OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, Sta...

OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, State Question 756

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#21316 Jun 18, 2012
Packing Heat wrote:
David Brooks explains it like this:
In the 1950s, Dwight Eisenhower reconciled Republicans to the 20th-century welfare state. Between Ike and George W. Bush, Republican leaders basically accepted that model. Sure, they wanted to cut taxes and devolve power, but, in practice, they sustained the system, often funding it more lavishly than the Democrats. But many Republicans have now come to the conclusion that the welfare-state model is in its death throes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/15/opinion/bro...
Yeah, bring back the public stocks and debtors prisons. That's what todays Republicans want.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#21317 Jun 18, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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Executive Orders don't go through Congress. That's why they are Executive Orders.
As far as the people, they voted for Obama to lead as President, but just about all that Obama proposes is blocked by the opposition. The opposition even blocks their own long standing proposals when they think passing them may help Obama.
Not a single Republican has been willing to work with Obama on getting immigration reform.
Yes I know what an executive is. But you and I both know if that had been put forth for the people to vote on it would not have gotten off the ground.
Yes you are right that the republicans have not worked with Obama. But I can also say that when democrats had control he would not pay attention nor work with the republicans. There fore here lies the problem with getting this country back on safe grounds.
Packing Heat

United States

#21318 Jun 18, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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If any sane person thinks entitlements are bad with Obama think of a hundred times worse with Romney, and you will have what a Romney Presidency will be like.

Corporations as people, with huge families to support. Y'all ain't seen nothing yet if Romney gets in.

In addition to all of the business tax breaks corporations get, with Romeny they will be able to claim a Head-of-Household deduction with their millions of qualifiers. Think Walmart, Exxon/Mobil, etc.

You think things can't be worse, just put Romney in and begin watching the accelerated decline of this nation.

Entitlements are bad when you get nothing in return where as if it is a handup and the nation as a whole recieves something back toward the handup then that is reasonable. The rest of your nonsense is just more liberal bullshit and you know it. The Supreme Court is the Liberals biggest prize and then to fundamentally destroy America and there is no other way around it. Obama has made that path perfectly clear!
Packing Heat

United States

#21319 Jun 18, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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Yuval Levin: "implement broader government reform".

WMCOL: Government reform without corporate reform is meaningless and a recipe to further soak the masses with hardship by stripping away even more from those least able to lose more.

Romney's background when viewed in its entirety is ideally suited for him to instigate and operate a giant slaughter house.

You are certainly entitled to your unfounded opinion regardless of how wrong it is. We already see how Obama's path has been and it is nothing short of total destruction on Steroids and his record proves that.
Packing Heat

United States

#21320 Jun 18, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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Yeah, bring back the public stocks and debtors prisons. That's what todays Republicans want.

I would certainly be in favor of that with the Wall Street Gangs and Special Interest Groups of both parties.

I challenge you to show any such legislation being promoted by Republicans advocating debtors prison for the citizens at large. Failure to prove it proves your statement like everything else you spew is straight up bullshit on its face!
Where is such legislation?

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#21321 Jun 18, 2012
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>Yes I know what an executive is. But you and I both know if that had been put forth for the people to vote on it would not have gotten off the ground.
Yes you are right that the republicans have not worked with Obama. But I can also say that when democrats had control he would not pay attention nor work with the republicans. There fore here lies the problem with getting this country back on safe grounds.
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Nope, Obama always tried to work with the opposition. The Republicans would not even discuss immigration reform with President Obama.

I'm not saying the President would not take a stand on something that is right but unpopular, but his immigration EO has mjority support througout the nation. Most think it is the right thing to do. Same with his gay marriage support statement. 51% of nation support gay marriage. So he is taking positions that would likely win if voted on. Matter of fact I'm sure he counts the votes before he comes out in support of something. It just happens that what he's been supporting is also the right thing for majority of voters. I still disagree with gay marriage.
Packing Heat

United States

#21322 Jun 18, 2012
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>Yes I know what an executive is. But you and I both know if that had been put forth for the people to vote on it would not have gotten off the ground.
Yes you are right that the republicans have not worked with Obama. But I can also say that when democrats had control he would not pay attention nor work with the republicans. There fore here lies the problem with getting this country back on safe grounds.


Exactly and that is why he must go! Obama is pushing the Liberal Progressive Agenda with all the help he can and has stated as much. He is hell bent on fundamentally changing America anyway he can. He also understands that with a majority of Citizens against any such notion will now have to be forced on everyone by his executive order and hope he can radically change the court during a second term.

To him, the ends justify the means and he will use what ever means he can scrap together to accomplish his goals. How he was able to buy Obamacare into law against the will of the majority proves this fool will stop at nothing and therefore we the American People must stop him and vote him out.

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#21323 Jun 18, 2012
TAMARA wrote:
Well Dusty I would say Obama forced Romney to come up with something on the illegal situation. Yes Romney was right this move by Obama was a political move.He wants to assure the extra voting thing. So I was running against Obama I would have to come up with a good move on this situation. That is what's called playing the game.
What "voting thing" are you talking about Tamara? By and large Latinos don't vote to any great percentage compared to whites. What Obama has done about the young coming here and staying for 20 years doesn't allow them to vote. It may get a few more Latino votes but the Latinos are so alienated from the GOP that there is nothing Obama needs to do to get their vote. Did you see the GOP ad trying to woo Latinos that used Asian pictures? THAT is exactly how alienated the Latino vote is from the GOP. On both sides. Latinos and GOP. That's just rhetoric on your part. Obama already owns the Latino vote.

You are right in one single aspect. By Obama he forces Romney to say "something" and he said nothing outside of the usual babble. This is politics for the swing vote moderates. The Obama campaign is broadening the issues situation to show the moderates that Romney never says anything about anything except that Obama is wrong. Romney has no specific plans for ANYTHING. The more the Obama campaign can show the moderates that Romney has no answers to what he criticizes Obama about the dumber Romney looks. That's the "politics" part of it.

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#21324 Jun 18, 2012
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>He making some happy but then again he has turned many off! I do agree this policy should have gone thru Congress and the House just not the President deciding this policy. Maybe it should have gone to the vote of the people! To many have their own view point about immigrants and more so them going thru the legal steps to be here,
He isn't making anyone unhappy with this executive order that wasn't already a far right winger. Who he could not make happy under any circumstances by being in office. No Dem can. I anti illegal immigrants. I would seal that border with more troops than are in Afghanistan. But you can't claim that a path to citizenship for people who were small children when brought here, who many don't speak Spanish anymore, who could not survive if deported, is wrong. It's the right thing to do. Get them on the tax rolls for God's sake.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#21325 Jun 18, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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Nope, Obama always tried to work with the opposition. The Republicans would not even discuss immigration reform with President Obama.
I'm not saying the President would not take a stand on something that is right but unpopular, but his immigration EO has mjority support througout the nation. Most think it is the right thing to do. Same with his gay marriage support statement. 51% of nation support gay marriage. So he is taking positions that would likely win if voted on. Matter of fact I'm sure he counts the votes before he comes out in support of something. It just happens that what he's been supporting is also the right thing for majority of voters. I still disagree with gay marriage.
Well tell what part of this country is the majority that agrees with what Obama made law about the illegal/legal imigration he himself. Are you saying Oklahoma, Arizona, Texas, New Mexico and even California is on that majority list?
Packing Heat

United States

#21326 Jun 18, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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Nope, Obama always tried to work with the opposition. The Republicans would not even discuss immigration reform with President Obama.

I'm not saying the President would not take a stand on something that is right but unpopular, but his immigration EO has mjority support througout the nation. Most think it is the right thing to do. Same with his gay marriage support statement. 51% of nation support gay marriage. So he is taking positions that would likely win if voted on. Matter of fact I'm sure he counts the votes before he comes out in support of something. It just happens that what he's been supporting is also the right thing for majority of voters. I still disagree with gay marriage.


Nope, Obama has not. Example #1:
Obama Shuts McCain DOWN! Reminds him “The Election Is Over”
President Obama at the health insurance summit, but the President rudely handled him, shutting him down with the reminder that “the election is over.”
In other words he was no longer interested in hearing Republicans idea but insisting Republicans must now agree with Liberal Policy and sit down and shut up!

Obama’s attitude was evident early on, evidenced by this exchange at the Health Care Summit farce.


Example #2
McCain said he had been eager to work with the White House on immigration reform and the line-item veto, but never heard a word back. As ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, he also expected to be consulted on security issues, but was not, he added.

The claims run counter to the narrative put out by the Obama camp that suggest McCain was bitter after his crushing defeat.

“This idea that this president or his people reached out to me is patently false,” McCain told The Hill.“To somehow allege that I didn’t somehow respond to their overtures, that’s patently false. That’s their narrative, and I understand their narrative, but it’s not substantiated by the facts.”

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#21327 Jun 18, 2012
Packing Heat wrote:
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You are certainly entitled to your unfounded opinion regardless of how wrong it is. We already see how Obama's path has been and it is nothing short of total destruction on Steroids and his record proves that.
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"You are certainly entitled to your unfounded opinion regardless of how wrong it is."

As are you and Levin "entitled to your unfounded opinion regardless of how wrong it is."

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#21328 Jun 18, 2012
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>Well tell what part of this country is the majority that agrees with what Obama made law about the illegal/legal imigration he himself. Are you saying Oklahoma, Arizona, Texas, New Mexico and even California is on that majority list?
Oklahoma is a racist state. Poor white people are the majority in Oklahoma. Poor white people are racists almost without exception. You can't include Oklahoma as representative of any program in the nation because Oklahoma is against anything any Dem does at any time. EVER. Even the Dems in Oklahoma are GOP in the vast majority of states. I don't see how you can deny that.

Arizona, Texas and California are heavily impacted Border states. New Mexico while a border state is pro Latino and most run by Latinos. You're comparing apples to oranges.

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#21329 Jun 18, 2012
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>Well tell what part of this country is the majority that agrees with what Obama made law about the illegal/legal imigration he himself. Are you saying Oklahoma, Arizona, Texas, New Mexico and even California is on that majority list?
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Oklahoma just recently went the other way after legislators drummed up support based on racism and minsinformation.

California, Texas, New York, Utah, Illinois, Kansas, New Mexico, Maryland, Connecticut just to name a few states where the majority support Obama on immigration.
Packing Heat

United States

#21330 Jun 18, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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"You are certainly entitled to your unfounded opinion regardless of how wrong it is."
As are you and Levin "entitled to your unfounded opinion regardless of how wrong it is."


I'm reminded of that every day by you but... my argument is correct and I disagree with yours. The reason is Obama's socialism-lite has failed in Europe and UK, Germany, and especially Greece very fast because of the failings of it. Socialism-dark (aka USSR, communist China, Cuba, N. Korea, etc) has failed every time as well.

NOTHING WORSE THAN A FAILED PRESIDENT, AND NOTHING NEW ABOUT A FAILED DEMOCRAT!

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#21331 Jun 18, 2012
Packing Heat wrote:
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I'm reminded of that every day by you but... my argument is correct and I disagree with yours. The reason is Obama's socialism-lite has failed in Europe and UK, Germany, and especially Greece very fast because of the failings of it. Socialism-dark (aka USSR, communist China, Cuba, N. Korea, etc) has failed every time as well.
NOTHING WORSE THAN A FAILED PRESIDENT, AND NOTHING NEW ABOUT A FAILED DEMOCRAT!
And nothing new about your being a right wing Nazi. Nice pig. Family or just dating?

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#21332 Jun 18, 2012
Packing Heat wrote:
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Nope, Obama has not. Example #1:
Obama Shuts McCain DOWN! Reminds him “The Election Is Over”
President Obama at the health insurance summit, but the President rudely handled him, shutting him down with the reminder that “the election is over.”
In other words he was no longer interested in hearing Republicans idea but insisting Republicans must now agree with Liberal Policy and sit down and shut up!
Obama’s attitude was evident early on, evidenced by this exchange at the Health Care Summit farce.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =_i0bDbYUUhYXX
Example #2
McCain said he had been eager to work with the White House on immigration reform and the line-item veto, but never heard a word back. As ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, he also expected to be consulted on security issues, but was not, he added.
The claims run counter to the narrative put out by the Obama camp that suggest McCain was bitter after his crushing defeat.
“This idea that this president or his people reached out to me is patently false,” McCain told The Hill.“To somehow allege that I didn’t somehow respond to their overtures, that’s patently false. That’s their narrative, and I understand their narrative, but it’s not substantiated by the facts.”
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McCain is wrong, and he is not even a member of the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration, nor one of important players on Republican side who oppose Obama and refuse to talk with him about immigration. Obama is right. The opposition comes from those positioned to effect change in immigration.

Arizona Governor Jan Brewer refused to testify at federal committee hearing on immigration. Her state is front and center in the debate.
Justaminute

Oklahoma City, OK

#21333 Jun 18, 2012
Packing Heat wrote:
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I'm reminded of that every day by you but... my argument is correct and I disagree with yours. The reason is Obama's socialism-lite has failed in Europe and UK, Germany, and especially Greece very fast because of the failings of it. Socialism-dark (aka USSR, communist China, Cuba, N. Korea, etc) has failed every time as well.
NOTHING WORSE THAN A FAILED PRESIDENT, AND NOTHING NEW ABOUT A FAILED DEMOCRAT!
No what happened in Greece and Europe happened here. The BANKS and no regulations is what happened and to make the misery that much worst is the right out of the the Republican playbook of Austerity for the masses and do not touch the Rich.

In Greece, it was a corrupt government and their Rich not paying taxes. If you cared to read about it because it's all over the Net. And by the way the bail out is not going to pay to help the 50% poverty it's going to pay back the banks.

It's really funny that the austerity measures Germany and France proposed never reached their military purchases which so happen to be from Germany and France. Take from the middle class while Greece needs to spend on it's military? Why?

Socialism, what socialism? Health care?

The problem is JP Morgan socialism. They take the risk, lose, and we and the rest of Europe have to pay for it while they get a bonus and make 327 times more that the average worker in Europe or the US makes.

Oh and lets talk about the last failed President and his name was BUSH and Romney is just BUSH on steroids.

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#21334 Jun 18, 2012
Packing Heat wrote:
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I'm reminded of that every day by you but... my argument is correct and I disagree with yours. The reason is Obama's socialism-lite has failed in Europe and UK, Germany, and especially Greece very fast because of the failings of it. Socialism-dark (aka USSR, communist China, Cuba, N. Korea, etc) has failed every time as well.
NOTHING WORSE THAN A FAILED PRESIDENT, AND NOTHING NEW ABOUT A FAILED DEMOCRAT!
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My argument is correct and I disagree with yours.

Socialism has NOTHING to do with economic shortcomings in Europe, UK, Germany, Greece, or the USA. If anything is to blame it is oligarchy.
Packing Heat

United States

#21335 Jun 18, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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Oklahoma just recently went the other way after legislators drummed up support based on racism and minsinformation.
California, Texas, New York, Utah, Illinois, Kansas, New Mexico, Maryland, Connecticut just to name a few states where the majority support Obama on immigration.


That is absolute bullshit on its face! President Obama’s decision to extend administrative relief to an estimated 800,000 young illegal immigrants has won favor with Latino voters in key battleground states, according to a new poll, not by the entire states.

Voters in five states with significant portions of Latino voters — Florida, Colorado, Nevada, Virginia and Arizona — were asked about Obama’s new policy of halting deportations and offering temporary work permits to some illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. before they were 16, lived here for at least five years and have clean records.

Forty-nine percent of the Latino voters surveyed said Obama’s move made them more enthusiastic about the president, compared with 14% who were less enthusiastic. Thirty-four percent said it would have no effect on their attitude toward Obama.Voters in five states with significant portions of Latino voters — Florida, Colorado, Nevada, Virginia and Arizona — were asked about Obama’s new policy of halting deportations and offering temporary work permits to some illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. before they were 16, lived here for at least five years and have clean records.

Forty-nine percent of the Latino voters surveyed said Obama’s move made them more enthusiastic about the president, compared with 14% who were less enthusiastic. Thirty-four percent said it would have no effect on their attitude toward Obama. To say all Americans in those states reflect those numbers is a lie, it is Latino Voters.

Under current federal law, to become a citizen with the right to vote, a noncitizen must be a legal resident for five years, pass a test of English proficiency, demonstrate knowledge of U.S. history and government and swear allegiance to the United States of America. Millions of legal immigrants serious about wanting to become Americans have followed these rules, become citizens and are full participants in the American self-governing process. I say, welcome to America.

Apparently, other immigrants, legal and illegal, can’t be bothered with the legal process. They demand the power of voting without the oath of allegiance or the ability to demonstrate any knowledge of the American democratic process.

I say follow the rules. Commit to becoming an American citizen and follow the proper channels then come back and we can talk. But right now we need every job we can muster for our own legal citizens first and I believe most tax-paying Americans support that idea the most.

Prove me wrong!

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