Election 2012: President Obama shifts...

Election 2012: President Obama shifts to Paul Ryan education plan

There are 271 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Aug 21, 2012, titled Election 2012: President Obama shifts to Paul Ryan education plan. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

PITTSBURGH — It's not just Medicare. President Barack Obama plans to start picking apart other sections of Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan's sweeping budget proposals as he tries to paint the GOP ticket as too extreme for the nation.

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Robert

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#1 Aug 21, 2012
He is coming up with ideas to deal with the deficit which is out of control, only plan Obama has is tax and spend until things collapse then he hopes we can build a socialistic nation out of the remains.

"You did not build that" will turn into "you do not own that".
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#2 Aug 21, 2012
You didn't learn that.
conservative crapola

Easton, PA

#3 Aug 21, 2012
rugby: "You Olympians didn't get here alone"

hahahahahahahaha

“bar0ckalypse n0w”

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#4 Aug 21, 2012
Liberals have destroyed our education system.

NYC has a 25% graduation rate because surrendercrats give generational welfare to illiterate teens to spawn future felons by the half dozen... just as long as they vote Demorat come election day.

The prisons in CA are so overcrowded 30,000 felons have been ordered to be released early. That's 3 divisions of hardened criminals. We took baghdad with 2. In jail, the convicts brag about how many illegitamate kids they have. Just don't confuse them by asking them names or birthdays.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#5 Aug 21, 2012
Robert wrote:
He is coming up with ideas to deal with the deficit which is out of control, only plan Obama has is tax and spend until things collapse then he hopes we can build a socialistic nation out of the remains.
"You did not build that" will turn into "you do not own that".
Not really.

Ryan is only represiding "TRICKLE DOWN, or 'supply side economics' which we have seen fail under Hover, Coolidge, Reagan, and Bush II.

Trickle down is a dead, false, disproved theory; but that is Ryan's one idea. More trickle down.

And, Ryan's trickle down is just to increase the taxes paid by the suffering American middle class, while cutting the taxes of the rich.

I do not wish to, and cannot subsidize very rich guys. But, that is all Ryan offers.
Reality Bites

AOL

#6 Aug 21, 2012
conservative crapola wrote:
rugby: "You Olympians didn't get here alone"
hahahahahahahaha
Wasserman, the DNC Chair, just annouced that Obamacrats have approved their Conventions theme:

"America is the Great Satan and MUST be destroyed!!"

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#7 Aug 21, 2012
Mr_Bill wrote:
<quoted text>
Not really.
Ryan is only represiding "TRICKLE DOWN, or 'supply side economics' which we have seen fail under Hover, Coolidge, Reagan, and Bush II.
Trickle down is a dead, false, disproved theory; but that is Ryan's one idea. More trickle down.
And, Ryan's trickle down is just to increase the taxes paid by the suffering American middle class, while cutting the taxes of the rich.
I do not wish to, and cannot subsidize very rich guys. But, that is all Ryan offers.
You didn't say that. Somebody else said that for you. LOL

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#8 Aug 21, 2012
25th in math and science? Democrats and their failed overpaid unions can go F themselves.

“Romney Has Cat Vote!!”

Since: Aug 12

taos

#9 Aug 21, 2012
how about we stay on the 8.3% unemployment rate and the massive national debt that obama keeps adding to? how about that? not to mention, he gives amnesty to almost a million parasitic illegal aliens in a horrible economy! how bout those issues?
Robert

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#10 Aug 21, 2012
Mr_Bill wrote:
<quoted text>
Not really.
Ryan is only represiding "TRICKLE DOWN, or 'supply side economics' which we have seen fail under Hover, Coolidge, Reagan, and Bush II.
Trickle down is a dead, false, disproved theory; but that is Ryan's one idea. More trickle down.
And, Ryan's trickle down is just to increase the taxes paid by the suffering American middle class, while cutting the taxes of the rich.
I do not wish to, and cannot subsidize very rich guys. But, that is all Ryan offers.
If it does not work what happened in the clinton era, tax revenues were up but why. Clinton oversaw 8 budgets after 8 years he spent an additional 29.49% over that period of time. Tax revenues which were up a whopping 85.58% over the same period of time. It was a boom time and just who do you think caused it, the poor? Everyone had more money and the reason was because the rich were doing well.

Most of the investment in the future will come from the excess income of the high income earners and this is what will cause increased job creation in the future. The upper middle class on down consume most of their income and save only a little. So if we are interested in the future, then most investment in risky ventures will come from the 'rich' and then the middle class and the poor will benefit by the innovation that is then produced. Most of these risky investments fail, so people have to be encouraged by high returns in order to make these investments. So by taxing these people more we are limiting the future of the poor and the middle class. We have to find ways for them to invest more, not less.

When I listen to obama and romney it I get the feeling romney is more concerned about solving problems and obama is simply wanting to pick a fight with the rich.
Razors Edge

Palos Hills, IL

#11 Aug 21, 2012
Eric Holder's misdeeds in the Justice Department, particularly involving the Fast and Furious scandal, have reached a fever pitch, leading Congress to hold the Attorney General in contempt. So what's next for Holder? Will he finally be removed from his position, or will his connections to the Obama administration allow him to keep his job? Tell us what you think!

Educate this!!! First!!
Triad

Orange, CA

#12 Aug 21, 2012
mjjcpa wrote:
Liberals have destroyed our education system.
NYC has a 25% graduation rate because surrendercrats give generational welfare to illiterate teens to spawn future felons by the half dozen... just as long as they vote Demorat come election day.
The prisons in CA are so overcrowded 30,000 felons have been ordered to be released early. That's 3 divisions of hardened criminals. We took baghdad with 2. In jail, the convicts brag about how many illegitamate kids they have. Just don't confuse them by asking them names or birthdays.
The swing states only have to look to those two examples to predict what the future hold for them as a "blue" state. High unemployment rates, high crime, while the elitist Democrats shop and live in the most expensive and off limit areas to the poor in the country. What you've pointed out is very insightful about those two states, the most extreme example of liberalism and its consequences. We should highlight this to all voters. Romney and Ryan do the poorest in polling at those two states which tells us a lot about the fall of Rome. Other blue states are headed that way too, as their crime rates climb and authorities can do nothing. Obama fuels the hatred. With joblessness on the rise and his hate pushing more division among Americans, all states are headed the way of NY and Ca.

The bastard and his gang of Chicago criminals need to go in a big way: a landslide. Can hardly wait to see Moochelle's chip on her shoulders and mooching ways disappear. Watching the "first lady" have an open affair with Beckham and his brand of underwear was just too much. She was so deliriously happy to be away from Barack the POTUS to flirt with soccer star it's an embarassment.

Since: Aug 12

Pahokee, FL

#13 Aug 21, 2012
Obama isnt picking a fight with the rich, he's only using the moocher class like Stalin preached, to divide and conquer.

They (moochers) are epsilons prolls and useful idiots, of course.
Razors Edge

Palos Hills, IL

#14 Aug 21, 2012
UdintBuildThat wrote:
Obama isnt picking a fight with the rich, he's only using the moocher class like Stalin preached, to divide and conquer.
They (moochers) are epsilons prolls and useful idiots, of course.
Brace yourselves, Floridians -- I imagine you're going to see this exchange a quite a lot on your television screens over the next few months. Here we have Obama nonchalantly confirming that his unaffordable and unpopular healthcare transformation relied on hundreds of billions of dollars in Medicare cuts. He wasn't slashing $700 Billion out of (current, not future) Medicare to help that program remain solvent, mind you; he was, er, "re-allocating" that money to help construct a brand new entitlement scheme. The purpose of this eye-popping transfer of dollars, he says, was to ensure that Obamacare would not add a dime to the deficit. In the clip, he affirms that he would have vetoed any bill that added to the deficit, and pledged to bend the overall healthcare cost curve down. A few problems:

(1) Obamacare's price tag is almost double what Democrats said it would be over the first full decade of implementation.

(2) Obamacare does add to the deficit, despite the Medicare raid.(Paul Ryan exposed these accounting gimmicks at the healthcare summit)

(3) The national healthcare cost curve has actually been bent up, with costs expanding faster than if Democrats hadn't passed Obamacare at all.

(4) Medicare "as we know it" is still scheduled to become insolvent in 12 years, absent major reforms.

Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have a bipartisan plan to save and preserve Medicare. Democrats offer nothing except cuts and rationing. Romney and Ryan plan to repeal the budget-busting, cost-hiking, doctor shortage-intensifiying Obamacare law. This president wants to enshrine it forever, shackling the American people with its consequences. Some liberals are now arguing that Republicans (!) are being disingenuous with their Medicare attacks because Ryan's plan would maintain Obama's cuts. First of all, that's quite a departure from their usual "Republicans = cuts" narrative,Bull Sh*t??????????
Robert

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#15 Aug 21, 2012
I have not read Ryan's education plan but in case nobody noticed Romney not Ryan is running for president.

That said if his plan involves getting rid of the department of education I am all for it. The federal government has no place in education.
conservative crapola

Easton, PA

#16 Aug 21, 2012
Robert wrote:
I have not read Ryan's education plan but in case nobody noticed Romney not Ryan is running for president.
That said if his plan involves getting rid of the department of education I am all for it. The federal government has no place in education.
rugby: "I wouldn't eliminate the Dept. of Education entirely"

hahahahahahahaha
Mike

Tampa, FL

#17 Aug 21, 2012
We will all see Obama's "artistic" side

A Bull Shyt "artist"

Vote the bum out !!!!

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#18 Aug 21, 2012
Robert wrote:
<quoted text>
If it does not work what happened in the clinton era, tax revenues were up but why. Clinton oversaw 8 budgets after 8 years he spent an additional 29.49% over that period of time. Tax revenues which were up a whopping 85.58% over the same period of time. It was a boom time and just who do you think caused it, the poor? Everyone had more money and the reason was because the rich were doing well.
Most of the investment in the future will come from the excess income of the high income earners and this is what will cause increased job creation in the future. The upper middle class on down consume most of their income and save only a little. So if we are interested in the future, then most investment in risky ventures will come from the 'rich' and then the middle class and the poor will benefit by the innovation that is then produced. Most of these risky investments fail, so people have to be encouraged by high returns in order to make these investments. So by taxing these people more we are limiting the future of the poor and the middle class. We have to find ways for them to invest more, not less.
When I listen to obama and romney it I get the feeling romney is more concerned about solving problems and obama is simply wanting to pick a fight with the rich.
It took quite a while for that "clinton Boom" to take effect.

And it wa not the practice, or caused by truickle down.

The primary cause was the return to stability of the bond markets, and President Clinton's steady communication with the American public.

In fact, things were so bas after Reagan/ BushI that Cinton had to forgo his promised tax cut for the middle class (just as BushI has to go against his "read my lips" NO NEW TAXES promise.)

The real reason for Clinton's economic success was his top-shelf team, meeting every chalange with a pragmatic solution (not idiology) and direct communication with the American people.

Trickle down uses 'borrow and spend' to pay for government until the result of the trickle down rolls in. Unfortunately, it never does 'roll in' so we are left with huge national debts.

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#19 Aug 21, 2012
Robert wrote:
I have not read Ryan's education plan but in case nobody noticed Romney not Ryan is running for president.
That said if his plan involves getting rid of the department of education I am all for it. The federal government has no place in education.
Maybe we can reduce the government's role, since education is wasted on Republicans.
Duke for Mayor

Lakemore, OH

#20 Aug 21, 2012
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe we can reduce the government's role, since education is wasted on Republicans.
"Well, I've worried some about, you know, why write books ... why are we teaching people to write books when presidents and senators do not read them, and generals do not read them. And it's been the university experience that taught me that there is a very good reason, that you catch people before they become generals and presidents and so forth and you poison their minds with ... humanity, and however you want to poison their minds, it's presumably to encourage them to make a better world."

"A Talk with Kurt Vonnegut. Jr." by Robert Scholes in The Vonnegut Statement (1973) edited by Jerome Klinkowitz and John Somer October 1966), later published in Conversations With Kurt Vonnegut (1988), p. 123

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