to satiate the ever increasing appetite of the teachers unions? In this economy, PA public education has escaped from the carnage that southern and western states have experienced.
It is time to live within your means.
Employee pension obligation will rise by 320 million next year ?

Wait til you see the early out for the teachers with the most seniority agreement . They make these pension/medical promises behind closed doors . That means the taxpayer doesn't get to know how their taxes will increase to pay for these sweetheart deals til after the parties ? sign and deal .

Waltzing Matilda, Waltzing Matilda

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