Buffalo Diocese Announces More Parish Closings Across WNY

The Diocese of Buffalo's "Journey of Faith and Grace" has led to the closings of more parishes across Western New York. Read more
sick of it

Medina, NY

#647 Nov 1, 2007
Are you a saint wrote:
Kathy, I gave specifics regarding some rectories that are lavish. I didn't make generalizations. I acknowledged that some are very good guys. I acknowledged also that some live like kings because as they say themselves "nothing is too good for Father."
So, this is not a bashing event. It is rather a discussion about the double standards that exist.
Like it or not, dear, there is a lot of rot out there and the laity are paying the price.
It's no secret that many of these priests are living like fairy princesses (in more ways than one). They get away with it because many Catholics see the pastor as their own personal Jesus living right down the block and they'll open their wallets to no end to pamper him. Couple that with the scads of women in the parishes who behave as if they are secretely in love with the pastor and it's easy to see why he's treated so well.
Ampol

Buffalo, NY

#648 Nov 2, 2007
Its been an interesting week media wise in the happy Diocese of Buffalo. Last week in the Niagara Gazette, there was an article written by a Gazette staff columnist that came out of nowhere. He described how he has been a praticing Catholic his whole life. He was critical of what the Diocese and Catholic religion has become. One of his main points was that the Diocese has become disassociated from the people of the Diocese. He said that the Diocesan officials are insulated from their flock and that this has to change. Yesterday in the AmPol Eagle, there were letters published from Niagara Falls that were very critical of the Journey of Faith and Grace process. The Diocese said the Journey would be grassroots in nature but then disregarded what the people and vicariate commissions had recommended. Thank goodness for the AmPol Eagle, it appears that it is the only publication in WNY that isn't controlled by the Diocese. From these two publications it is obvious that this Journey is alienating many people. There was even an article in the Buffalo News yesterday that "bitterness about the closures runs deep". Sister Murphy in her typical accountant bravado stated that the population of Catholics in WNY will continue to shrink in line with demographics. Isn't the Diocese supposed to be builders of the catholic religion? There's a lot of lost sheep that are about to lose their faith. Isn't it the clergy's vocation to bring people back to the Catholic religion? Then you get the latest copy of Western New York Catholic which gives the career highlights of Bishop Kmiec. It shows congratulations to the Bishop from many parishes that he's closing. Do you really think that those closing parishes are in the congratulatory mood. As Rome burns, Nero fiddles. The Diocese has to realize that they are in their positions to serve us and God. We the people of the Diocese are not here solely to serve them and provide for them. Its supposed to be a two way street.
Carol

Norway, ME

#649 Nov 2, 2007
Good stuff in this week's Am-Pol Eagle. I didn't realize a suddenly underfunded cemetery was one of the excuses for closing Holy Trinity. I hear the diocese did the same with St. Adalbert's, telling them that their cemetery, with enough unused burial space to go on for ages, is suddenly severely underfunded (news to them!). I guess they should charge people to tell them where their loved ones are buried like the diocesan cemeteries do now, or maybe charge exorbitant recording fees, making the diocesan cemeteries some of the most expensive in the area. As for the 15%, I understand Sr. Regina said it herself in the East Buffalo cluster meetings. I read in a Boston paper a couple months ago that 3 years later they have lost 20% and there they "only" closed 1/6 of the churches - and without all the lies, blatant favoritism, etc.
Jan

Buffalo, NY

#650 Nov 2, 2007
The Dunkirk Connection wrote:
Jan,
Could you please tell me where you read about the diocese expecting a 15 percent loss of parishioners? I know I read it too but can't remember where. Thanks.
I think it was the AmPol Eagle -- I've seen that 15% more than one time - I'm going through my old papers -- if I find it, I will let you know. This percentage may have even been mentioned in the early handouts to the vicariates -- I'll keep searching.
Jan

Buffalo, NY

#651 Nov 2, 2007
The Dunkirk Connection wrote:
Jan,
Could you please tell me where you read about the diocese expecting a 15 percent loss of parishioners? I know I read it too but can't remember where. Thanks.
I think it was in one of the Am Pol Eagle articles. I know I've seen the 15% projection more than one time. It could have even been in one of the early handouts to the vicariates. I'll keep searching through my papers -- I'll let you know if I find it.
John 3 16

United States

#652 Nov 2, 2007
Further East Parishoner wrote:
Amazing how a priest dedicates his life to helping us become closer with God.
Surely you jest. Haven't you been reading along here?
dba Msgr Gammarelli

AOL

#653 Nov 2, 2007
Carol wrote:
Good stuff in this week's Am-Pol Eagle. I didn't realize a suddenly underfunded cemetery was one of the excuses for closing Holy Trinity. I hear the diocese did the same with St. Adalbert's, telling them that their cemetery, with enough unused burial space to go on for ages, is suddenly severely underfunded (news to them!). I guess they should charge people to tell them where their loved ones are buried like the diocesan cemeteries do now, or maybe charge exorbitant recording fees, making the diocesan cemeteries some of the most expensive in the area. As for the 15%, I understand Sr. Regina said it herself in the East Buffalo cluster meetings. I read in a Boston paper a couple months ago that 3 years later they have lost 20% and there they "only" closed 1/6 of the churches - and without all the lies, blatant favoritism, etc.
It is really interesting that Holy Trinity's cemetery is underfunded. There are those who have been saying that ed Grosz is using cemetery money from St. Stan's cemetery to build his Stanislowowo Kingdom of gold. If modus operandi is operative, then would that explain where the cemetery funds went at Holy Trinity? Didn't His Excellency redecorate there as well? Where did all that money come from? The St. Stan's bulletin stated that any REGISTERED PARISHIONER can go to the rectory and get a copy of the parish financial statement for the year. That would be a very interesting document to see. It would be a miraculous document, really. It would put every closing parish back on the map. They key would be in that single document that only registered parishioners can get their hands on. Why? Becuase with a weekly collection of about $1,000 at St. Stan's, you have millions of dollars worth of remodeling being done. Now, either we have a miracle happening with the collection akin to the miracle of the loaves and fishes OR there is a stash somewhere else that is being depleted unless there are tens of millions in that particular stash. If there are any parishioners of St. Stan's out there... go get the document and let us know where the millions have come from for redecoration of Stanislowowo Disney. So, is it a surprise that Holy Trinity cemetery has no money? I wish the diocese or a pastor would answer where the money went?
dba Msgr Gammarelli

AOL

#654 Nov 2, 2007
You think you have it bad in Bflo? A con man and he is still at a parish! http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/10897331...
The Dunkirk Connection

United States

#655 Nov 2, 2007
Thanks, Jan, for your efforts. 15% equals 105,000 parishioners lost, so the lack of concern on the part of the diocese should be a red flag to ALL of us that they are following the beat of a "different" drum and we are being conned in the process.
I was witness to a conversation where my friend told the bishop that if he closes the Polish churches in Dunkirk, many of the elderly will not join another parish but will stay home and watch the Mass on TV
He replied, "Well then there's something wrong with THEIR faith."
Yep, that's right, Bishop Kmiec, always blame the faithful. It's always their fault no matter what.
The Dunkirk Connection

United States

#656 Nov 2, 2007
For those of you who are church-shopping, I HIGHLY recommend Corpus Christi Church. This parish is Polish to the max AND independent of the diocese. The only one the diocese does not own and so cannot close. The people are so friendy, warm. welcoming and humble, as are the Pauline Fathers from Czestochowa who run it. My 90-year-old mother and I joined even though we live 50 miles away, because when the day comes, we want a funeral Mass celebratd by a true Polish priest, not a diocesan "whatever." These days diocesan priests are like a box of chocolates -- you never know what you going to get, if you get my drift. There are some truly good ones, like Fr. Bialkowski, but only one parish is lucky enough to have him. By the way, I feel quite safe going to church at Corpus Christi, so I think any worries of that nature are by and large unfounded
Dan

Buffalo, NY

#657 Nov 2, 2007
What is the story about the "underfunded" cemetery fund at Holy Trinity? First time I've heard that one. They will use anything as an excuse to close these churches.
Mons Gammarelli

AOL

#658 Nov 2, 2007
Anyone know where exactly in south Floida Ed Kaukus is? And anyone know why he left in such a hurry? Anyone know where exactly Ted Kraus is pastor in CA and why he left the now closed St. Agnes in the middle of the night? Anybody know where the former Father R.B.Michael Oliver is?
Niagara Falls

Buffalo, NY

#659 Nov 2, 2007
The Dunkirk Connection wrote:
Thanks, Jan, for your efforts. 15% equals 105,000 parishioners lost, so the lack of concern on the part of the diocese should be a red flag to ALL of us that they are following the beat of a "different" drum and we are being conned in the process.
I was witness to a conversation where my friend told the bishop that if he closes the Polish churches in Dunkirk, many of the elderly will not join another parish but will stay home and watch the Mass on TV
He replied, "Well then there's something wrong with THEIR faith."
Yep, that's right, Bishop Kmiec, always blame the faithful. It's always their fault no matter what.
Same story here in NF - the elderly say they are not going to church. They will watch it on TV. Can you blame them? These people have been at the same parish for 60, 70, 80 and even 90 years. There hearts and souls are with the parish they love and with the parishioners who are like an extended family. Bishop and Regina have destroyed the lives of many people.
Mons Gammarelli

AOL

#660 Nov 2, 2007
Word has it that ole Kmiec and Regina and others are a tad nervous these days about their decisions to close a few of these parishes! Word has it that it is not exactly as easy as they thought it was, Canonically and legally speaking. Seems with some digging the Canonists have found some ... shall we say.... PROBLEMS with the process. And poor misunderstood Regina... as Ricky Ricardo would say, "she has some splainin' to do."

Ah, this is going to get good!
Mons Gammarelli

AOL

#661 Nov 2, 2007
Oh, check this out! A former Buffalo priest! Go to the 153rd entry at this site.
http://www.advocate.com/poll_results_ektid224...
John 3 16

United States

#662 Nov 2, 2007
What is with all the Polish pride here? You make it sound as though you only want to worship with other people of your own nationality? I feel led to remind you of something:

"For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself". Philippians 3:20-21

Where is the unity in all this talk of ethnicity??? Our identity as Christians should be "Christians" period. The rest needs to be dropped in order to keep unity.

Besides, God RESISTS THE PROUD and gives GRACE to the HUMBLE. 1 Peter 5:5

John
Confused

United States

#663 Nov 2, 2007
Mons Gammarelli,

How do you find the 153rd entry. They are not numbered. Can you make it easier for us?
Gammarelli

AOL

#664 Nov 2, 2007
Confused wrote:
Mons Gammarelli,
How do you find the 153rd entry. They are not numbered. Can you make it easier for us?
It is the entry from a former Buffalo priest. Here it is from the site: "R. B. Michael Oliver, Boston, MA
I am not so sure that the Roman Catholic Church bases its recent teachings on LGBT advances. It's probably a mistake to think that the church cares that much about such developments. As a former RC priest, and an out gay man, I think that much of the church's response has to do with clergy abuse vis-a-vis homophobia, however misplaced that connection may be. And I shall pass in silence the church's deeply rooted culture of self-hatred, as so many ordained priests are also gay men who use the church and the collar to avoid living an authentic life. This latest development is a disturbing, but hardly surprising, result of a growing reactionary, albeit naive, theology and ecclesiology that is a cancer on an institution that should embrace the People of God, instead of creating roadblocks to spirituality and wholeness. "
John 3 16

United States

#665 Nov 2, 2007
Homosexuality is a sin-you can't deny that.

But also, don't forget that we're all sinners.

The difference between a Christian and the "rest of the world" is that a Christian should do his or her best to live a life that is pleasing to God.

Read Romans 6:1 and 6:2.

"Shall we continue in sin that Grace may abound? CERTAINLY NOT! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?"

I struggle with sin too just like everyone else. I recognize that I am a sinner and I ask the Spirit of God to help me avoid it on a daily/hourly/minute to minute basis.

These gay priests should look to the help of Jesus for their sin problems.

It's a sin to be a homosexual just as it's a sin to cheat on your wife, to lie, to kill...

Shame on the prideful gays of the world, priests included.
Ron

United States

#666 Nov 2, 2007
Man, what a crock of christian arrogance..... Ni wonder the Catholic church is the fastest shrinking church in the world.
John 3 16 wrote:
Homosexuality is a sin-you can't deny that.
But also, don't forget that we're all sinners.
The difference between a Christian and the "rest of the world" is that a Christian should do his or her best to live a life that is pleasing to God.
Read Romans 6:1 and 6:2.
"Shall we continue in sin that Grace may abound? CERTAINLY NOT! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?"
I struggle with sin too just like everyone else. I recognize that I am a sinner and I ask the Spirit of God to help me avoid it on a daily/hourly/minute to minute basis.
These gay priests should look to the help of Jesus for their sin problems.
It's a sin to be a homosexual just as it's a sin to cheat on your wife, to lie, to kill...
Shame on the prideful gays of the world, priests included.

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