Palin told us so

Palin told us so

There are 28 comments on the Lowell Sun story from Jan 7, 2011, titled Palin told us so. In it, Lowell Sun reports that:

Sarah Palin deserves an apology. When she said that the new health-care law would lead to "death panels" deciding who gets life-saving treatment and who does not, she was roundly denounced and ridiculed.

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GeoffreyF

Lowell, MA

#1 Jan 7, 2011
Is the Lowell Sun for real printing this dishonest crap?

This is not what is in health care reform, it's not as reported.

What is also not mentioned is that insurance company bureaucrats already have the power of life and death over their customers.
seeking truth

Webster, MA

#2 Jan 7, 2011
Just more conservative baloney from Cal. Perhaps he should visit an intensive care unit where the elderly with terminal diseases are being kept alive because they never had "the discussion" about end of life care with either their physician or family members, and now the family is too much in remorse to consider withdrawal of care. Such a waste of a person's life, dying unnecessarily on a ventilator as opposed to at home with family at the bedside. Unfortunately the right has taken this up as their mantle to again discredit the President in their blind desires to take over.
Open your Eyes

Tewksbury, MA

#3 Jan 7, 2011
Liberals living in denial are hazardous to our health

Death Panels were removed and reinstated by Dr. Berwick Obama’s choice, a wealthy Liberal from Harvard with the attitude of Bernard Shaw
Patriot

Lowell, MA

#4 Jan 7, 2011
Gosh darn it, Cal is so right on!

Let's make SURE that Sarah is the Repooblican's candidate for President! I'm sending her ANOTHER $25.

GO SARAH! GO CAL! w00t! I'm lovin' it! Yay!
Mama Grizzly

Hampton, NH

#5 Jan 7, 2011
I hope she wears some salmon-scented perfume when she's out there in grizzly country.LOL
Tony

Tewksbury, MA

#6 Jan 7, 2011
Sarah was right about the death panels, but it still remains to be seen 1.) if she even runs and/or 2.) if she's electable.
she does deserve an apology, but it'll have to be a subfreezing day in hell before she ever gets one from one or any of the top liberals.
Tired of mudslinging

North Chelmsford, MA

#8 Jan 7, 2011
Tony wrote:
Sarah was right about the death panels, but it still remains to be seen 1.) if she even runs and/or 2.) if she's electable.
she does deserve an apology, but it'll have to be a subfreezing day in hell before she ever gets one from one or any of the top liberals.
If she is so concerned about death panels why isn't she taking the insurance companies to task for denying life saving treatments to patients due to cost?
Keynesian Way

Kladno, Czech Republic

#9 Jan 7, 2011
Tired of mudslinging wrote:
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If she is so concerned about death panels why isn't she taking the insurance companies to task for denying life saving treatments to patients due to cost?
Because that's what moonbats like you are for.
libs ain't happy unless they're miserable, so go be miserable, we enjoy the show.

Since: Apr 07

Nashville, TN

#11 Jan 7, 2011
seeking truth wrote:
Just more conservative baloney from Cal. Perhaps he should visit an intensive care unit where the elderly with terminal diseases are being kept alive because they never had "the discussion" about end of life care with either their physician or family members, and now the family is too much in remorse to consider withdrawal of care. Such a waste of a person's life, dying unnecessarily on a ventilator as opposed to at home with family at the bedside. Unfortunately the right has taken this up as their mantle to again discredit the President in their blind desires to take over.
Actually your information is a little lacking.

Obama eliminated the end of life counseling so it is no longer on the table. That is until the Democrats retake control in 2012. Or at least that is the plan.

The end of life counseling along with the medicate treatment was a way of legalizing assisted suicide. Presently many people have what is called a living will. Both of my parents have one and soon I too will have one. It tells the doctors and hospitals exactly what kind of care they will receive if and/or when a person become unable to speak for themselves. Therefore the end of life counseling is in fact a form of death panel.

Then there is the thing about if a person refuses to buy health insurance they can and will be sent to jail. Oh yea the Democrats don't like to talk about that one. That is why they hide it. You see it goes like this if a person refuses to buy health insurance the IRS will fine them. then if they refuse to pay the fine th3ey will be incarcerated for failure to pay the fine which they got for refusing to buy health insurance.

This entire bill must be repealed and the government FORCED to pay 100% of its liabilities to our Veterans and seniors on Medicare. It is not the private sector that is broken and is in need of fixing. It is the government programs such as Military Retiree health care, Medicare and Medicaid that are broken and are in need of fixing.

My name is Jim Hayden and I am the next American President.
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celticwarriors

Bay Pines, FL

#12 Jan 7, 2011
Palin owes intelligent people and wildlife everywhere apologies for her neverending presence on corporate media. Ask that mean governor of Arizona about death panels. She gleefully lets her citizens die while waiting for transplants, and chooses to fund prisons instead. Palin, Bachman, Virginia Fox, all heartless shills for big money. And these souless babes are the GOPs hotties. Please get them off this planet, maybe they'll trip over their bazookas while answering the doorbell to one of their locked and loaded teabigots. Or a witch.
Mel

Nashua, NH

#13 Jan 14, 2011
Look, Cal, end-of-life counseling is NOT in any way condemning people to death. That's complete hogwash. Elderly - and hell, young, for that matter - people need to know what their end-of-life options ARE, hence the counseling. Many of us would really rather not continue to receive treatment in extreme circumstances, and it's good to know that we have the power to preemptively make that decision. Some, on the other hand, want to be kept alive by all means possible; that's okay to decide too. The point is that if people don't know their options, they can't make an informed decision. This kind of fear-mongering is ridiculous, unwarranted, and frankly disappointing to see in this publication.

Since: Apr 07

Nashville, TN

#14 Jan 14, 2011
Mel wrote:
Look, Cal, end-of-life counseling is NOT in any way condemning people to death. That's complete hogwash. Elderly - and hell, young, for that matter - people need to know what their end-of-life options ARE, hence the counseling. Many of us would really rather not continue to receive treatment in extreme circumstances, and it's good to know that we have the power to preemptively make that decision. Some, on the other hand, want to be kept alive by all means possible; that's okay to decide too. The point is that if people don't know their options, they can't make an informed decision. This kind of fear-mongering is ridiculous, unwarranted, and frankly disappointing to see in this publication.
2 problems with this line of thinking.

(1) There are already what are called living wills which dictate the treatment a person receives when they are unable to speak for themselves.

(2) Under Obama care a person over the age of 70 will receive drugs to ease their suffering and "end of Life" counseling. A left way of saying assisted suicide.

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out of curiosity

Lowell, MA

#15 Jan 14, 2011
Tony wrote:
Sarah was right about the death panels, but it still remains to be seen 1.) if she even runs and/or 2.) if she's electable.
she does deserve an apology, but it'll have to be a subfreezing day in hell before she ever gets one from one or any of the top liberals.
On what grounds does Sarah Palin deserve an apology? And who would be making this apology?
it is what it is

Brooksville, FL

#16 Jan 14, 2011
1982 - Left college in Hawaii because there were “too many Asians there”, according to her dad
1984 – Miss Wasilla
1987 - Graduated with Communications degree after changing colleges 4 times
1988 – Worked as sportscaster and sports reporter
1988 - Eloped because she was pregnant
1992 – 1996 – Wasilla (population 5469) City Council
1st term, won election with 530 votes
2nd term, won election with 413 votes
1996-2002 – Wasilla Mayor
Won first term with 661 votes
Palin got 661 votes to be mayor, then created a position for an assistant to do the work
she was elected to do.
2003 – Palin was appointed, by governor in whose campaign she worked to the Alaska Oil &
Gas Conservation Commission, a plum patronage job

2004 - Palin quit

2006-2009 – Governor of Alaska (population 626,932, about 1/3 the size of the Austin, TX ,
Metro area, or the size of El Paso or Seattle)

2009 – Palin quit
taxaholic

Westford, MA

#17 Jan 14, 2011
To the author
you sir, are a moron

Since: Apr 07

Nashville, TN

#19 Jan 14, 2011
it is what it is wrote:
1982 - Left college in Hawaii because there were “too many Asians there”, according to her dad
1984 – Miss Wasilla
1987 - Graduated with Communications degree after changing colleges 4 times
1988 – Worked as sportscaster and sports reporter
1988 - Eloped because she was pregnant
1992 – 1996 – Wasilla (population 5469) City Council
1st term, won election with 530 votes
2nd term, won election with 413 votes
1996-2002 – Wasilla Mayor
Won first term with 661 votes
Palin got 661 votes to be mayor, then created a position for an assistant to do the work
she was elected to do.
2003 – Palin was appointed, by governor in whose campaign she worked to the Alaska Oil &
Gas Conservation Commission, a plum patronage job
2004 - Palin quit
2006-2009 – Governor of Alaska (population 626,932, about 1/3 the size of the Austin, TX ,
Metro area, or the size of El Paso or Seattle)
2009 – Palin quit
She is a quitter.

What more can I say.

My name is Jim Hayden and I am the next American President.
FB Jim Hayden for President in 2012
realist

Billerica, MA

#20 Jan 15, 2011
Jim Hayden wrote:
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2 problems with this line of thinking.
(1) There are already what are called living wills which dictate the treatment a person receives when they are unable to speak for themselves.
(2) Under Obama care a person over the age of 70 will receive drugs to ease their suffering and "end of Life" counseling. A left way of saying assisted suicide.
My name is Jim Hayden and I am the next American President. FB Jim Hayden for President in 2012
(1) So you think everyone living in the USA has an extra $500.00 lying around to have a living will drafted up? Is this really a realistic suggestion? To put it in perspective, a quarter of all United States children are living in extreme poverty. This would only be an option for the middle and upper classes.

(2) 90% of the elderly are already doped up. I'm talking serious poly-pharmacy here not a few Geritol. You can thank big pharma in cahoots with the medical professionals who receive large kickbacks for prescribing. There is no emphasis in this country on holistic alternatives or eastern medicine as that would hit the wallets of those who profit from sick people who rely on costly treatments and drugs.

I grew up with a friend of mine whose father was the head of R & D for a very prolific pharmaceutical company. One day at a cook-out, dad got a little too drunk and talked about how there are known cures for many cancers (such as DCA look it up) but that they would stand to lose millions in costly drug profits. Think about it. A very cheap medication to cure cancer versus costly medications and treatments such as chemo.

Truth of the matter is, the FDA is in bed with these big pharma co's and the high income elite who have millions in stock. They need to protect that stock by way of campaign contributions and lobbyists who work hard to ensure big pharma keeps raking in the dough. I've seen first hand unnecessary operations for those dying of cancer in stage 5. Who is profiting off of this? The person died the next day. Her parents were elderly and didn't know any better so they opted for surgery because they were talked into it by the professionals who gave them false hope. They knew damn right well it wouldn't save her life. I see nothing wrong with end of life counseling if conducted by an outside party who stands to gain nothing. Too many people are kept alive on machines or have unnecessary medical treatments because they put their trust in the medical community and don't know any better. And I'm not anti-medicine, anti-doctor. I just know there is corruption and not every doctor out there has your best interest in mind, especially if your going to die anyway. Why not make some money off you before you check out. Most people do not do enough of their own research on their medical conditions and blindly buy into whatever treatment or medicine is prescribed without question.

Since: Apr 07

Nashville, TN

#21 Jan 15, 2011
realist wrote:
<quoted text>
(1) So you think everyone living in the USA has an extra $500.00 lying around to have a living will drafted up? Is this really a realistic suggestion? To put it in perspective, a quarter of all United States children are living in extreme poverty. This would only be an option for the middle and upper classes.
(2) 90% of the elderly are already doped up. I'm talking serious poly-pharmacy here not a few Geritol. You can thank big pharma in cahoots with the medical professionals who receive large kickbacks for prescribing. There is no emphasis in this country on holistic alternatives or eastern medicine as that would hit the wallets of those who profit from sick people who rely on costly treatments and drugs.
I grew up with a friend of mine whose father was the head of R & D for a very prolific pharmaceutical company. One day at a cook-out, dad got a little too drunk and talked about how there are known cures for many cancers (such as DCA look it up) but that they would stand to lose millions in costly drug profits. Think about it. A very cheap medication to cure cancer versus costly medications and treatments such as chemo.
Truth of the matter is, the FDA is in bed with these big pharma co's and the high income elite who have millions in stock. They need to protect that stock by way of campaign contributions and lobbyists who work hard to ensure big pharma keeps raking in the dough. I've seen first hand unnecessary operations for those dying of cancer in stage 5. Who is profiting off of this? The person died the next day. Her parents were elderly and didn't know any better so they opted for surgery because they were talked into it by the professionals who gave them false hope. They knew damn right well it wouldn't save her life. I see nothing wrong with end of life counseling if conducted by an outside party who stands to gain nothing. Too many people are kept alive on machines or have unnecessary medical treatments because they put their trust in the medical community and don't know any better. And I'm not anti-medicine, anti-doctor. I just know there is corruption and not every doctor out there has your best interest in mind, especially if your going to die anyway. Why not make some money off you before you check out. Most people do not do enough of their own research on their medical conditions and blindly buy into whatever treatment or medicine is prescribed without question.
I agree with your last statement however a person is able to get as living will for free if they want one.
LegacyWriter
http://www.legacywriter.com/livingwill.asp...

This is only one of many.

My name is Jim Hayden and I am the next American President.
FB Jim Hayden for President in 2012

Since: Apr 07

Nashville, TN

#22 Jan 15, 2011
realist wrote:
<quoted text>
Truth of the matter is, the FDA is in bed with these big pharma co's and the high income elite who have millions in stock. They need to protect that stock by way of campaign contributions and lobbyists who work hard to ensure big pharma keeps raking in the dough. I've seen first hand unnecessary operations for those dying of cancer in stage 5. Who is profiting off of this? The person died the next day. Her parents were elderly and didn't know any better so they opted for surgery because they were talked into it by the professionals who gave them false hope. They knew damn right well it wouldn't save her life. I see nothing wrong with end of life counseling if conducted by an outside party who stands to gain nothing. Too many people are kept alive on machines or have unnecessary medical treatments because they put their trust in the medical community and don't know any better. And I'm not anti-medicine, anti-doctor. I just know there is corruption and not every doctor out there has your best interest in mind, especially if your going to die anyway. Why not make some money off you before you check out. Most people do not do enough of their own research on their medical conditions and blindly buy into whatever treatment or medicine is prescribed without question.
Actually if you want to know the truth the annual flu shots are loaded with mercury and no telling what else. We are being set up for a major medical disaster by the chemical companies. Think about it.

Now under ObamaCare we are looking at a value based health care system similar to that of the Department of Veterans Affairs. That is to say if a patent is a burden, takes up too much of the medical staffs time and will never be able to return to work they will be given "End of Life Counseling". That is to say they will be told that they, their family and their employer would all be better off if they were to die and given assisted suicide training. You see under "Value Based" medical care those who are chronic and those with permanent disabilities and conditions who need extensive medical care are killed so the money saved could be better spent on healthier patients who will be able to return to work after treatment.

Yes what you are saying is true we are over medicating ourselves from birth to death. That is a reality that we must reverse. Check out Super Bugs Pandemics.

Our food supply has been contaminated with chemicals to induce us to over eat and over consume. Our entertainment has been polluted with mindless violence and hate. While our education system is failing to educate our children. Heck we have people believing conspiracy theories that if they had a proper education wouldn't give them a second thought. Then there are the liberals who love to spread hate and discourse so they can push their agenda unnoticed upon an under educated population. The truly sad part about all of this is the fact that once the liberals get what they want the first thing the new government does is kill off all of the lawyers, judges and educators. Go figure.

My name is Jim Hayden and I am the next American President.
FB Jim Hayden for President in 2012
really

Lowell, MA

#23 Jan 16, 2011
Most everyone in my family has a living will, didn't cost us anything.I brought ours to our bank and got it notorized for free. Where the hell did you get that figure.

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