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Stunner: Sen. Rob Portman backs same-sex marriage

There are 243 comments on the cbsnews.com story from Mar 15, 2013, titled Stunner: Sen. Rob Portman backs same-sex marriage. In it, cbsnews.com reports that:

The Ohio Republican informed reporters from several newspapers in his home state of his reversal, which The Columbus Dispatch calls "stunning." Portman told The Cincinnati Enquirer his evolution on the subject began in 2011 when his son, Will, then a freshman at Yale University, told his parents he was gay.

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#288 Mar 24, 2013
adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>No, next of kin is generally defined by law and is used in a legal process to determine ownership of property and guardianship of juveniles. It typically is blood based by first choice then marital based. For instance, if you had a kid and the mother died during birth then you remarried, your next of kin in most states would be your kid, and guardianship would go to either one of your parents, one of your siblings, one of the dead mother's parents, then to your now wife if they were unable or unwilling to take guardianship of the child.
Marriage is a legal concept born out of a religious concept specifically to determine the disposition of property and offspring legally. When the state took over, there was a concept called common law marriage which stated that after being together as husband and wife for a period of time although not legally recognized by the state or a church, you were in effect legally married. But almost all states have gotten rid of that.
Now everything that is accomplished by marriage can be accomplished by legal doctrine. Disposition of property can be accomplished by last will and testaments, quit deeds and upon death deeds and or contracts. Medical privilege can be accomplished by designating the significant other as the medical power of attorney and a few other things. Guardianship of children can be accomplished by adoption and/or a will with agreements. What cannot be accomplished in this way is tax breaks for asset inheritance and other government handouts to married people. In fact, one of the two court cases in front of the supreme court right now is because a foreigner who married outside of the US but now lives here doesn't want to pay taxes on an inheritance.
Love has nothing to do with it. It's all about the benefits and extras from the government. Next of kin is a government function and it is the right of the government to determine it.
Then by your definition marriage can only be sanctioned by the religious community..Government has no right between two people determiming their own destiny..Seeing as how a JOP "married" my wife and me. We must by your definition be only a legal contract unsanctioned by any religious community...Ok by me.. Two people(or more as far as I care) who enter into a legal contract ie: marriage should be able to share in te same benifits a any other legal contracted people...ie: married folks.

Government has no rights except those that we allow it to have..

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#289 Mar 24, 2013
adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>No, next of kin is generally defined by law and is used in a legal process to determine ownership of property and guardianship of juveniles. It typically is blood based by first choice then marital based. For instance, if you had a kid and the mother died during birth then you remarried, your next of kin in most states would be your kid, and guardianship would go to either one of your parents, one of your siblings, one of the dead mother's parents, then to your now wife if they were unable or unwilling to take guardianship of the child.
Marriage is a legal concept born out of a religious concept specifically to determine the disposition of property and offspring legally. When the state took over, there was a concept called common law marriage which stated that after being together as husband and wife for a period of time although not legally recognized by the state or a church, you were in effect legally married. But almost all states have gotten rid of that.
Now everything that is accomplished by marriage can be accomplished by legal doctrine. Disposition of property can be accomplished by last will and testaments, quit deeds and upon death deeds and or contracts. Medical privilege can be accomplished by designating the significant other as the medical power of attorney and a few other things. Guardianship of children can be accomplished by adoption and/or a will with agreements. What cannot be accomplished in this way is tax breaks for asset inheritance and other government handouts to married people. In fact, one of the two court cases in front of the supreme court right now is because a foreigner who married outside of the US but now lives here doesn't want to pay taxes on an inheritance.
Love has nothing to do with it. It's all about the benefits and extras from the government. Next of kin is a government function and it is the right of the government to determine it.
Your history of marriage is skewed...probably by your cult teachings.

marriage has always been the purview of the state. religion did not get into the marriage game until the 14th century and then just to bless the state sponsored marriages on the steps of the church.

you should learn about topics before you attempt to put your prejucdices upon them...
adif understanding

Little Hocking, OH

#290 Mar 24, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Your history of marriage is skewed...probably by your cult teachings.
marriage has always been the purview of the state. religion did not get into the marriage game until the 14th century and then just to bless the state sponsored marriages on the steps of the church.
you should learn about topics before you attempt to put your prejucdices upon them...
Where did you get this from..lol Marriage has always been a religious institution. It is one of the most early power grabs by the church and wasn't until the 14th century that government became largely involved through a power struggle with the church.

While it was true that there were some laws as early as roman times concerning marriage, outside of royalty, no one needed the blessings of the state to get married until relatively recently. Of course the government never gave crap away based on who you was married to until recently either.

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