Pa Vehicle Emission Lies- Read ...

Pa Vehicle Emission Lies- Read if you bought or will buy a new car.

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Face Eraser

Allentown, PA

#1 May 29, 2011
I bought 2 new cars since October 2010
Now it's time for the old RIP OFF of emissions inspection.

I asked two car dealers the same question:
This is June 2011, I've had these 2 cars (purchased new) since October last (2010) I want to do the less expensive 'exempt' emissions test since I drove it less than 5,000 miles.
(would save me $20.oo per car X2 =$40.00 )

Every time I was told "you can't do that, you have to have the car 365 days or more to qualify for the (less expensive) emissions test." LIARS !!

so, I go to the 'service Manager' with my problem.
Service Manager repeated the same lies as all of the service people. MGR said "you have to own the car a FULL 365 days and have driven less than 5,000 miles during that time- to qualify for the less expensive 'exempt' test". LIAR-LIAR......AGAIN.

Don't fall for this.
If you buy a new car and you drive it less than 5,000 before your FIRST emissions test, you qualify for the 'exempt' test.
That saves you between $17.oo and $29.00 for your first 'emissions' test.(depending on your stations pricing)

Do NOT fall for the LIES you hear from the 'inspection' stations.
Terry Winehole

Hanover, PA

#2 May 29, 2011
What a scam from the very beginning!!!!!!!!!!
A Nanny Mouse

Lansdale, PA

#3 May 29, 2011
It isn't a lie. It is the F-ed up law and the way PennDot forces them to do it.
Don't blame the station or dealer, blame the retards in Harrisburg that write the F-ed up laws.
TaxNoMore

United States

#4 May 29, 2011
It's a money grab.........

Every person that owns a house..

Every person that owns a car..

we must feed the democratic public sector union beast.
A Nanny Mouse

Lansdale, PA

#5 May 29, 2011
TaxNoMore wrote:
It's a money grab.........
Every person that owns a house..
Every person that owns a car..
we must feed the democratic public sector union beast.
Since when are dealerships and garages "Public Sector" ?
Atown

Kulpsville, PA

#6 May 29, 2011
Face Eraser wrote:
I bought 2 new cars since October 2010
Now it's time for the old RIP OFF of emissions inspection.
I asked two car dealers the same question:
This is June 2011, I've had these 2 cars (purchased new) since October last (2010) I want to do the less expensive 'exempt' emissions test since I drove it less than 5,000 miles.
(would save me $20.oo per car X2 =$40.00 )
Every time I was told "you can't do that, you have to have the car 365 days or more to qualify for the (less expensive) emissions test." LIARS !!
so, I go to the 'service Manager' with my problem.
Service Manager repeated the same lies as all of the service people. MGR said "you have to own the car a FULL 365 days and have driven less than 5,000 miles during that time- to qualify for the less expensive 'exempt' test". LIAR-LIAR......AGAIN.
Don't fall for this.
If you buy a new car and you drive it less than 5,000 before your FIRST emissions test, you qualify for the 'exempt' test.
That saves you between $17.oo and $29.00 for your first 'emissions' test.(depending on your stations pricing)
Do NOT fall for the LIES you hear from the 'inspection' stations.
Take it to the State Attorney General and try to nail them.
A Nanny Mouse

Lansdale, PA

#7 May 29, 2011
How can the Attorney General nail them for following a law? Stupid as the law may be.
Face Eraser

Allentown, PA

#8 May 30, 2011
A Nanny Mouse wrote:
How can the Attorney General nail them for following a law? Stupid as the law may be.
I think I didn't make the original post clear.

Emissions tests run about $50.oo depending on where you go.
"Exempt" stickers go about 25-$30 less.

I asked 2 dealers (same type car) the same question AND the serivce manager of the one dealer.
Everybody involved told me the same.

Listed below are 'exemptions' from the DMV website.

4&5 don't apply.
It has 4 wheels so #1 does not apply
#2 would normally apply because I never go over 5,000 a year

The dealer tells me I cannot get the 25.00-$30.00 discounted sticker because I have not owned the car 365 days.

NOBODY tells anybody about #3 because the dealer would get $25-30 less for every new car emissions sticker thet sell.
Quote Frod dealer service manager
"People just take the hit the frist year"
Not only THAT but when you DO ask about #3 the dealer LIES and refers you back to #2.

I am not through with this. I just wanted to get the word out that Ford dealers are LIARS.

Don't fall into the Ford service department lies.

EXEMPTIONS:A vehicle is exempt from emissions testing when:
1-It is a motorcycle.
2-It is a vehicle owned for a year and more and has driven less than 5000 miles in the year before the inspection.
3-It is a new vehicle and has driven less than 5000 miles.
4-Registered antique, collectible or classic vehicles.
5-Registered street rods.
For additional information call (800) 265-0921.
A Nanny Mouse

Lansdale, PA

#9 May 30, 2011
In the case of #3, call the AG.
You could also make a criminal fraud complaint and make the cops take care of them.
atasteofreality

Bethlehem, PA

#10 May 30, 2011
I have been a vocal opponent of the state's emmision tactics, but I gotta say FE is wrong here. A "new vehicle" per #3 refers to a vehicle being purchased from the dealer's lot that may have been a salesman's car, rental car, etc...in other words it has some miles on it but never left the dealer's possesion. You can not take a vehicle purchased more than half a year ago and call it "new"...it is far from it. If you twisted #3 to fit the poster's definition, a dealer could sell any current-year trade-in as a brand new car.

As a side note...I wish I could afford to purchase one - let alone two - new vehicles (in one month no less). Save the tears and especially the AG's time for people who really need it.
atasteofreality

Bethlehem, PA

#11 May 30, 2011
And just to make it clear, here is the actual "law" that #3 is taken from (note the part that says "never before registered"):

177.101. Subject vehicles.

(13) Current model year vehicles which are subject vehicles never before registered in this Commonwealth or any other jurisdiction and which have less than 5,000 miles on their odometers.
A Nanny Mouse

Lansdale, PA

#12 May 30, 2011
I bought a 2002 dealer demo in 2004 that had 500 miles on it got the exempt sticker off the lot (#3). Never put more than 5K miles/yr and have yet to have anything but an exempt sticker on it.
Wife's brand new 2009 came with an exempt sticker too (#3).
Bought a used car last summer and although it had less than 5K miles since last inspection I had to have an emmissions inspection because I did not own it for a year before inspection came due (#2).
atasteofreality

Bethlehem, PA

#13 May 30, 2011
Nanny Mouse the '02 demo bought in '04 would not fall under #3 (not "Current Model Year"). For emission purposes that'd be no different than a used car...so I'd guess you got lucky with the first due test for that one and no one caught it :)
john doe 000069

York, PA

#14 May 30, 2011
Face Eraser wrote:
I bought 2 new cars since October 2010
Now it's time for the old RIP OFF of emissions inspection.
I asked two car dealers the same question:
This is June 2011, I've had these 2 cars (purchased new) since October last (2010) I want to do the less expensive 'exempt' emissions test since I drove it less than 5,000 miles.
(would save me $20.oo per car X2 =$40.00 )
Every time I was told "you can't do that, you have to have the car 365 days or more to qualify for the (less expensive) emissions test." LIARS !!
so, I go to the 'service Manager' with my problem.
Service Manager repeated the same lies as all of the service people. MGR said "you have to own the car a FULL 365 days and have driven less than 5,000 miles during that time- to qualify for the less expensive 'exempt' test". LIAR-LIAR......AGAIN.
Don't fall for this.
If you buy a new car and you drive it less than 5,000 before your FIRST emissions test, you qualify for the 'exempt' test.
That saves you between $17.oo and $29.00 for your first 'emissions' test.(depending on your stations pricing)
Do NOT fall for the LIES you hear from the 'inspection' stations.
Actually you do have to own the vehicle a year to go for the 5000 mile exempt test. But the fact that you have two new cars they should be exempt for 5 years. The whole inspection system in Pa is a scam. In the inspection regulations handbook Sub Chapter D Category 4. Just read all the violations that inspection mechanics can have their inspection license suspended. The one major one is Requiring or indicating unnessary repair in order to pass an inspection. If this one regulation would be investigated by acting AG Ryan there would be alot of stations getting busted for ripping people off. I tried to get my 1995 car inspected. One station wanted shocks and struts. The other wanted a track bar, right rear wheel cylinder, muffler and tail pipe, right inter and outer tie rod ends, a drive axle and left tie rod end. I can only imange the different repair list if I would have gone to other inspection stations. The state of Pa has been pulling this scam since 1929. In 1997 I went to school to become an inspection mechanic. I still have a current license to inspect any car or truck that doesn't weigh more than 17,000 pounds. If I were you I would look at your owners manual. In the manual they have people to contact if you have a problem with a dealer. The fact that you purchased 2 cars would probably get the dealer in trouble. Pa State inspection is just a money making scam. PERIOD.
A Nanny Mouse

Lansdale, PA

#15 May 30, 2011
Back in the 70's in Connectitcut a car was safety inspected by the DMV only if it was more than 10 years old when sold. No annual inspections no scams.
john doe 000069

York, PA

#16 May 30, 2011
atasteofreality wrote:
I have been a vocal opponent of the state's emmision tactics, but I gotta say FE is wrong here. A "new vehicle" per #3 refers to a vehicle being purchased from the dealer's lot that may have been a salesman's car, rental car, etc...in other words it has some miles on it but never left the dealer's possesion. You can not take a vehicle purchased more than half a year ago and call it "new"...it is far from it. If you twisted #3 to fit the poster's definition, a dealer could sell any current-year trade-in as a brand new car.
As a side note...I wish I could afford to purchase one - let alone two - new vehicles (in one month no less). Save the tears and especially the AG's time for people who really need it.
You sound like one of those rip off inspection mechanics that like to get people for ball joints an tie rod ends. You probably work on commission so you like to rip people off. The way they Penn Dot does their emission inspections is a joke. I would not be suprised if the software in the emission testing machines could be faked to rip the motorist off. You would probably fail a vehicle if a banner came down too far on the windshield. I am talking about the banners people put on their windshields like It's a Jeep thing. I seen this happen at a tires plus. I also fail to understand why diesel are not emission inspected. All the black soot some of the pickups put out. You know the ones that have those stacks on them instead of comming out of the back of the truck.
A Nanny Mouse

Lansdale, PA

#17 May 30, 2011
My mechanic (owns the garage) is very honest, probably why he isn't rich.
JackT

Wilmington, DE

#18 May 31, 2011
It's your own fault for using a stealship for your inspections and emissions. They will charge you for blinker fluid and muffler bearings.

Use a reputable, private, local sevice center. Only use the dealer for warranty work, you owe them nothing after the sale.
Face Eraser

Allentown, PA

#19 May 31, 2011
A Nanny Mouse wrote:
In the case of #3, call the AG.
You could also make a criminal fraud complaint and make the cops take care of them.
I've had it since October. Has 2,000 today.
Tomorrow morning it goes back.
I'll take whatever I get, I don't want this anymore.
atasteofreality

Bethlehem, PA

#20 May 31, 2011
Face Eraser wrote:
<quoted text>
I've had it since October. Has 2,000 today.
That says it all right there. It is no longer a "new" vehicle as described in the code that makes the law. It is a used vehicle owned less than a year, it doesn't fit any exemption category.

I will definitely give you this though...the state needs to better explain this stuff on their websites. This entire thread is a matter of semantics, while you understandably refer to your vehicle as a new car (because to you it is), it is not new for the purposes of any law regarding new vehicles which are generally defined as a current model year vehicle that has never had a title assigned to it. Once that title is assigned it is officially a used car in the eyes of the state (and pretty much anyone besides the owner...would you pay "new" price for a 6 month old, privately-owned car?).

A good piece of advice for this thread is this...when you buy a new car, don't sign the dotted line without demanding that the dealer put fresh stickers on the car, then you'll get your full year before having to worry about this kind of stuff. The guys you are dealing with are simply following the laws at this point.

For anyone that cares, here is the emission "laws" for PA: http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/067/chapter...

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