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Sunflower

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#1 Jan 25, 2006
Inmate's case raises mental health issues
Las Vegas Sun | Monday Jan 9
By Matt Pordum < matt.pordum@lasvegassun.com > Las Vegas Sun Arie Redeker seems to have found all the trouble spots.
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Nevada has a seriously broken mental health system.
For the State of Nevada to charge Arie Redeker with first degree murder and seek the death penalty says that legal system out there is obviously broken too... either THAT, or the prosecutor is also a victim of the mental health system out there.

And where's the responsiblity with the medical professionals who are held to standards of care that should have prevented this?

Unbelievable.
Marigold

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#2 Feb 7, 2006
Inmate's case raises mental health issues
Las Vegas Sun | Monday Jan 9
By Matt Pordum < matt.pordum@lasvegassun.com > Las Vegas Sun Arie Redeker seems to have found all the trouble spots.
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What if the police interrogated you and held you under "investigative detention" for hours until you gave them a confession they want to hear -- one that didn't seem to match the coroner's findings -- and THEN read you your rights?

That would be horrible.

Now... what if the police knew you were in a mental health crisis and out of medications with no treatment for days and did this?

And what if one told you that it sounds like you wore out your welcome at the hospitals?

That certainly would be a shameful way to treat someone in a mental health crisis.

Marigold

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#3 Feb 8, 2006
February 08, 2006

Cops said to be ignoring Miranda
Public defender accuses Metro of skirting rules
By Matt Pordum <matt.pordum@lasvegassun.co m>
Las Vegas Sun

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/tex...

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Unable to post the entire article due to limit on characters for posts. The article is a must read though.

Here's a few bits....

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Coffee contends that some Metro officers - specifically, Detective Ken Hardy - use "investigative detentions" to intimidate people into voluntarily speaking with police, circumventing Miranda warnings in order to draw legally questionable confessions.

Metro Officer Brian Jensen later testified that after searching the unoccupied home, he and another officer saw Redeker driving by and ordered him to stop. Jensen said Redeker was removed from the vehicle, patted down for weapons and handcuffed for roughly 20 minutes.

While Redeker was handcuffed, he gave police officers permission to search his home. From that moment on, Jensen testified, Redeker was held under investigative detention, and though he was not free to leave, was not under arrest.

For almost six hours, Redeker remained under investigative detention while up to eight officers and detectives investigated his home, property and questioned him in the back of a police car.

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A read of the entire article is a must.

This is outrageous if it happened to a regular citizen. But Jensen, Hardy and Jackson KNEW Arie was was off medications and had no mental health treatment for days. How level of a playing field is that? To take advantage of a person in a mental health crisis and hold him and interrogate him for 6 hours until he tells them what they want to hear... and THEN reads him his rights.

Awful. Shame on them.

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Sunflower

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#4 Feb 8, 2006
A talented reporter who is not afraid to take on a story that others might find "too political" .. or that others might fear would infuriate certain folks. Matt Pordum does it again! Way to go Matt Pordum! This reporter's talents would be perfect for a Court TV type news show!
Lily

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#5 Feb 8, 2006
Cops said to be ignoring Miranda
Public defender accuses Metro of skirting rules
By Matt Pordum <matt.pordum@lasvegassun.co m>
Las Vegas Sun

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/tex...

"While Redeker was handcuffed, he gave police officers permission to search his home" ?!?!?!?!

Well geez.. handcuff me, take away my keys, confiscate my wallet and I'd probably be too scared NOT what the police want!

Figure in that Arie was off his medications and the ER let him walk out the door and I don't think it would be too difficult to make him agree to search his home after they were already in there.
Rose

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#6 Feb 8, 2006
February 08, 2006

Cops said to be ignoring Miranda
Public defender accuses Metro of skirting rules
By Matt Pordum <matt.pordum@lasvegassun.co m>
Las Vegas Sun

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/tex...

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"Redeker was held under investigative detention, and though he was not free to leave, was not under arrest."
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Well that makes sense! You aren't under arrest, but we'll hand cuff you, take your keys and your wallet and question you in the back seat of a police cruiser.

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"For almost six hours, Redeker remained under investigative detention while up to eight officers and detectives investigated his home, property and questioned him in the back of a police car."
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Oh my God! So how long is "investigative detention" supposed to last? Apparently until Jensen, Hardy, Jackson and the rest get the confession they want? Unbelievable! Citizens should be outraged!

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Jasmine

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#7 Feb 8, 2006
Cops said to be ignoring Miranda
Public defender accuses Metro of skirting rules
By Matt Pordum <matt.pordum@lasvegassun.co m>
Las Vegas Sun

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/tex...
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"In all three cases, a judge ruled that Redeker, Calvin and Gonzales were not in custody at the time of their confessions. Coffee has asked District Judge Donald Mosley to reconsider a motion to have Redeker's statement to Hardy suppressed because of the Supreme Court's Seibert ruling."
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District Judge Donald Mosley? Wait a minute. I think I heard about that guy. Isn't he the guy who is soft on sentences for child molesters?

http://www.lasvegastribune.com/20050107/headl...

Another miscarriage of justice occurred in Judge Don Mosley's courtroom when another child molester walked out on probation after admitting to the crime.

James Bullard was arrested in June of 2004 and charged with Sexual Assault and Lewdness with a Victim Under The Age of 14.

On December 15, 2004 after a deal made with the District Attorney reduced the charges to Coercion (Sexually Motivated). Bullard was sentenced in District Court Department 14 by Judge Mosley.

In a police report obtained by Las Vegas Tribune the victim, then 14, said that she called the police and reported that on one occasion in the summer of 2003 she was drinking alcohol. On her way home she saw James Bullard and he told her that she did not look well and he offered to give her a glass of water from his apartment.

According to the report the victim stated that while she was in James Bullard's apartment he started kissing her and she passed out.

When she woke up, according to the report "she was lying in bed next to Mr. Bullard and her pants and panties were off".

"James Bullard told her to go home and that she should not tell anyone what had happened", the report reads.

In the report the victim stated that she did have a small amount of bleeding from her vagina and that she was a virgin prior to the instant offense.

Sources close to the case told the Tribune that because Bullard did not deny his involvement in the crime and because time has passed it would have been very difficult for the prosecutor to prove the case and a so deal was reached.

The original charges carry a sentence of two to six but because of the deal Bullard pled guilty to a lesser charge of Coercion (Sexually Motivated) that carries a sentence of no less that one year and no more than three years in the State Penitentiary. The court could also impose a fine of not more than $5,000.00.

The State agreed not to make recommendation at sentencing.

On the day of the sentencing, Judge Mosley, who has become notorious for his leniency with child molesters, suspended the sentence and gave Bullard five years probation.

As a sex offender Bullard, 21, who is also known as James Robert McCowan has no previous convictions, record or arrests will have to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life unless the law change, according to another courthouse source.

In 2003 a Henderson Priest who molested and sexually abused five children was given only three years probation by Judge Donald Mosley.

Mosley refused to send the priest, who was represented by a friend and supporter, to prison.

More recently Judge Mosley made headlines when the Nevada Supreme Court upheld the $5,000.00 fine imposed by the Commission on Judicial Discipline.

The punishment is the result of Mosley's long custody battle with the mother of his child. He used the court letterhead to write a letter to his son's school. Using his judicial position he could have hoped to gain an advantage in the case by scaring the principals in the school.

At Bullard's sentencing the father of the victim who was expecting a more severe punishment was very disappointed with Mosley's ruling.
knew arie and the victim

Warren, NJ

#8 Mar 1, 2006
Jasmine wrote:
Cops said to be ignoring Miranda
Public defender accuses Metro of skirting rules
By Matt Pordum <matt.pordum@lasvegassun.co m>
Las Vegas Sun

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/tex...
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I find it ridiculous that everyone in this thread has lost track of the fact that a beautiful young woman with a sweet little child died at his hands. Miranda or not, we need to protect the victims.

I knew Arie and Tuk. Tuk was a terrific, caring person. Arie is a self absorbed phoney. It's a shame that no one realizes that he admitted to the crime early in the process.

It's also terrible when a public defender trying to make a name for himself causes delay to closure for the family.
Veronica

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#9 Mar 5, 2006
knew arie and the victim wrote:
<quoted text>I find it ridiculous that everyone in this thread has lost track of the fact that a beautiful young woman with a sweet little child died at his hands. Miranda or not, we need to protect the victims.

I knew Arie and Tuk. Tuk was a terrific, caring person. Arie is a self absorbed phoney. It's a shame that no one realizes that he admitted to the crime early in the process.

It's also terrible when a public defender trying to make a name for himself causes delay to closure for the family.
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To: "Knew Arie and the Victim"

First of all, by the sound of your post, you didn't know Arie or Tuk. Second.. no one has "lost track" that there is a dead person in all of this. Third, it's not just about "Miranda." Finally, a person's right to a fair trial with ALL the facts being presented has NOTHING to with delaying "closure" to the family.

Yes, "we need to protect the victims."
The state of Nevada needs to protect victims of their broken mental health system. You see, when someone who walks into a mental health facility for help and is assessed by medical professionals as being suicidal, depressed, out of psychiatric medications, impaired thought process, wrist abrasions, hypertension, past hospitalization, bipolar / manic depression diagnosis, and a possible homicidal risk.. and is allowed to walk out untreated, we are all victims. THAT is what happened to Arie Redeker. He was simply allowed to walk out untreated. Not taking this aspect into consideration is just plain ignorant. Law enforcement recognized the mental health issue and appeared to take advantage.

As far as Arie having "admitted to the crime early on".. you are lacking some important information. Not only was he held for over 6 hours, he was going on days without treatment, days after abrupt withdrawl of psych medication while the police interrogated him and got a confession out of him that "they wanted to hear".. the confession does not even match the autopsy findings!! THIS shortly after he was allowed to walk out of the ER after he was transfered from the mental health facility for "medical clearance" (a requirement in Nevada).

This should not have happened to begin with. The fact that police interrogated Arie without Miranda, held him for over 6 hours without probable cause until he "confessed" to something that doesn't match the autopsy report is bad enough. That is awful if it happened a "regular" person.. but ADD the mental health aspect to it and it's horrifying.

And the State of Nevada seeks the death penalty? Absolutely outrageous.

What irks me most about your post "knew Arie and the victim".. is that you come across with the assumption that those of us who care about the issues I've presented to you have no sympathy for the victim and family.. and that couldn't be further from the truth.

I think that seeing this picture as a whole indeed shows caring about the deceased, the family of the deceased, those in need of adequate mental health care in Nevada, and the general public.

Vengeance accomplishes nothing... not even closure for the family as you've been led to believe.

Veronica
Veronica

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#10 May 13, 2006
Public Defender Scott Coffee...
This case is going on 4 years old. Yet only recently the mental health issue became public via an article by Matt Pordum. Why is that? Shouldn't this have been something you should have been talking about from the start? Hasn't the mental health crisis been a big story out there in Nevada before this tragedy and still today?

Arie is a person who reached out for help. He was out of psych medication and assessed by medical professionals as having suicidal and homicidal risk factors, wrist abrasions, suicidal thoughts, depression, high blood pressue, impaired judgement, etc. He was transferred via ambulance from the psych facility to the ER where he was allowed to walk out onto the streets UNTREATED shortly before this tragedy. He placed himself in the hands of medical professionals in a deeply flawed mental health system. Why is he facing 1st degree murder / death penalty? Why nothing about this where his case is concerned until a recent article by a reporter from the Las Vegas Sun?

He was held for about 6 hours with no probable cause by police who knew the condition he was in.. until he confessed to strangulation which doesn't seem to even match the coroner's findings or testimony.

Public Defender Scott Coffee..
Are you really going to let this trial move forward without addressing these issues?

How do we prevent tragedies like this from happening again if we are just going to ignore what happened to Arie with regards to the mental health issue so shortly before?

I would think that this is a case that could bring about awareness to a mental health crisis that has been plaguing Nevada for years. With awareness brings change. It's only with change that we can prevent more tragedies such as this. People with mental health issues deserve better than this.
Veronica

United States

#11 May 19, 2006
Las Vegas cops shoot and kill handcuffed teen.
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Metro speaks out about fatal shooting of handcuffed teen suspect
May 16, 2006, 04:50 PM

We are learning more about an officer-involved shooting that left a handcuffed teenager dead. Metro now confirms they received tips connecting two suspects arrested over the weekend with the murder of Kyle Staheli. Staheli's body was found in the desert on Saturday on Los Feliz, near Bonanza and Hollywood.

Metro says an informant lead them to a local apartment complex on Saturday morning, where they took two teenage suspects into custody. One of them was identified by family members as 17 year old Swuave Lopez.

Officers handcuffed Lopez and sat him in the front seat of an unmarked police cruiser. Metro says Scranton took off, despite orders from officers to stop running. During Monday afternoon's press conference, Metro's Deputy Chief was asked if the officers shot and killed the handcuffed teen because they felt their lives were at risk.

"It would be inappropriate for me to speculate as to how the officers felt," said Metro's Deputy Chief Greg McCurdy. I'm not here to do that. What we're here to do is tell you we're gathering the facts. The officers did good police work.

The Metro detectives involved in the shooting have been identified as Kenneth Hardy and Shane Womack. Hardy has been with Metro for 20 years; Womack 6. Both are on paid administrative leave until further investigation.
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Detective KEN HARDY. Same cop who held and interrogated Arie Redeker for hours until he confessed to something that does not the autopsy report.. and THEN read him Miranda rights. Arie was in a mental health crisis and had been transferred from a mental health facility to Summerlin ER and allowed to walk out UNTREATED (Arie Redeker). Another article says that KEN HARDY who is known for the tactic of holding someone until they "confess"... and THEN reading them their rights.

Shame. The KID (Swauve Lopez) was handcuffed. Was Detective Ken Hardy just too tired and out of shape to run after him or something? How do you justify shooting a CHILD in the back who is hancuffed? Yes, I am aware that the kid was suspected (KEYWORD: SUSPECTED) of being involved in the murder of another teen, but there is just no excuse for shooting a handcuffed kid in the back! How is a HANDCUFFED teenager a threat to officers who are NOT handcuffed, have weapons on them, a a pair of legs to run after the teen? A handcuffed teenager wouldn't have gotten very far.

My sympathy goes out to the family of the boy who Swauve Lopez is suspected of being involved in kiling. But my sympathy also goes out to the family of the Swauve Lopez... a HANDCUFFED TEENAGER who was shot in the back by Ken Hardy and another officer.

Article states that Ken Hardy has been on the job for 20 years. Would be interesting to see the other incidences he's been involved in.

I hope there will be an independent investigation. I just can't see how Las Vegas Police can justify this.
Veronica

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#12 May 22, 2006
Teen murder suspect's grandmother: Why did they have to kill?

May 17, 2006, 07:40 AM

A local grandmother is lashing out against Metro Police for shooting and killing her 17 year old grandson. Swuave Lopez was shot and killed Saturday after being arrested on suspicion of murder. Detectives say he was handcuffed and running from officers when he was shot in the back.

The teen's grandmother has a lot of questions for police. She wants to know why those two detectives had to shoot her grandson, instead of just chasing him down. She says her grandson was murdered by police and someone needs to be held responsible.

"They killed him. They murdered my grandson for no reason. Why did they have to kill?"

Jacueline Scranton says her 17 year old grandson, Swuave Lopez, wasn't posing any threat when he ran away from police early Saturday morning. Investigators say Lopez was handcuffed when he was shot twice in the back by two Metro detectives.

The teenager died later at the hospital. Scranton says race definitely played a role in this shooting. Before the shooting, police had arrested Lopez on suspicion of murder. Investigators believe he was involved in the killing of Kyle Staheli whose body was found in the desert that same day.

Lopez's grandma says she doesn't think her son had anything to do with that murder -- but she really doesn't know for sure. "My heart tells me I don't think so. The kid that I knew, the Swuave that I knew... I would say no."

Police also arrested one of Lopez's friends for that same murder. Meantime, Metro detectives are investigating this deadly police shooting and they're really asking everyone out there to be patient and not rush to judgement. They say their officers did good police work.

So far this year there have been 12 officer-involved shootings in Metro's jurisdiction. Compare that to 11 for all of 2005.

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Why DID they have to kill this handcuffed teen by shooting him in the back?

Same cop who held and interrogated Arie Redeker for hours until he confessed to something that doesn't match the autopsy report, and THEN read him his rights.

Arie Redeker was allowed to walk out of the ER without treatment after being transferred in an ambulance from a mental health facility. He was out of medication for days and had been assessed with serious mental health issues requiring treatment.

It's a scary world we live in when an officer treats someone in a mental health crisis like that and kills a handcuffed kid by shooting him in the back.

Jacueline Scranton.. I have the same questions you have.
I am deeply sorry for the pain in your heart. My sympathy and prayers go out to you.
ROFLMAO

Cincinnati, OH

#13 May 22, 2006
knew arie and the victim wrote:
<quoted text>I find it ridiculous that everyone in this thread has lost track of the fact that a beautiful young woman with a sweet little child died at his hands. Miranda or not, we need to protect the victims.
I knew Arie and Tuk. Tuk was a terrific, caring person. Arie is a self absorbed phoney. It's a shame that no one realizes that he admitted to the crime early in the process.
It's also terrible when a public defender trying to make a name for himself causes delay to closure for the family.
You've got to be kidding??? It appears that just about "everyone" in this thread is one person who likes flowers!!!! But in this case, a Marigold by any other name would be called a TROLL!!! LOL
Veronica

United States

#14 May 22, 2006
ROFLMAO wrote:
<quoted text>You've got to be kidding??? It appears that just about "everyone" in this thread is one person who likes flowers!!!! But in this case, a Marigold by any other name would be called a TROLL!!! LOL
OK TROLL... you can go home now.
Veronica

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#15 May 24, 2006
http://www.practicalhomicide.com/cal.htm

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Found the above in a google search. Take a look at the March 2006 seminars. Looks like Detective Hardy teaches a seminar about the use of deadly force. I wonder if the seminar mentions anything about shooting teenagers in the back who are handcuffed and unarmed?
Veronica

Los Angeles, CA

#16 Jun 27, 2006
Keeping Arie off death row / 30-life or whatever else is NOT considered a victory... not with all the relevent issues that still haven't been addressed. It's an injustice not to address the important issues. Would be like sweeping it all under the rug.
also knew Tuk and Arie

Edinburg, TX

#17 Jul 4, 2006
I also knew both Tuk and Arie and can't believe that all these comments are directed to feel sorry for Arie. Has everyone forgottet about Tuk?? She was a wonderful person with two beautiful children, one of them his. He killed a wonderful human being, friend, mother. There are numerous people that run out of their meds and don't kill their girlfriends - stop feeling sorry for him!!
To Austin TX

Syracuse, NY

#18 Jul 14, 2006
also knew Tuk and Arie wrote:
I also knew both Tuk and Arie and can't believe that all these comments are directed to feel sorry for Arie. Has everyone forgottet about Tuk?? She was a wonderful person with two beautiful children, one of them his. He killed a wonderful human being, friend, mother. There are numerous people that run out of their meds and don't kill their girlfriends - stop feeling sorry for him!!
Shame on you for your lack of compassion. Everyone in this tragedy deserves our support, especially Arie.
To Austin Tx

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#19 Jul 14, 2006
Yes, shame on you Austin, TX.
How could you read the facts regarding the mental health events so shortly before and ignore those?
Obviously, you lack understanding in regtards to the mental health system. That's a shame.
Arie walked into Monte Vista Mental health center out of medications and in a mental health crisis on 10/19/02. PER NEVADA's LAWS, he was transferred to Summerlin Hospital for "medical clearance" where he was supposed to be "cleared" and transferred back to Monte Vista for inpatient treatment. However.. he was simply allowed to walk out untreated after waiting for hours on a gurney in the condition he was in.
These were SOME of the problems that were documented:
-Bipolar disorder and OUT OF MEDICATIONS (dangerous)
-Hypertension
-alcohol consumption
-wrist abrasions
-recent suicide attempts
-11 out of 24 "suicide risk factors" checked off
-1 out of 10 "homicidal risk factors" checked off
-not oriented to date
-confused
-poor recent memory
-poor remote memory
-pressured speech
-prior hospitalization for mental health related issues
-grossly impaired judement
-poor insight
flat and labile mood / affect
PER NEVADA's laws, this COULD HAVE and SHOULD HAVE been prevented. Although Arie was a "voluntary" patient, this did NOT mean that he didn't require an involuntary hold once the medical professionals noticed that he was gone. The symptoms documented were enough to show that he was indeed a danger to himself or others and SHOULD have been held and treated.
Medical professionals KNOW that these are symptoms that would become WORSE without stabilization. And as we can see... they certainly did.
Unbelievably, no one else but Arie has been held accountable for this. He placed himself in the hands of medical professionals while he was able to do so and it appears that the system failed him terribly. Not only that, but look through google and you will find countless reports on Nevada's mental health crisis. Arie is a victim of Nevada's broken mental health system.
Outrageous... absolutely OUTRAGEOUS that Arie is even being tried for 1st degree murder and facing a possible death sentence. Shame, shame, shame on the State of Nevada for their failed mental health system and for charging a victim of THEIR flawed mental health system with first degree murder.
And what if medical professionals who assessed Arie with these symptoms HAD placed an involuntary hold on him? Well... his car would have been in Monte Vista's parking lot where he left it.. and he would have been an inpatient.
He wouldn't have walked home in the middle of the night. Tuk wouldn't have picked his car up from Monte Vista and brought it to him so that he could try and get back to the hospital.
By then... with NO TREATMENT for those severe symptoms assessed at the facilities.. the symptoms had indeed gotten worse.
This tragedy could have been prevented. The state of Nevada should show some accountability for this instead of charging a victim of their mental health system with capital murder.
Shame on Nevada.
How you can't see the responsibility that others should share in this is mind boggling. Tell me, Austin, Tx.. how safe does it make you feel when someone who is assessed by medical professionals with symptoms consistent with being a danger to himself or others is allowed to simply walk out untreated?
Veronica

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#20 Jul 14, 2006
Here's a FEW of the countless reports about Nevada's broken mental health system. They span from before Arie's arrest to the present.....

"Yesterday we had 11 people waiting here for more than a day to go to Las Vegas Mental Health (Center)," said Dr. Dale Carrison, director of emergency services at University Medical Center. "The tragedy is that these people aren't getting treated, and they're taking up beds that could be for people with medical emergencies."
Dr. Jonna Triggs, director of Southern Nevada Adult Mental Health Services, said that for months the center has been full, often leaving as many as 27 mentally ill people waiting in area emergency rooms for a bed to open. Triggs said 23 mentally ill people were waiting in Southern Nevada emergency rooms on Wednesday.
Mental Health: Guinn plan gets mixed reception August 15, 2002 -- Las Vegas Review Journal

When emergency workers take patients to emergency rooms, they must wait at the hospital until medical personnel can accept the patient.
"It's not unusual for police or emergency response personnel to spend eight hours with an inebriated or mentally ill person in crisis," said Metro Police Chief of Policy and Planning Kathryn Landreth, who also is the chairwoman of the Southern Nevada Adult Mental Health Coalition and a task force member.
In September University Medical Center had 175 psychiatric patients who were held for 2,390 hours, Kraft said. At all area hospitals during the same period, 645 psychiatric patients were held for 7,764 hours, Kraft said.
The Task Force report says the reason the afflicted are being held in emergency rooms for so long is there are insufficient mental health beds available, and that the state should take action to add more.
Southern Nevada Adult Mental Health on West Charleston Boulevard has only 10 crisis observation beds and 78 inpatient beds, the report says, noting that as many as 45 patients at a time were being held in local emergency rooms waiting for beds to become available at the mental hospital.
Money Sought for crisis triage center October 15, 2002 -- Las Vegas Sun

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