Buffalo Diocese Announces More Parish...

Buffalo Diocese Announces More Parish Closings Across WNY

There are 62142 comments on the WGRZ Buffalo story from Oct 14, 2007, titled Buffalo Diocese Announces More Parish Closings Across WNY. In it, WGRZ Buffalo reports that:

The Diocese of Buffalo's "Journey of Faith and Grace" has led to the closings of more parishes across Western New York.

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Funerals

Buffalo, NY

#53204 Jan 12, 2013
Anonymous wrote:
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Is he celebrating funerals at St. George's? I thought St. George's was an Anglican church???????
Anything for money. That is the policy for Jacek Mazur. The more money, the better! Do not kid yourself!
anonymous

Lancaster, NY

#53205 Jan 12, 2013
Funerals wrote:
What is the official stipend for a priest by the diocese?
Fifty cents\hour.
Anonymous

Lockport, NY

#53206 Jan 12, 2013
So who is getting St Benedict's
Marino

Buffalo, NY

#53207 Jan 12, 2013
Anonymous wrote:
So who is getting St Benedict's
Lucia might be interested!
Mary of Magdela

Buffalo, NY

#53208 Jan 12, 2013
Jacob Solomon wrote:
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A high bar of evidence (to whom?) is not necessarily a just bar. How many of the people listed in bishopsaccountability.org (not all priests and not all men) have been CONVICTED in any court? Scroll down the list and see how many have been convicted by any court. Some people were dead long before they were accused. Other names appear only because their case was settled (sometimes without their consent) which does not make them guilty. Others still are listed simply because of allegations. This is the United States of America, not some unjust "hearsay" Catholic Church ruling. People are not considered guilty unless proven in a court of law. For those that have been convicted, they deserve the rulings and mockery they get. For those who have NOT been proven guilty, it is ILLEGAL to assume otherwise.
I may like this Jacob person. He is sensible.
Msgr Goodski

Saint James, NY

#53209 Jan 12, 2013
Yes,Jacob Solomon is right. But the problem really lies in the diocese themselves. If every diocese were to publish a list of all those credibly accused, much of the problem would disappear. One does not have to go far to get examples. the Diocese of Buffalo claims that about 60 or so priests were accused,but only 15 names have emerged from sources outside the diocese. This leaves the field wide open of speculation and malicious gossip. Further,the Dallas charter is itself flawed. The late Avery Cardinal Dulles pointed this out. He noted that the acccused did not always get due process. Further,in a few cases,priests removed from miminstry in the USA,have simply hopped across the border to Mexico,et al.
anon

Buffalo, NY

#53210 Jan 12, 2013
Msgr Goodski wrote:
Yes,Jacob Solomon is right. But the problem really lies in the diocese themselves. If every diocese were to publish a list of all those credibly accused, much of the problem would disappear. One does not have to go far to get examples. the Diocese of Buffalo claims that about 60 or so priests were accused,but only 15 names have emerged from sources outside the diocese. This leaves the field wide open of speculation and malicious gossip. Further,the Dallas charter is itself flawed. The late Avery Cardinal Dulles pointed this out. He noted that the acccused did not always get due process. Further,in a few cases,priests removed from miminstry in the USA,have simply hopped across the border to Mexico,et al.
Is there a way the public can get the names of the 60 priests? Isn't it illegal to protect suspected priests,teachers,employees,etc .?
David

Buffalo, NY

#53211 Jan 12, 2013
Sexomania wrote:
Rogliano was the most 'aggressive entertainer of all' at these socalled Shrove Tuesday Parties.
Were there cops in attendence?
Anonymous

United States

#53212 Jan 12, 2013
Msgr Goodski wrote:
Yes,Jacob Solomon is right. But the problem really lies in the diocese themselves. If every diocese were to publish a list of all those credibly accused, much of the problem would disappear. One does not have to go far to get examples. the Diocese of Buffalo claims that about 60 or so priests were accused,but only 15 names have emerged from sources outside the diocese. This leaves the field wide open of speculation and malicious gossip. Further,the Dallas charter is itself flawed. The late Avery Cardinal Dulles pointed this out. He noted that the acccused did not always get due process. Further,in a few cases,priests removed from miminstry in the USA,have simply hopped across the border to Mexico,et al.
If all 60 names were published, would that make 60 crimnals?
The problem is not only a flimpsy and inconsistent definition of "credible allegation", but the fact that both diocese,insurance companies and lawyers are playing a tug-o'-war for money.
Anonymous

United States

#53213 Jan 12, 2013
CORRECTION...
If all 60 names were published, would that make 60 crimnals?
The problem is not only a flimpsy and inconsistent definition of "credible allegation", but the fact that diocese,insurance companies and lawyers are playing a tug-o'-war for money and everybody gets the best deal in a settlement. The accused priest is usually left out to dry.
Msgr Goodski

Saint James, NY

#53214 Jan 12, 2013
Anonymous wrote:
CORRECTION...
If all 60 names were published, would that make 60 crimnals?
The problem is not only a flimpsy and inconsistent definition of "credible allegation", but the fact that diocese,insurance companies and lawyers are playing a tug-o'-war for money and everybody gets the best deal in a settlement. The accused priest is usually left out to dry.
Sometimes,the accuser is made to look the accused. The DOB claims it has paid less than $700,000 in counselling costs.
Msgr Goodski

Saint James, NY

#53215 Jan 12, 2013
Anonymous wrote:
CORRECTION...
If all 60 names were published, would that make 60 crimnals?
The problem is not only a flimpsy and inconsistent definition of "credible allegation", but the fact that diocese,insurance companies and lawyers are playing a tug-o'-war for money and everybody gets the best deal in a settlement. The accused priest is usually left out to dry.
This also raises a good point -- is "credibly accused" the same as "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt",the standard demanded by American jurisprudence. At first glance,"credibly accused" seems to mean "able to be indicted",or "reasonable suspicions". Back to the drawing board on the Dallas Charter.
Anonymous

Buffalo, NY

#53216 Jan 12, 2013
Anonymous wrote:
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A good broom sweeps clean!
Martino and his betrothed need to get a life.
Is this Andy G? from CC?
anon

Buffalo, NY

#53217 Jan 12, 2013
Marino wrote:
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Lucia might be interested!
We hear she is desperately looking for a job.
anon

Buffalo, NY

#53218 Jan 12, 2013
Msgr Goodski wrote:
<quoted text>This also raises a good point -- is "credibly accused" the same as "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt",the standard demanded by American jurisprudence. At first glance,"credibly accused" seems to mean "able to be indicted",or "reasonable suspicions". Back to the drawing board on the Dallas Charter.
You are pretty full of baloney. If you have to debate this much, we know there is no justice and no desire to find justice let alone look for it.
Jean

Montréal, Canada

#53219 Jan 12, 2013
Msgr Goodski wrote:
<quoted text>Sometimes,the accuser is made to look the accused. The DOB claims it has paid less than $700,000 in counselling costs.
The accuser should also have her day in court and so be proud to have her due. That's how American system works.
anon

Buffalo, NY

#53220 Jan 12, 2013
Marino wrote:
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Lucia might be interested!
Why dont you leave her alone too , you lousy #$%^%^&*()*&^%$#@ backstabbing FREAK. I hope you are not from the Latin Mass . The English mass has been destroyed. So it could only be one of the knife wielding Sicilians that you can never trust. I am ashamed that something like this can come from an Italian church. And if your new pastor puts up with it he is either an accomplice or very scared.
anon

Buffalo, NY

#53221 Jan 12, 2013
Msgr Goodski wrote:
<quoted text>This also raises a good point -- is "credibly accused" the same as "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt",the standard demanded by American jurisprudence. At first glance,"credibly accused" seems to mean "able to be indicted",or "reasonable suspicions". Back to the drawing board on the Dallas Charter.
Credibly accused can never mean guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. No lawyer is needed to explain it. Only a cannon for the peron who came up with the concept to begin with. A Travesty...Ask anybody. Hitler would have been more fair.
anon

Buffalo, NY

#53222 Jan 12, 2013
Jean wrote:
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The accuser should also have her day in court and so be proud to have her due. That's how American system works.
No ! the American system is not working that way at all. What is on paper is not what is practiced. Where have you been. Check the ratings for USA from Amnesty International. Priests have no civil rights whatsoever because of the separation of church and state. If you adhere to a religion it's OK for that religion to take away your civil rights. Hello Civil Liberties Union? Not likely, They would not know where to begin.
Polish National

United States

#53223 Jan 12, 2013
anon wrote:
<quoted text>Is there a way the public can get the names of the 60 priests? Isn't it illegal to protect suspected priests,teachers,employees,etc .?
No, it is not illegal. It is a duty
... like to cover one's ass.

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