OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, Sta...

OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, State Question 756

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Agnostic

Oklahoma City, OK

#64059 Mar 26, 2014
Then add Republican snake hunts that went no where like trying to outlaw Sharia.....that's so funny because of the Christian sharia cases were fighting in the Supreme Court today....

Money on food stamps for people, unemployment...health care....Repubs won't hear of it....millions for Issa witch hunts....always!
Agnostic

Oklahoma City, OK

#64060 Mar 26, 2014
Small government...fiscally responsible????

Republicans have sure shown that to be the biggest lie of the 21st Century so far....
Agnostic

Oklahoma City, OK

#64061 Mar 26, 2014
Republicans waste billions....like the money they spent on Bill Clinton's BJ.....
It's their history and mindset...
Agnostic

Oklahoma City, OK

#64062 Mar 26, 2014
Republican myths --- fiscally responsible and military geniuses (Iraq)...and they send the country into an economic tailspin when they are in charge.....

Yeah...that's all the US needs is to put them back in charge!!!!! Hell No!
Agnostic

Oklahoma City, OK

#64063 Mar 26, 2014
Hobby Lobby claims to be so Christian that they need to have their health care dollars they spend on their employees with held from spending on birth control:

And they sure have some funny examples; -----See how Christian we are--we close on Sunday----but not so for the workers in their warehouses and the ones that drive their trucks....

Another funny examples----we don't want our health care money going to fund abortions or birth control-----but we will purchase a majority for China that has a forced birth policies and forced abortions policies because we love those bill bucks from those laborers that make little wages....WE LOVE that....

Hobby lobby didn't have any problem that their health care dollars were going for health insurance policies that included birth control before----not until the ACA came along-----then we discovered we have a problem!!!
Packing Heat

Claremore, OK

#64064 Mar 26, 2014
Agnostic wrote:
Hobby Lobby claims to be so Christian that they need to have their health care dollars they spend on their employees with held from spending on birth control:
And they sure have some funny examples; -----See how Christian we are--we close on Sunday----but not so for the workers in their warehouses and the ones that drive their trucks....
Another funny examples----we don't want our health care money going to fund abortions or birth control-----but we will purchase a majority for China that has a forced birth policies and forced abortions policies because we love those bill bucks from those laborers that make little wages....WE LOVE that....
Hobby lobby didn't have any problem that their health care dollars were going for health insurance policies that included birth control before----not until the ACA came along-----then we discovered we have a problem!!!


You're such a dumbass or outright Damn Liar... I say BOTH!
You don't even know that Hobby Lobby still has no problem with birth control.

In fact they have no issue with 16 forms of birth control.

The issue is 4 forms of birth control AFTER the egg is fertilized, but you are a clueless idiot that will not understand even that or you keep the Progressive Democrat Lie going.

Which is it bitch?
Packing Heat

Claremore, OK

#64065 Mar 26, 2014
Definition of a Liberal...

A gullible sucker who claims to have a political view that is liberal but...
is obviously completely ignorant of the facts and/or history, or will blatantly ignore them.

A person that has little or no respect for anything or anyone that has contributed to their lives in practical ways.

A person who has based their political view on the fact that they either want everything given to them without earning it, or will habitually blame others for their own mistakes.

Traditionally a person with a narcissistic, holier than thou personality that is unable to face reality, and will spend more time tearing others down, rather than doing what is needed to build themselves up.

Typically those who are Godless and immoral much like Baby Killer Karen Janbaz aka: Agnasty.
Packing Heat

Claremore, OK

#64066 Mar 26, 2014
Vote for Afghanistan War:

House
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Dems 206 for, 1 against
GOP 214 for, 0 against
http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Votes/House/...
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Senate
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Dems 50 for, 0 against
GOP 48 for, 0 against (2 not voting)
http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Votes/Senate...
Agnostic

Oklahoma City, OK

#64067 Mar 26, 2014
Gee Heat...you can hold up the vote for the Iraq war all you want....since the administration lied through their teeth about it.....and mislead everyone...

If we were like Repubs....we would still be holding hearing on the Bush Administration and turn them over to the Hague...especially for torture...since their favorite waterboarding...got Japanease hung for it by the US....

You can call me every name in the book Heat and you have....but that won't change Republican history.....and their games their still playing and the billions that they through in the trash can.....really trillions when you count Republican administrations....
Agnostic

Oklahoma City, OK

#64068 Mar 26, 2014
Packing Heat wrote:
<quoted text>
You're such a dumbass or outright Damn Liar... I say BOTH!
You don't even know that Hobby Lobby still has no problem with birth control.
In fact they have no issue with 16 forms of birth control.
The issue is 4 forms of birth control AFTER the egg is fertilized, but you are a clueless idiot that will not understand even that or you keep the Progressive Democrat Lie going.
Which is it bitch?
Hobby Lobby doesn't have any problem with forced abortions and slave labor if it makes them a profit....since a majority of their product come from China...their morals correspond with their bottom line..

Plus their employee insurance contribution is employee compensation and the employee still has to pay another portion for their health insurance...so their forcing their religious beliefs on their employees......

Plus the one SC justice asked them why didn't they drop all their health care plans and pay the fine and have their employees get health care through the ACA exchanges.......They said providing health care was a part of their Religious beliefs...lol...except for their part time employees...lol
Agnostic

Oklahoma City, OK

#64069 Mar 26, 2014
Conservatives Have Figured Out A Disturbingly Effective Strategy: Tell Lots And Lots of Lies

Conservative: I don’t want to pay for your abortifacients!

Liberal: Look, there are two lies in there. One, you are not “paying for” my contraception. That’s just how health care plans work, where everyone pays into a pool and we draw out what we need—

Conservative: But this is abortion and abortion is evil evil evil!

Liberal: The contraception mandate does not cover abortion. It covers contraception, which prevents pregnancy—

Conservative: But contraception works by killing fertilized eggs! That is abortion!

Liberal: Look, that’s two lies again. One, there is no evidence that most hormonal contraception has any effect on fertilized eggs and even if it did, that is not abortion, because pregnancy begins at implantation, not fertilization.

Conservative:(COMPLETELY AND AGGRESSIVELY IGNORING THE FIRST POINT, LIKE A COMPLETE ASSHOLE) But killing fertilized eggs is abortion! I believe life begins at conception!

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Packing Heat

Claremore, OK

#64070 Mar 26, 2014
Agnostic wrote:
Gee Heat...you can hold up the vote for the Iraq war all you want....since the administration lied through their teeth about it.....and mislead everyone...


Go ahead and go with that since those with common sense already know better. Democrats were raising hell about taking Saddam out long before George W Bush became President and even demanded he take him out after he was elected you ignorant illiterate moron.

Google it bitch... it's all over the internet and I have posted the proof several times right here, you just choose to ignore the truth and keep lying but everyone here knows you for the liar you are.
Agnostic

Oklahoma City, OK

#64071 Mar 26, 2014
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At this point, Liberal has to make an impossible choice. Do they confront the fact that Conservative is completely ignoring the science about how contraception works, or do they try to point out that just because you “believe” that “fertilization” is the start point of a pregnancy doesn't mean it’s true? Either way, you will continue to be screwed by moving goalposts.

Option #1: Confront Conservative on lie about how contraception prevents pregnancy.

Liberal: You completely ignored the fact that “belief” is utterly irrelevant. Hormonal contraception works by suppressing ovulation. It’s a myth based on a deliberately false reading of an outdated FDA label. The overwhelming evidence shows that if you don’t want fertilized eggs to die, the best thing you can do is be on the pill, as it prevents fertilization in the first place.

Conservative: But there was probably some women at some point in history who had a fertilized egg die in her system after she took the pill, and that’s good enough to say that my religion forbids it, and religious liberty means your boss should be able to impose his religion on you by manipulating your benefits package.

Option #2: Confront Conservative on the “when does pregnancy begin” lie.

Liberal: Look, just because you “believe” pregnancy starts at fertilization doesn’t mean that it does! Since so many fertilized eggs fail to attach, regardless of what a woman is doing, scientists pinpoint the start of pregnancy at implantation, not fertilization. Also, this fact shows that you are completely bananas to think a fertilized egg is the same thing as a baby.

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Agnostic

Oklahoma City, OK

#64072 Mar 26, 2014
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Conservative: But I believe that’s “killing” and my belief is enough to trump your rights!

And so on and so forth. If you correct one lie, they jump to another. It’s like falling down a rabbit hole.

Even if you put together a list of the lies so that they are neatly debunked in one place, it won’t change any minds.

Part of the problem is motivated reasoning. Motivated reasoning is when you have a predetermined conclusion, and you just look for evidence to support it.(AS opposed to calmly looking over the evidence with an open mind, and going where it takes you.) Everyone does this, so it’s not like liberals should get too cocky. But motivated reasoning is a much easier to stick with when you have a handful of reasons to believe what you want to believe, instead of just one.

Not only does this strategy mean that while a liberal is debunking one lie, they’re stuck letting another one stand—which is very frustrating!—but it also creates a larger no-win situation, which is how to deal with the fact that your opponent is lying altogether. Your choices are to ignore the lies or to debunk them. Either way, you lose. Letting lies stand reads as complicity and acceptance. However, there’s a fuck ton of research that shows that, when people read a factual debunking of their beliefs, they actually double down and believe even harder. Being corrected, it seems, makes people petulant and more insistent on their lies.

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Agnostic

Oklahoma City, OK

#64074 Mar 26, 2014
The right has figured out, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that lying is a more effective political strategy than telling the truth.

When the right first started to put out feelers to see if they could convince a substantial subset of Americans that there was something sleazy and evil about insurance coverage of contraception—something that had literally been non-controversial for decades—I had my doubts that they would be able to pull it off. And let’s be clear, they didn’t convince most Americans. But they convinced enough Americans that they were able to take it to the Supreme Court, where they very likely convinced five judges (who were, to be fair, already hard-baked misogynists, so didn’t need much convincing). All with one simple formula: Lie, a lot. Drown your opponents in lies. It works so well it’s kind of amazing.
Agnostic

Oklahoma City, OK

#64075 Mar 26, 2014
Oh and it's not just lie upon lie about contraceptive coverage in the ACA: the lies are blossoming forth on Obamacare itself, here's the latest:

"They stole her photo, then claimed she hated Obamacare. She doesn’t.

The Texas blogger...woke up on Saturday to find that she’d become the latest anti-Obamacare posterchild.

The thing is, Helene never signed up for the job.

In fact, she told me yesterday that she’s quite happy with the Affordable Care Act (ACA), and with the “affordable” health care it helped her find.

“Not only do I not agree with what the image is portraying,” Helene wrote me,“I actually have Affordable Healthcare!”

So, if anything, Helene is an Obamacare success story.

Helene says that, rather than posting a photo of her umbrage over being charged (less) for health care under Obamacare, the Tea Partyers had stolen a photo of her distress over a bad dye-job all the way back in 2012.

But that didn’t stop over 17,000 people on Facebook from sharing an image of her face, posted just days ago, with a caption complaining about Obamacare. To add insult to injury, the people who stole her image couldn’t even spell “conspiracy” right.

When in doubt, lie

Regular followers of the health care reform saga will find this story all too familiar.

...when the truth fails them, Republicans fall back on their trusted steed, the lie. And boy have they been lying a lot lately about Obamacare. You see, the Republicans keep trotting out Obamacare “horror stories” that just aren’t panning out."

http://americablog.com/2014/03 ...
Agnostic

Oklahoma City, OK

#64076 Mar 26, 2014
Packing Heat wrote:
Simple question for you Karen Janbaz!
A person wants to f*ck.
Needs another person to f*ck.
Chooses f*cker.
F*ck can commence between the F*cker and F*ckee.
Now the question is...
why should either the F*ckee or the F*cker have any right to demand a third party to pay for their Birth Control?
How is the third party involved in the said f*ck?
Conservative: I don’t want to pay for your abortifacients!

Liberal: Look, there are two lies in there. One, you are not “paying for” my contraception. That’s just how health care plans work, where everyone pays into a pool and we draw out what we need—
Of course... You don't believe in personal responsibility?
Ok, got it.
Not only is your complaint on the list of lies that Republicans tell:

Conservative: I don’t want to pay for your abortifacients!

Liberal: Look, there are two lies in there. One, you are not “paying for” my contraception. That’s just how health care plans work, where everyone pays into a pool and we draw out what we need—

YourConservative: I don’t want to pay for your abortifacients!

Liberal: Look, there are two lies in there. One, you are not “paying for” my contraception. That’s just how health care plans work, where everyone pays into a pool and we draw out what we need—

Your not making the payment for the health insurance, it's part of the compensation package of the employer and the employee also contribute more cash......just as females pay for prostrate illness while not having a prostate...or for Viagra or penis pumps...lol

And you promotion of violence while using my name...I reported it to Topix...which they have a poor followup...but you never know...
Agnostic

Oklahoma City, OK

#64077 Mar 26, 2014
Virginia school reportedly complains 8-year-old girl not feminine enough

An 8-year-old Virginia girl has been taken out of her school after administrators complained she was acting too much like a boy.

WSET-TV reports that the grandparents of Sunnie Kahle received a letter from officials at Timberlake Christian School notifying them that their granddaughter would be refused enrollment next year if she didn't follow the school's "biblical standards" and change her appearance.

The letter reads in part, "We believe that unless Sunnie as well as her family clearly understand that God has made her female and her dress and behavior need to follow suit with her God-ordained identity, that TCS is not the best place for her future education."

An administrator from the school told WSET-TV the problem with Sunnie goes "far beyond her hair length" and that "things disturbed the classroom environment." The administrator said he could not be more specific because of confidentiality agreements. The school did not answer phone calls from FoxNews.com on Wednesday.

Sunnie's grandparents, Doris and Carroll Thompson, told the station they removed Sunnie from Timberlake Christian and enrolled her in a public elementary school after receiving the letter.

"How do you tell a child when she wants to wear pants a shirt, and go out and play in the mud and so forth, how do you tell her,'No you can't, you've got to wear a pink bow in your hair, and you've got to let your hair grow out long.' How do you do that?" Doris Thompson said.

The Thompsons say that despite having short hair, Sunnie identifies as a girl. The letter mentions that students have been confused about whether Sunnie is a boy or girl and notes that students can be refused enrollment over "alternative gender identity."

The Thompsons say they have no plans to re-enroll Sunnie at Timberlake Christian.

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The best thing for this little girl WAS to remove her from such a hostile atmosphere as that Christian school....
Packing Heat

Claremore, OK

#64078 Mar 26, 2014
Agnostic wrote:
<quoted text>
Not only is your complaint on the list of lies that Republicans tell:
Conservative: I don’t want to pay for your abortifacients!
Liberal: Look, there are two lies in there. One, you are not “paying for” my contraception. That’s just how health care plans work, where everyone pays into a pool and we draw out what we need—
YourConservative: I don’t want to pay for your abortifacients!
Liberal: Look, there are two lies in there. One, you are not “paying for” my contraception. That’s just how health care plans work, where everyone pays into a pool and we draw out what we need—
Your not making the payment for the health insurance, it's part of the compensation package of the employer and the employee also contribute more cash......just as females pay for prostrate illness while not having a prostate...or for Viagra or penis pumps...lol
And you promotion of violence while using my name...I reported it to Topix...which they have a poor followup...but you never know...


Yawn... ZZzzzzzzzzzz... you are such a lying bitch with zero credibility here or anywhere on Topix you baby killer so cry me a river.
Agnostic

Oklahoma City, OK

#64079 Mar 26, 2014
Question for others about the Supreme court and Hobby lobby:

Question...my employer pays a portion of my insurance premium. Does this mean that they are actually paying for my insurance, or are they simply taking a portion of my compensation and applying it to my insurance premiums? Since I use a portion of my compensation to pay my house payment, does my employer have any control over the type of house I buy?

Question....I am a Christian and a pacifist....can I refuse to pay my income tax because it go to the military war machine and for war....Cause there is nothing in the Bible about birth control but there are plenty of scripture on war and prohibitions of war.....

Question...Could I refuse to pay state income tax because my religion prohibits the death penalty...and my state has a death penalty..

What a slippery slope.....

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