Same-sex marriage backers plan Oregon vote

Feb 11, 2013 Read more: KOMO News 19

Supporters of same-sex marriage say they're aiming at a vote next year to reverse Oregon's ban on gay marriage, which was approved in 2004.

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“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#1 Feb 11, 2013
Maine was very cautious and methodical in its return to the ballot. They spent two years building their ground organization and contacting voters before they decided to put marriage to a vote. They spent the final year with a massive effort to identify, retain, and mobilize equality supporters.

I'd prefer that any state organization planning such a vote make an equally measured, determined, stalwart approach to the scheme. We cannot afford to lose because we underestimated the opposition.

Just to give an idea how massive the effort was: We knocked on every door in Portland four times on election day.[Polling was going so well in Portland that we threw out the lists and encouraged everyone we saw to vote. We'd have missed more votes by targeting only identified supporters.] Starting at 7:00 AM, we pushed residents to go to the polls and checked in to make sure they'd gone between 6:00 and 8:00 PM.

Yes, voters were tired of seeing us come by. Reactions ranged from admiration of our determination to bemusement to annoyance to outright contempt. Fortunately, the last was much more rare than enthusiastic support.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#2 Feb 11, 2013
2014?

While I'd prefer they wait until a presidential election, I trust their judgment. BRO has been contemplating this move for a few years now.

Oregon is a bit different in that they have all mail-in voting which tends to result in a higher turnout even in mid-term elections.

Recent polling was 54% support to 45% opposed; compare that to the 57%-43% margin their ban passed 10 years ago.

This will be another watershed event if we are successful.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#3 Feb 11, 2013
If BRO has a sufficient organization in-place, the mail-in ballots should give them a boost in an off-year election. But that 54% margin is not all-that-big.

In the past, we've been able to count on a 5% difference between polling and ballots--and not in our favor. The last election was different, however, with final results closely matching the polls. I think there has been a fundamental change in the voting booth dynamics. But I'm not counting on it.
texwex

Pittsburgh, PA

#5 Feb 19, 2013
http://youtube.com/watch... Get a Grip on Reality,,,do we have a vote choice really?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#6 Feb 19, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
If BRO has a sufficient organization in-place, the mail-in ballots should give them a boost in an off-year election. But that 54% margin is not all-that-big.
In the past, we've been able to count on a 5% difference between polling and ballots--and not in our favor. The last election was different, however, with final results closely matching the polls. I think there has been a fundamental change in the voting booth dynamics. But I'm not counting on it.
This will all depend on turnout, more so than usual since it will be a midterm election which tends to skew much older in voter turnout.

I dug into their polling numbers, and it looks like it's going to be extremely close. 60% of those over age 55 oppose marriage equality, while 60% of those under age 55 support marriage equality. Based on their 2010 turnout by age, 45% of the electorate is over age 55, while 55% of the electorate is under age 55. It's likely to be a 50-50 vote.

This could literally come down to a handful of votes either way.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#7 Feb 19, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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This will all depend on turnout, more so than usual since it will be a midterm election which tends to skew much older in voter turnout.
That's my point: A mail-in vote favors an active GOTV operation. In all the battles I've seen, we have better GOTV than NOM, mostly because their entire campaigns are imported from out-of-state.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#8 Feb 19, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
<quoted text>
That's my point: A mail-in vote favors an active GOTV operation. In all the battles I've seen, we have better GOTV than NOM, mostly because their entire campaigns are imported from out-of-state.
Well it's gonna take all hands on deck for this to work.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#9 Feb 19, 2013
What needs to be a strategic concern are the potential concomitant ballot measures and races, district by district.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#10 Feb 19, 2013
Maybe they should try to decriminalize marijuana at the same time?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#11 Feb 19, 2013
As I predicted the anti-gays are trying to find an activist judge to block this from going to the ballot!

After a decades of listening to them whining and demanding a vote of the people, now all of a sudden they're opposed to the people voting? Gee, I wonder why that is?!

Just as happened in Ohio, the MINUTE the anti-gays realize it's possible they might actually lose a vote of the people, they suddenly don't want this to be voted on by the people anymore.

F-ING HYPOCRITES!

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#12 Feb 19, 2013
On a related matter, there are also reports from Minnesota that the GOPasaurs there are willing to support a civil unions bill if the Dems agree not to put a marriage bill up for a vote.

After refusing to allow ANY recognition for same-sex couples for decades, all of a sudden the GOPasaurs are now willing to support civil unions? Gee, I wonder why??

F-ING HYPOCRITES!!

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#13 Feb 19, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
As I predicted the anti-gays are trying to find an activist judge to block this from going to the ballot!

After a decades of listening to them whining and demanding a vote of the people, now all of a sudden they're opposed to the people voting? Gee, I wonder why that is?!

Just as happened in Ohio, the MINUTE the anti-gays realize it's possible they might actually lose a vote of the people, they suddenly don't want this to be voted on by the people anymore.

F-ING HYPOCRITES!
Duh. They're hypocrites. No surprise there. We knew they'd switch sides on their screeching, "LET THE PEOPLE VOTE!!" the minute the tide turned against their hate. Why not?

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#14 Feb 19, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
On a related matter, there are also reports from Minnesota that the GOPasaurs there are willing to support a civil unions bill if the Dems agree not to put a marriage bill up for a vote.

After refusing to allow ANY recognition for same-sex couples for decades, all of a sudden the GOPasaurs are now willing to support civil unions? Gee, I wonder why??

F-ING HYPOCRITES!!
Because they're l-o-s-i-n-g. Isn't it great??

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#15 Feb 19, 2013
eJohn wrote:
<quoted text>
Duh. They're hypocrites. No surprise there. We knew they'd switch sides on their screeching, "LET THE PEOPLE VOTE!!" the minute the tide turned against their hate. Why not?
It still just amazes me, and of course they can't see their hypocrisy.

They act like once it's been voted on it can never be voted on again. In fact, that's the most common argument they use- "but we already voted on this......"!

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#16 Feb 19, 2013
eJohn wrote:
<quoted text>
Because they're l-o-s-i-n-g. Isn't it great??
Yeah, and they wonder why we might want to "throw it in their faces" or "cram it down their throats"!

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#17 Feb 19, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>It still just amazes me, and of course they can't see their hypocrisy.

They act like once it's been voted on it can never be voted on again. In fact, that's the most common argument they use- "but we already voted on this......"!
Well, that's because most 5th graders have a better understanding of our system of government than most of the idiots that think we're a democracy and whatever the people vote for is the law.

And, sadly, those idiots keep voting their equally clueless friends into congress. God bless America, huh?

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#18 Feb 19, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, and they wonder why we might want to "throw it in their faces" or "cram it down their throats"!
Because its FUN! Why else??

:-)

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#19 Feb 19, 2013
eJohn wrote:
<quoted text>
Because its FUN! Why else??
:-)
Well I predict years of fun to come!

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#20 Feb 19, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>Well I predict years of fun to come!
Yep! All the more reason why they should give up now and go away. We might gloat less if they do.

Nah. I'm gonna flaunt it and rub their hypocritical noses in it every chance I get.

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