Health Insurance Premiums Skyrocket

[ucantbsrius]

interested Observer wrote:

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guess its been a while since you were here, as we pay our taxes and thats it.....no further charges for treatment, no sliding scale, and the only exception is drugs.
If the company you work for doesn't have a drug plan ( mine did ) the individual has to pay.
Seniors, if under the income cap, will get free Pharmacare.
Those who can afford to, pay $400.00 a year for full coverage,

B.C. as well?

[ucantbsrius]

interested Observer wrote:

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Here's one example to disprove your comments.
My husbad had a serious fall, and needed emergency care.
The surgeon, who was to operate, spent an hour talking over the options with my husband, and when hubby said he thought he'd prefer to wait and see if surgery was really necessary, the surgeon agreed to wait, and placed hubby in the ICU for constant monitoring instead.
As it transpired, the surgery proved unnecesary, but hubby wouldn't have been able to make that decision if the doctor hadn't taken so much time to thoroughly explain the options.
I'd say that was a doctor who cared about his patients, wouldn't you?
The rest of your comments are nothing more than urban myths, our system, though not perfect is not ' failing '
As for the gov't dictating how long a procedure can take, I KNOW first hand that is untrue!
YOU don't want UHC, fine, but don't diss what you don't know.

That is something I miss. I am not given enough information.

Thanks for the information.

[ucantbsrius]

interested Observer wrote:

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Here's one example to disprove your comments.
My husbad had a serious fall, and needed emergency care.
The surgeon, who was to operate, spent an hour talking over the options with my husband, and when hubby said he thought he'd prefer to wait and see if surgery was really necessary, the surgeon agreed to wait, and placed hubby in the ICU for constant monitoring instead.
As it transpired, the surgery proved unnecesary, but hubby wouldn't have been able to make that decision if the doctor hadn't taken so much time to thoroughly explain the options.
I'd say that was a doctor who cared about his patients, wouldn't you?
The rest of your comments are nothing more than urban myths, our system, though not perfect is not ' failing '
As for the gov't dictating how long a procedure can take, I KNOW first hand that is untrue!
YOU don't want UHC, fine, but don't diss what you don't know.

It's useless trying to have a discussion with him.

[interested Observer]

ucantbsrius wrote:

<quoted text>B.C. as well?

Dunno about BC., but I'm sure they have a similar plan!

[Wake up]

dickheadjane wrote:

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why dont you go get some mental help at the va since its free an you obviously need it.

\Get a life!

[Ronny Nose]

I wonder if Rome had UHC in place before their downfall.

My guess is yes...

[pythias07]

Rock - Off your meds too long!!!!

[winning side]

Socialize Medicine is the worst thing for the American people, They have this in Canada, and it not all that it's Cracked too be, alot of Candians are comming over to the United states for there medical, My father and Mother go there every year, and guess what my father had problems with his breathing and heart problems, they would'nt take him, why because he was an American, with alot of congoling from other relatives they finaly took him in, and then on top of it they had to put up 500.00 dollor on the spot, but it was too late, my brother took him home to Boston, by the time they got him back to the united states it was too late, he passed away a week later, so now I dont like socialized medicine, and they wont take care of you if you are past a certain age there, so if you want to wait months on end, and wait to see a cancer specialist, or any medical spcialist you will have to wait, and if you are old you will end up passing, good luck if we get this in, injoy your love ones while you have them,

[Sam]

1993 revisited wrote:

After HillaryCare flopped in 1993 Bill was asked why he did not present a new health care plan. He said (this is the truth, folks) that it was not necessary because HMOs had corrected the problem. Now the HMOs are the problem.(They always were!)
Can't you see a pattern here? HMOs have been owned by his biggest contributors. He gave them a head start to make a fortune, milk the system and then get the money to the Bahamas just before he reintroduced a new plan.
Same thing with pharmaceuticals. Kinray, Inc is the pharmaceutical middleman that makes the most money. Again, a big Clinton contributor. The CEO, Stuart Rahr, owns the largest home ever built in New York State.

I thought Hillary was more or less told to sit down and shut up and let Bill run the country. Walk behind her man.

[Andy]

Two anecdotes - one from the US and one from Mexico.

A few months ago my daughter complained of pain in her chest. Although at her age (16) a heart attack would be highly unlikely, she was scared and insisted upon going to the emergency room. They ran the usual EKG, she was fine. It turned out that she was slightly ill and when she threw up at the hospital, the pain went away and they prescribed an anti-nausea medicine and sent us home. The bill, which I had to pay because, though insured, I have a high-deductible policy that I pay for myself, was around $2,000. This was at Stanford University Hospital's emergency room, arguably a top-flight hospital.

Around the same time I was in Mexico with my girlfriend, who sustained a slight puncture wound which called for a Tetanus shot. The local clinic provided it. This was a tiny facility, not much equipment, but sanitary. The bill came to about $14.

I am not trying to compare the quality of healthcare in this two facilities. I am saying, however, that until we fix the underlying cost of medical care, no amount of insurance (which is NOT free, no matter who pays for it - you, your employer, or the government) will fix the problem.

[Radiogirl]

winning side wrote:

Socialize Medicine is the worst thing for the American people, They have this in Canada, and it not all that it's Cracked too be, alot of Candians are comming over to the United states for there medical, My father and Mother go there every year, and guess what my father had problems with his breathing and heart problems, they would'nt take him, why because he was an American, with alot of congoling from other relatives they finaly took him in, and then on top of it they had to put up 500.00 dollor on the spot, but it was too late, my brother took him home to Boston, by the time they got him back to the united states it was too late, he passed away a week later, so now I dont like socialized medicine, and they wont take care of you if you are past a certain age there, so if you want to wait months on end, and wait to see a cancer specialist, or any medical spcialist you will have to wait, and if you are old you will end up passing, good luck if we get this in, injoy your love ones while you have them,

I'm going to have to call BS on your post, I'm Canadian, my aunt is American and she had to go to the hospital here, we do not charge up front fees, we do not deny service to ANYONE. I agree that while some Canadians do cross the border for medical treatment; our wait-times while long are no so outrageous that people are "flocking" to the US. I dont know of anyone no matter where they were from ever being denied treatement in a Canadian hospital nor would they ever be.

I have friends here with Cancer and they didn't have to wait months on end for treatment, my 86yr grandmother was in the hospital and her treament by the nurses went beyond wonderful. I'll take my healthcare that costs me very little any day over a $60K bill for specialized treatment in the US.

[ucantbsrius]

Radiogirl wrote:

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I'm going to have to call BS on your post, I'm Canadian, my aunt is American and she had to go to the hospital here, we do not charge up front fees, we do not deny service to ANYONE. I agree that while some Canadians do cross the border for medical treatment; our wait-times while long are no so outrageous that people are "flocking" to the US. I dont know of anyone no matter where they were from ever being denied treatement in a Canadian hospital nor would they ever be.
I have friends here with Cancer and they didn't have to wait months on end for treatment, my 86yr grandmother was in the hospital and her treament by the nurses went beyond wonderful. I'll take my healthcare that costs me very little any day over a $60K bill for specialized treatment in the US.

Thanks for the truth from the Great White North. I doubted his "facts", I have never heard of anyone being denied.

My Father was a Cop and had followed an Ambulance with an American couple who had been in an accident to the hospital, they were very anxious about the Hospital bill. My father reassured them there would be no problem, not to worry. When they were checked out with minor injuries the man pulled out his wallet, my dad told him to put it away, not to worry, he was in Canada.

[jference]

Jones wrote:

Insurance premiums of companies are skyrocketed because the insurance companies are paying tens of billion dollars annually to lawyers that sue them for 'imaginary' claims.
Radio and TV ads of corrupt slip, fall, and injury lawyers keep promising injured people to get for them more money than other lawyers since they use frivolous lawsuits and other 'tricks'.
When Americans are looking in the internet for information about certain drugs, they find lawyers' websites that call them to send complains about certain drugs if they have any medical problem that can be attributed to the drug so that lawsuit will be filed against the drug companies.
Lawyers are taking advantage of the fact that pain cannot be proved and people can claim that they suffer all kinds of pains and get paid for their false claim through lawyers that take fraudulent claims to court only because they can get 40-50% of any money that their client get for his 'false pains'.
Doctors are being sued by slick lawyers for unproven 'negligence' only because they were not able to fix their client pain.
In addition, Doctors that spent almost third of their life on studying medicine and were taking huge loans are falsely blamed for anything that can go wrong with the health of people of which ‘sky is the limit’.
It is time to limit lawyers to certain claims about health problems that need to be decided by professional Doctors rather than uneducated Jurors.
The result for the huge amount of 'out of control' lawyers’ frivolous lawsuits is skyrocketing insurance premiums of employers, employees, doctors and hospitals to pay the greedy and fraudulent lawyers.
The result of the high insurance premiums is people who cannot pay for the insurance and many of them may suffer or even die.
In addition, doctors and hospitals go bankrupts and doctors are leaving their profession because they are wrongly blamed by fraudulent lawyers for death of people.
It is time to save US healthcare system from the ruthless and greedy lawyers that cause more death of sick people than achieving any kind of justice for their sick people.
Lawyers are ripping off the American people through the insurance companies and it is time to stop them getting windfall of frivolous cases easy money.

It's not lawyers ripping off the insurance system, after all, they've been tort reformed to death. The insurance companies's profits and their high paid executives is what raises costs. And the out of control prescription drug costs raise insurance premiums as well.

[SongBookz]

Dude wrote:

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I'm talking about the fact that we were founded on the principles of liberty and the idea that citizens, unless they violate the rights of another, are to be left alone to live their lives free of government interference. The government is NOT supposed to decide who is more deserving of your property than you are. Intrusive government is exactly the reason that we left jolly old England in the first place. Capitalism isn't what we founded the country on, it's just a natural result of freedom... and capitalism isn't wrong.

From a biblical standpoint, capitalism is the antithesis of Christianity, but that's neither here nor there.

Part of the motivation for the Boston Tea Party was a rebellion against British corporations - which was the reason corporations weren't welcome in America until the 19th century.

And ... one of the primary roles of government for thousands of years is to provide services for the common good of its citizens and this is done through taxation - government deprives you of property in order to build and maintain roads, provide for defense, ensure the safety of food and drugs, build canals - all socialist endeavors.

Of course, socialism doesn't encourage innovation. In their pure forms both capitalism and socialism have drawbacks with capitalism having the most potential for abuse of the populace unless regulated.

[SongBookz]

proudredneck wrote:

Want to talk about the Democrat President that killed tens of thousands of civilians with two Atomic Bombs ?

And how many has Bush killed with one lie?

[SongBookz]

I B Nutz wrote:

I can't wait for Hillary/Obama care. It's the solution for all our ills.

There plan won't work either - but at least we're talking.

[ucantbsrius]

SongBookz wrote:

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There plan won't work either - but at least we're talking.

In my opinion the plan offered by Dennis Kucinich was the best.

[House Doc]

Leria wrote:

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No, that is not the solution, and we should NOT resist socialized medicine. The same bullshit statements that you made were made when France went to a socialized health care system and when Britain did the same. It was a bunch of bullshit for them, it will and would be a bunch of bullshit for us.
It is simply time to move to a socialized health care system in this country and start limiting some of the outrageous charges for medical treatments in this country.
Many of our medicial treatments cost nearly 4 times what they cost in Canada or Britain, based solely on the American people being scammed and soaked by the drug companies and hospitals.
I hate to say that, since my mother works in a hospital, but it is the blunt truth nowadays.

What's needed is an investigation by the justice department. But since this is a justice-FOR-the-criminal country, don't hold your breath. You may wind up in the hospital yourself.

[NWO]

http://www.fdrs.org/club_of_rome_quotations.h...

Club of Rome Quotations
"All economic plans of the Committee meet at the crossroads of Malthus and Frederick Von Hayek, another doom and gloom economist who is sponsored by the Club of Rome. The Austrian born Von Hayek has long been under the control of David Rockefeller, and Von Hayek theories are fairly widely accepted in the United States. According to Von Hayek, the United States economic platform must be based on (a) Urban Black Markets (b) Small Hong Kong-type industries utilizing sweat-shop labor (c) The Tourist Trade,(d) Free Enterprise Zones where speculators can operate unhindered and where the drug trade can flourish (e) End of all industrial activity and (f) Close down all nuclear energy plants so they can control the oil of the world and thus economies. If they can control the oil and there is no alternative they can charge what they want and people will have to pay it"

http://www.fdrs.org/bilderberg_society.html
BILDERBERG SOCIETY: KISSINGER LAYS BARE THE WORLD GOVERNMENT PLAN
“Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence.
It is then that all people of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government.”- Henry Kissinger, transcribed from a tape made by a Swiss delegate at the Bilderberg Meeting on May 21, 1992 in Evian, France.
There’s no question what the Bilderberg Society is focused on. This makes Bush’s “War on Terror” campaign make even more sense, doesn’t it?

[Madison]

Phester O Boyle wrote:

Don't like insurance premiums? Join the military like the rest of us..
Now i get FREE heath care and meds from the VA for life.
If you are too chickenshyt to join or even worse - hate America and Bush then pay thru the nose..I don't care..

As a nurse I do understand your frustration and comments, I am personally too old to join the military, as I am 45 years old. I have saw the healthcare provided to veterans and apparently you have not! Did you know that if you are an illegal immigrant that organ transplants are free in this country? If you are an american citizen even with health insurance it may not cover you depending on your coverage? I am sickened daily. God help us all!