IS BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA THE ANTI CHRIST? read on...

[TFALLEN]

I've yet to see a good answer to this question: What makes the bible any more true than the Iliad?

[sljc]

Hello Everyone,

Barry Hussein Obama = A Communist, Anti-Christ (AC AC)

The Lord created the universe and all things of it by means of the sun which is the first proceeding of Divine love and Divine wisdom

By “the Lord” is meant God from eternity, that is, Jehovah, who is called father and creator, because he is one with him.

That all things in the universe were created by Divine love and Divine wisdom; here now it is to be shown that this was done by means of the sun, which is the first proceeding of Divine love and Divine wisdom. No one who is capable of seeing effects from causes, and afterwards by causes effects in their order and sequence, can deny that the sun is the first of creation, for all the things that are in its world have perpetual existence from it; and
because they have perpetual existence from it, their existence was derived from it. The one involves and is proof of the other; for all things are under the sun's view, since it is determined that they should be, and to hold under its view is to determine perpetually; therefore it is said that subsistence is perpetual existence. If, moreover, anything were to be withdrawn entirely from the sun's influx through the atmospheres, it would instantly be dissipated; for the atmospheres, which are purer and purer, and are rendered active in power by the sun, hold all things in connection. Since, then, the perpetual existence of the universe, and of everything pertaining to it, is from the sun, it is plain that the sun is the first creation, from which [is all else]. The sun is spoken of as creating, but this means the Lord, by means of the sun; for the sun also was created by the Lord.

There are two suns through which all things were created by the Lord, the sun of the spiritual world and the sun of the natural world. All things were created by the Lord through the sun of the spiritual world, but not through the sun of the natural world, since the latter is far below the former; it is in middle distance; above it is the spiritual world and below it is the natural world. This sun of the natural world was created to render aid, as a kind of substitute; this aid will be spoken of in what follows.

The universe and all things thereof were created by the Lord, the sun of the spiritual world serving as a medium, because that sun is the first proceeding of Divine love and Divine wisdom, and from Divine love and Divine wisdom all things are. In everything created, greatest as well as least, there are these three, end, cause and effect. A created thing in which these three are not, is impossible. In what is greatest, that is, in the universe, these three exist in the following order; in the sun, which is the first proceeding of the Divine love and Divine wisdom, is the end of all things; in the spiritual world are the causes of all things; in the natural world are the effects of all things. How these three are in things first and in things last shall be shown in what follows. Since, then, no created thing is possible in which these three are not, it follows that the universe and all things of it were created by the Lord through the sun, wherein is the end of all things.

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[sljc]

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Creation itself cannot be brought within man's comprehension unless space and time are removed from thought; but if these are removed, it can be comprehended. Removing these if you can, or as much as you can, and keeping the mind in ideas abstracted from space and time, you will perceive that there is no difference between the maximum of space and the minimum of space; and then you cannot but have a similar idea of the creation of the universe as of the creation of the particulars therein; you will also perceive that diversity in created thing springs from this, that there are infinite things in God-man, consequently things without limit in the sun which is the first proceeding from him; these countless things take form, as in an image, in the created universe.

From this it is that no one thing can anywhere be precisely the same as another. From this comes that variety of all things which is presented to sight, in the natural world, together with space, but in the spiritual world with appearance of space; and it is a variety both of generals and of particulars. These are the things that have been pointed out in God-man infinite things are one distinctly; that things in the universe were created by Divine Love and Divine wisdom; that all things in the created universe are recipients of the Divine love and of the Divine wisdom of God-man; that the Divine is not in space; that the Divine apart from space fills all spaces; that the Divine is the same in things greatest and least.

The creation of the universe, and of all things of it, cannot be said to have been wrought from space to space, or from time to time, thus progressively and successively, but from eternity and from infinity; not from eternity of time, because there is no such thing, but from eternity not of time, for this is the same with the Divine; nor from infinity of space, because again there is no such thing, but from infinity not of space, which also is the same with Divine. These things, I know, transcend the ideas of thoughts that are in natural light, but they do not transcend the ideas of thoughts that are in spiritual light, for in these there is nothing of space and time. Neither do they wholly transcend ideas that are in natural light; for when it is said that infinity of space is not possible, this is affirmed by everyone from reason. It is the same with eternity, for this is infinity of time. If you say “to eternity,: it is comprehensible from time; but “form eternity” is not comprehensible, unless time is removed.

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[sljc]

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The sun of the natural world is pure fire, consequently dead; nature also is dead, because it derives its origin from that sun

Creation itself cannot be ascribed in the least to the sun of the natural world, but must be wholly ascribed to the sun of the spiritual world; because the sun of the natural world is altogether dead; but the sun of the spiritual world is living; for it is the first proceeding of Divine love and Divine wisdom; and what is dead does not act at all from itself, but is acted upon; consequently to ascribe to it anything of creation would be like ascribing the work of an artificer to the tool which is moved by his hands. The sun of the natural world is pure fire from which everything of life has been withdrawn; but the sun of the spiritual world is fire in which is Divine life. The angelic idea of the fire of the sun of the natural world, and of the fire of the sun of the spiritual world, is this; that in the fire of the sun of the spiritual world the Divine life is within, but in the fire of the sun of the natural world it is without. From this it can be seen that the actuating power of the natural sun is not from itself, but from a living force proceeding from the sun of the spiritual world; consequently if the living force of that sun were withdrawn or taken away, the natural sun would have no vital power. For this reason the worship of the sun is the lowest of all the forms of God-worship, for it is wholly dead, as the sun itself is, and therefore in the Word it is called “abomination.”

As the sun of the natural world is pure fire, and therefore dead, the heat proceeding from it is also dead, likewise the light proceeding from it is dead; so also are the atmospheres, which are called ether and air, and which receive in their bosom and carry down the heat and light of that sun; and as these are dead so are each and all things of the earth which are beneath the atmospheres, and are called soils, yet these, one and all, are encompassed by what is spiritual, proceeding and flowing forth from the sun of the spiritual world. Unless they had been so encompassed, the soils could not have been stirred into activity, and have produced forms of uses, which are plants, nor forms of life, which are animals; nor could have supplied the materials by which man begins and continues to exist.

Now since nature begins from that sun, and all that springs forth and continues to exist from it is called natural, it follows that nature, with each and every thing pertaining thereto, is dead. It appears in man and animal as if alive, because of the life which accompanies and actuates it.

Since these lowest things of nature which form the lands are dead, and are not changeable and varying according to states of affections, and thoughts, as in the spiritual world, but unchangeable and fixed, therefore in nature there are spaces and spatial distances. There are such things, because creation has there terminated, and abides at rest. From this it is evident that spaces are a property of nature; and because in nature spaces are not appearances of spaces according to states of life, as they are in the spiritual world, these also may be called dead.

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[sljc]

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Since times in like manner are settled and constant, they also are a property of nature; for the length of a day is constantly twenty-four hours, and the length of a year is constantly three hundred and sixty-five days and a quarter. The very states of light and shade, and of heat and cold, which cause these periods to vary, are also regular in their return. The states which recur daily are morning, noon, evening, and night; those recurring yearly are spiring, summer, autumn, and winter. Moreover, the annual states modify regularly the daily states. All these states are likewise dead because they are not states of life as in the spiritual world; for in the spiritual world there is continuous light and there is continuous heat, the light corresponding to the state of wisdom, and the heat to the state of love with the angels; consequently the states of these are living.

From all this the folly of those who ascribe all things to nature can be seen. Those who have confirmed themselves in favor of nature have brought such a state on themselves that they are no longer willing to raise the mind above nature; consequently their minds are shut above and opened below. Man thus becomes sensual-natural, that is, spiritually dead; and because he then thinks only from such things as he has imbibed from his bodily senses, or through the senses from the world, he at heart even denies God. Then because conjunction with heaven is broken, conjunction with hell takes place, the capacity to think and will alone remaining; the capacity to think, from rationality, and the capacity to will, from freedom; these two capacities every man has from the Lord, nor are they taken way. These two capacities devils have equally with angels; but devils devote them to insane thinking and evil doing, and angels to becoming wise and doing good.

It is in the knowing of this double sun, one living and the other dead, that I am made knowing in the 2012 end time, JC our LG and His Holy Angels shall defeat BO the AC Muslim and his obamanite hordes.

Thank you Lord, sljc

[sljc]

Hello Everyone,

Barry Hussein Obama = A Communist, Anti-Christ (AC AC)

Actually my obamanite antichrist friends, unknowing to you, your proving the posts above. Let me show you how by the Word of God.

First sun is predicated of God the Father in the Spiritual Light. This is made evident when you reach the seventh day of rest where it is first then mentioned the Divine Being within, JEHOVAH.

Genesis 1 (KJV)

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Second sun is the fixed one in the temporal world, which provides the base for the Spiritual growth of mankind within the human form. Many places in the Holy Bible (KJV) at first blush it appears as if things were being done twice, when in fact the Spiritual primal is first manifesting, then the fixed point upon which it rest. Quite actually, all our thoughts and affections, either knowingly or unknowingly, are developing within each of us to affix our souls unto being. Its in our creation by God the Father to become awaken for translation into after life. Truly my friends, all men are created for Heaven. Yes even those on this blog string who curse the light. Continued from Holy Bible (KJV) for second sun and/or natural surrogate fire ball.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Also my friends it appears as if the Lord God is creating twice in regards to the firmaments and waters, but remember you have the Spiritual realm and the natural realm. The Spiritual is living ie; manifesting, and the temporal is end effects provided of uses there from and to.

It is in this way I am knowing in the 2012 end times, JC our LG and His Holy Angels shall defeat BO the AC Muslim and his obamanite hordes.

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[sljc]

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p.s. My friends don't look at the defeat as one in which destruction totally of the natural flesh, but of the Spiritual renewal by which old pyridine are defeated. Also this is what makes BO the AC Muslim far more dangerous then hitlers, stalins, and maos of old, who were evilly bent on total inhalation of human earthen vessels, absolutely having no concern for the Spiritual beings within them. BO the AC Muslim doesn't initially mind at all everyone holding on to their flesh, its the "change" within of opulence to him; "the one," which he desires. This is far more clever, not smart, deceiver, not merited, then anything a fore faced of mankind. It is this by which Lord Jesus refers to this end time AC AC (A Communist; Anti-Christ) as Lucifer the destroyer of old. For as many evil ones killed many as to the flesh, BO the AC Muslim will cause a dis-conjunct with God the Father through destroying Christ within. Look at the posts of the obamanites on this blog, they are but the scorpion tail of the head of the red dragon, by which a third part of men were stung and hurt. My friends wake up before the Sunshines on the new day, and catch you unawares. Selah

[Atticus Tiberius Finch]

sljc wrote:

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The sun of the natural world is pure fire, consequently dead; nature also is dead, because it derives its origin from that sun
Creation itself cannot be ascribed in the least to the sun of the natural world, but must be wholly ascribed to the sun of the spiritual world; because the sun of the natural world is altogether dead; but the sun of the spiritual world is living; for it is the first proceeding of Divine love and Divine wisdom; and what is dead does not act at all from itself, but is acted upon; consequently to ascribe to it anything of creation would be like ascribing the work of an artificer to the tool which is moved by his hands. The sun of the natural world is pure fire from which everything of life has been withdrawn; but the sun of the spiritual world is fire in which is Divine life. The angelic idea of the fire of the sun of the natural world, and of the fire of the sun of the spiritual world, is this; that in the fire of the sun of the spiritual world the Divine life is within, but in the fire of the sun of the natural world it is without. From this it can be seen that the actuating power of the natural sun is not from itself, but from a living force proceeding from the sun of the spiritual world; consequently if the living force of that sun were withdrawn or taken away, the natural sun would have no vital power. For this reason the worship of the sun is the lowest of all the forms of God-worship, for it is wholly dead, as the sun itself is, and therefore in the Word it is called “abomination.”
As the sun of the natural world is pure fire, and therefore dead, the heat proceeding from it is also dead, likewise the light proceeding from it is dead; so also are the atmospheres, which are called ether and air, and which receive in their bosom and carry down the heat and light of that sun; and as these are dead so are each and all things of the earth which are beneath the atmospheres, and are called soils, yet these, one and all, are encompassed by what is spiritual, proceeding and flowing forth from the sun of the spiritual world. Unless they had been so encompassed, the soils could not have been stirred into activity, and have produced forms of uses, which are plants, nor forms of life, which are animals; nor could have supplied the materials by which man begins and continues to exist.
Now since nature begins from that sun, and all that springs forth and continues to exist from it is called natural, it follows that nature, with each and every thing pertaining thereto, is dead. It appears in man and animal as if alive, because of the life which accompanies and actuates it.
Since these lowest things of nature which form the lands are dead, and are not changeable and varying according to states of affections, and thoughts, as in the spiritual world, but unchangeable and fixed, therefore in nature there are spaces and spatial distances. There are such things, because creation has there terminated, and abides at rest. From this it is evident that spaces are a property of nature; and because in nature spaces are not appearances of spaces according to states of life, as they are in the spiritual world, these also may be called dead.
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If you are going to cut and paste a book, a least have the decency to acknowledge your source. In this case it is Divine Love and Wisdom By Emanuel Swedenborg.

[sljc]

Hello Everyone,

Atticus Tiberius Finch even though you hate me, yet I am made hopeful by your knowing the writings of Emanuel Swedenborg a Now Angel of the Lord. I have taken the liberty to add in those places of Holy Scripture rightly in agreement with Emanuel's work. In our home library I am blessed of our Lord to have almost the his entire works. They, along with the Torah and KJV Holy Bible, are priceless to my family and me. I have posted my connections with Emanuel's work, even this one in the past. But I perceive this isn't really your issue of hatred toward me.

The Lord God and His Holy Spirit guiding is life living. The Prophets, Apostles and Saints I do truly love. And it's being awake in this love that I am knowing in the 2012 end time, JC our LG and His Holy Angels, shall defeat bo the AC AC Muslim and his obamanite hordes.

Thank you Lord, sljc

p.s. bo the AC AC Muslim is original and you can use it if you want. Thank you

[TFALLEN]

sljc wrote:

Hello Everyone,
Atticus Tiberius Finch even though you hate me, yet I am made hopeful by your knowing the writings of Emanuel Swedenborg a Now Angel of the Lord. I have taken the liberty to add in those places of Holy Scripture rightly in agreement with Emanuel's work. In our home library I am blessed of our Lord to have almost the his entire works. They, along with the Torah and KJV Holy Bible, are priceless to my family and me. I have posted my connections with Emanuel's work, even this one in the past. But I perceive this isn't really your issue of hatred toward me.
The Lord God and His Holy Spirit guiding is life living. The Prophets, Apostles and Saints I do truly love. And it's being awake in this love that I am knowing in the 2012 end time, JC our LG and His Holy Angels, shall defeat bo the AC AC Muslim and his obamanite hordes.
Thank you Lord, sljc
p.s. bo the AC AC Muslim is original and you can use it if you want. Thank you

You are knowing of nothing. You quote mislogic and misinterpret sources that are unreliable.

[Kathy]

Jane wrote:

Oh my God! Some of you people in Oklahoma are stupid!
And Yahaim, you really need to get your facts straight, lest you look like a moron as well.
Unbelievable!

Jane, I think you need to read who wrote all these comments. They weren't all from Oklahoma. And I sure there are a lot of stupid people in this world and your comment made you look that way.

[St Defcon1]

Liam R wrote:

So much crap, so little time.
part one of lots.
False prophecy. Or rather, it is a LIE to claim that it is a Messianic prophecy.
1) Isaiah 7:14 refers to a YOUNG WOMAN (not a virgin) who gave birth back in the time of Isaiah and King Ahaz.

I will agree there is a lot of crap but its you who are spewing it.
Your antichrist motives will be exposed one at a time.
"almah," DOES translate as "virgin," and can have several other meanings including "young maiden" or "young woman." None of which DISQUALIFY “virgin” from also being applicable. It should be noted that the Old Testament uses the word to refer to young, unmarried women, and that unmarried women were culturally and religiously EXPECTED TO BE VIRGINS. One example can be found in Genesis 24:43, where it speaks of a person being sought as a bride for Isaac.
In other words one can be a virgin AND a young woman
Furthermore in Isaiah 14:7 the Lord says he will give him a SIGN. A pregnant married woman who is NOT a virgin is hardly a sign!
A virgin who becomes pregnant, now that IS a sign don’t you think?

Sign:
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Probably from H225 (in the sense of appearing); a signal (literally or figuratively), as a flag, beacon, monument, omen, prodigy, evidence, etc.:- mark, miracle,(en-) sign, token.

Like you said, context
Where is the miracle if she is not a virgin? You fail to prove she is not a virgin while my validated information proves she is.

[St Defcon1]

Liam R wrote:

3) Jesus failed to fulfill this prophecy because his name was "Jesus" and not "Immanuel".
Amos 3:1 Hear this word that the LORD hath spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying,

Foolishness on your part

Mary is told his proper name will be Jesus..
Luk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

Joseph is told THEY will call his name Emmanuel
Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Jesus has many names…
and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace...
Advocate,Almighty,Alpha and Omega,Amen
Apostle of our Profession
Atoning Sacrifice for our Sins
Author of Life
Author and Perfecter of our Faith
Author of Salvation
Beginning and End
Blessed and only Ruler
Bread of God
Bread of Life
Bridegroom
Capstone
Chief Cornerstone
Chief Shepherd
Christ
Creator
Deliverer
Eternal Life
Faithful and True
Faithful Witness
Faithful and True Witness
First and Last
Firstborn From the Dead
Firstborn over all creation
Gate
God
Good Shepherd
Great Shepherd
Great High Priest
Head of the Church
Heir of all things
High Priest
Holy and True
Holy One
Hope
Hope of Glory
Horn of Salvation
I Am
Image of God
Immanuel
Judge of the living and the dead
King Eternal
King of Israel
King of the Jews
King of kings
King of the Ages
Lamb
Lamb of God
Lamb Without Blemish
Last Adam
Life
Light of the World
Lion of the Tribe of Judah
Living One
Living Stone
Lord
Lord of All
Lord of Glory
Lord of lords
Man from Heaven
Master
Mediator of the New Covenant
Mighty God
Morning Star
Offspring of David
Only Begotten Son of God
Our Great God and Savior
Our Holiness
Our Husband
Our Protection
Our Redemption
Our Righteousness
Our Sacrificed Passover Lamb
Power of God
Precious Cornerstone
Prophet
Rabbi
Resurrection and Life
Righteous Branch
Righteous One
Rock
Root of David
Ruler of God’s Creation
Ruler of the Kings of the Earth
Savior
Son of David
Son of God
Son of Man
Son of the Most High God
Source of Eternal Salvation for all who obey him
The One Mediator
The Stone the builders rejected
True Bread
True Light
True Vine
Truth
Way
Wisdom of God
Word
Word of God

[Against the Grain]

THE COW AND THE ICE CREAM
ONE OF THE BEST EXPLANATIONS
OF WHY OBAMA WON THE ELECTION
--From a teacher in the Nashville area

"We are worried about 'the cow' when it is all about the 'Ice Cream.'

The most eye-opening civics lesson I ever had was while teaching third grade this year...

The presidential election was heating up and some of the children showed an interest.
I decided we would have an election for a class president.

We would choose our nominees. They would make a campaign speech and the class would vote.

To simplify the process, candidates were nominated by other class members.
We discussed what kinds of characteristics these students should have.
We got many nominations and from those, Jamie and Olivia were picked to run for the top spot.

The class had done a great job in their selections. Both candidates were good kids.
I thought Jamie might have an advantage because he got lots of parental support.
I had never seen Olivia's mother.

The day arrived when they were to make their speeches. Jamie went first.
He had specific ideas about how to make our class a better place. He ended by promising to do his very best. Everyone applauded and he sat down.

Now is was Olivia's turn to speak. Her speech was concise.
She said, "If you will vote for me, I will give you ice cream."
She sat down.

The class went wild. "Yes! Yes! We want ice cream." She surely would say more. She did not have to.

A discussion followed. How did she plan to pay for the ice cream? She wasn't sure.
Would her parents buy it or would the class pay for it. She didn't know.
The class really didn't care. All they were thinking about was ice cream.

Jamie was forgotten. Olivia won by a landslide.

Every time Barack Obama opened his mouth he offered ice cream and 52 percent of the people reacted like nine year olds.

They want ice cream.

The other 48 percent know they're going to have to feed the cow and clean up the mess."

This is the ice cream Obama promised us!

Remember, the government cannot give anything to anyone -- that they have not first taken away from someone else.

[Atticus Tiberius Finch]

Against the Grain wrote:

Remember, the government cannot give anything to anyone -- that they have not first taken away from someone else.

Then how come the very rich (top 1%) Americans receive tax cuts of almost 500 BILLION DOLLARS in a ten year period, courtesy of the Bush Aministration. When Bush gave away 500 BILLION DOLLARS in tex breaks to the very rich, who do you think has to come with this money to pay for federal spending? You are right,the rest of us.

Citizens for Tax Justice in its web site stated the following:

By 2010, when (and if) the Bush tax reductions are fully in place, an astonishing 52 percent of the total tax cuts will go to the richest one percent—whose average 2010 income will be $1.5 million. Their tax-cut windfall in that year alone will average $85,000 each. Put another way, of the estimated $234 billion in tax cuts scheduled for the year 2010,$121 billion will go just 1.4 million taxpayers. http://www.ctj.org/html/gwb0602.htm

I agree with you, when the Bush administration gave away almost
500 BILLION DOLLARS in tax cuts to the very rich, this lost of revenue will have to come from somewhere and guess where? Yes, the rest of us.

I am still waiting for a thank you card from the super rich for this "gift."

[Atticus Tiberius Finch]

St Defcon1 wrote:

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Foolishness on your part
Mary is told his proper name will be Jesus..
Luk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Joseph is told THEY will call his name Emmanuel
Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Jesus has many names…

Here are more
Bubba
Toejam
Fantastic Four Minus Three
SuperJesus
SuperduperJesus
He who walks on water (Indian name)
He who turns water into wine (another Indian name)
He who walks on wine after turning it from water (yet another Indian name)

You forgot to mention the t-shirts he will be wearing with the following slogans:

I fed 5000 people with five loaves and two fishes and all I got was this lousy t-shirt

The meek shall inhert the earth but not its mineral rights

[St Defcon1]

Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:

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Here are more
Bubba
Toejam
Fantastic Four Minus Three
SuperJesus
SuperduperJesus
He who walks on water (Indian name)
He who turns water into wine (another Indian name)
He who walks on wine after turning it from water (yet another Indian name)
You forgot to mention the t-shirts he will be wearing with the following slogans:
I fed 5000 people with five loaves and two fishes and all I got was this lousy t-shirt
The meek shall inhert the earth but not its mineral rights

Do you enjoy mocking peoples faith?

[St Defcon1]

Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:

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Then how come the very rich (top 1%) Americans receive tax cuts of almost 500 BILLION DOLLARS in a ten year period, courtesy of the Bush Aministration. When Bush gave away 500 BILLION DOLLARS in tex breaks to the very rich, who do you think has to come with this money to pay for federal spending? You are right,the rest of us.
Citizens for Tax Justice in its web site stated the following:
By 2010, when (and if) the Bush tax reductions are fully in place, an astonishing 52 percent of the total tax cuts will go to the richest one percent—whose average 2010 income will be $1.5 million. Their tax-cut windfall in that year alone will average $85,000 each. Put another way, of the estimated $234 billion in tax cuts scheduled for the year 2010,$121 billion will go just 1.4 million taxpayers. http://www.ctj.org/html/gwb0602.htm
I agree with you, when the Bush administration gave away almost
500 BILLION DOLLARS in tax cuts to the very rich, this lost of revenue will have to come from somewhere and guess where? Yes, the rest of us.
I am still waiting for a thank you card from the super rich for this "gift."

Guess Who Really Pays the Taxes

What income group pays the most federal income taxes today?

The latest data show that a big portion of the federal income tax burden is shoul­dered by a small group of the very richest Americans. The wealthiest 1 percent of the population earn 19 per­cent of the income but pay 37 percent of the income tax. The top 10 percent pay 68 percent of the tab. Meanwhile, the bottom 50 percent—those below the median income level—now earn 13 percent of the income but pay just 3 percent of the taxes. These are proportions of the income tax alone and don’t include payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare.

But didn’t the Bush tax cuts favor the rich?

The New York Times reported recently that the average family in America with an income of $10 million or more received a half-million-dollar tax cut, while the middle class got crumbs (less than $100 shaved off their tax bill). If we examine the taxes paid in a static world—that is, if we assume that there was no change in behavior and economic performance as a result of the tax code—then these numbers are meaningful. Most of the tax cuts went to the super wealthy.

But Americans did respond to the tax cuts. There was more investment, more hiring by businesses, and a stronger stock market. When we compare the taxes paid under the old system with those paid after the Bush tax cuts, the rich are now actually paying a higher proportion of income taxes. The latest IRS data show an increase of more than $100 billion in tax payments from the wealthy by 2005 alone. The number of tax filers who claimed taxable income of more than $1 million increased from approximately 180,000 in 2003 to over 300,000 in 2005. The total taxes paid by these millionaire households rose by about 80 percent in two years, from $132 billion to $236 billion.

http://www.american.com/archive/2007/november...

[Grandpasmurf952]

St Defcon1 said "Guess Who Really Pays the Taxes?"

Your smoke screen is pathetic.

It's not about money. It's about getting enough to eat!

While you clever fellas are dumping grain in the sea to keep the profits up. little children are dying of starvation!

While your brilliant strategists are busy manipulating public opinion to your advantage,
little children are dying of starvation!

While you loudly proclaim the dangers of socialism,
little children are dying of starvation!

While you belittle the efforts of "Do Gooders"
little children are dying of starvation!

I could go on and on but until we dismantle the evil structure that creates mindsets like yours,
little children are dying of starvation!

Here is a short text file on dismantling the evil structure, the Patriarchal Religious Military Industrial Complex:

http://grandpasmurf9520.wordpress.com/2009/07...

[rfoster]

the anti christ will even fool the elite. you will not see him coming, he will be like a thief in the night. name me one place in the bible that states the characteristics of the anti-christ. it doesnt....you are a fool. do not use gods word for your foolish banter.