Illegal Immigration Will Destroy the USA in 40 Years

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Chito Harjo

Albuquerque, NM

#1 Apr 12, 2010
I have been a human rights advocate in the Latino communities in the Washington, DC region for over 25 years, and have been married to a Latina, who was herself undocumented, during that same time period. I am therefore sympathetic to the plight of the undocumented. Many truly are refugees from violence, and especially from brutal gender discrimination, also known as machismo.
I am also a specialist in human trafficking and gender exploitation issues impacting Latin America.
After seeing Ďhow the sausage is madeí from inside the Latino immigrant community, here are some honest observations:
1. Latin America has a land mass and natural resources that are equal to what the U.S. and Canada have available.
2. Latin America has a well established culture that has supported itself for centuries (admittedly with many oppressive elements in the mix).
3. Therefore, there is no pressing need, from a Ďsurvivalí standpoint, for Latin Americans to flee to the U.S. by the millions. Billions of other world citizens are more impoverished than Mexicans and other Latin Americans.
4. What is true is that state corruption, often brutal gender inequality, racism against especially indigenous peoples (who are 30% of Mexico), elitism that leaves the poor without social services, education and jobs, and a Roman Empire-derived feudalism that still concentrates wealth with a few and impoverishes the majority, causes the poor and working classes of Latin America to flee to the best available escape valve: the United States.
5. What is also true is that Latin America, because of its religious convictions, has chosen to grow its population explosively, while the U.S. and Canada had the discussion about overpopulation starting in the 1970s, and we chose not to have more children than we, or our planet can support.
6. Specifically, in 1950, Latin America had a population of 170 million people. In 1950, the U.S. and Canada combined also had a population of 170 million.
7. In 2010, Latin Americaís population (which includes virtually no immigration) is 577 million, or 3.4 times the 1950 level.
8. In 2010, the combined U.S. and Canadian population (which includes massive legal and undocumented immigration) totals 340 million, which is 2.0 times the 1950 level.
9. During the past 60 years, the U.S. and Canada doubled, while Latin America more than tripled its population.
10. By 2050, Latin America will grow to an estimated 809 million people.
11. By 2050, the U.S. and Canada will grow to less than 400 million (depending largely on the rate of immigration).
12. If Latin America cannot sustain itself today in 2010 (more because of unequal resource distribution rather than any lack of resources) with a population of 577 million, how will it be able to sustain itself in 2050, when it will have to feed an additional 250 million (and some estimates say 350 million) people?(The unfortunate answer is likely to be by stripping the U.S. for parts).
13. In addition, if global climate change really takes off, the snow-capped peaks that provide water and electric power throughout much of Latin America will dry-up (estimated to happen in 40 years in Ecuador, for example). Farmlands can also be expected to dry-up in many areas.
Chito Harjo

Albuquerque, NM

#2 Apr 12, 2010
The most disingenuous part of the pro-legalization lobbyís push from Comprehensive Immigration Reform is a failure to mention these critical population dynamics.
Their other major fault is in not being honest with the American people in saying that they are not seeking just a compassionate solution for the 12 to 30 million migrants already here. They are also asking that their immediate relatives be allowed to come in under family reunification, to be followed by their relativesí relatives. That chain migration by itself may total 100 million people in the next few decades.
Latin America also has serious issues with gender and racial equality. As an American of color who advocates for gender equality within the U.S. Latino community, I can honestly say that importing severe, culturally institutionalized misogyny and anti-Black and anti-indigenous racial prejudice from Mexico and other regions of Latin America is not in Americaís best interest.
If you really believe in progressive, anti-racist values, I would expect you to agree with the following idea: for every one Mexican immigrant who comes to the U.S., allow one African immigrant, alternating with perhaps an impoverished Asian immigrant, to come to Mexico as a permanent migrant. Poor, hard working and morally upright people from Darfur Sudan, Liberia, Ethiopia, Ivory Coast, Congo and other impoverished conflict areas will contribute to Mexico's economy, and will help make all of the villages abandoned by migrants to the U.S. productive again.
The only problem is that Mexico has severe problems with racism, and would reject that idea, even if it benefits Mexico culturally and economically.
And you as a progressive person can support that blatantly racist reaction how and why???
AlsoÖ
Prison-based Latino gangs, with their thousands of often undocumented street Ďtroops,í are already collaborating with the Aryan Nation to target African Americans for racial harassment, intimidation and murder. The U.S. Justice Department arrested 60 gang member s in Los Angeles, a while back, on charges of targeting Black people for murder based only on their race.
In addition...
The current CIR legislation does nothing, in real terms, to improve U.S. southern border security. It hopes that the biometric worker ID card (which U.S. citizens will rightly reject) will cause migrants to stay home. The reality is that under-the-table, black market low wage labor will always exist. President Obama and pro-reform legislators are quietly pulling back from defending the U.S. Mexican border, and are at the same time saying that a biometric ID card will be the replacement for the fence and the virtual fence. Ha, ha, ha. That argument will last 5 minutes in congressional debate on the bill.
The U.S. can do much to assist Latin America get on its own two feet (as it has done with billions in aid over several decades).
But Latin Americaís nations and peoples must learn that the U.S. is not the regionís social services department. They must also learn that they cannot continue irresponsible population growth while relying on the idea that the U.S. will always be there as the escape valve and flowing breast of milk and honey to support that project. Most importantly, it is not the responsibility of blue collar workers (construction workers, for example), to swear a vow of unending poverty and/or unemployment because Latin America does not want to control its birth rate.
When Americaís bread basket starts to go dry during a climate crisis in 20, 40 or 60 years, it will be too late to control rampant population growth and free-for-all immigration at that time.
For Latin Americans and U.S. citizens, the time to think, and to act responsibly, is now!
Chito Harjo

Albuquerque, NM

#5 Apr 12, 2010
Sorry, this topix forum is weak. This is from a poster named Chito Harjo posted in the SJ Mercury.

Some very telling facts about illegals most probably do not understand.

We must end illegal immigration. No Amnesty. Not now, not ever again.
Grimreaper

Phoenix, AZ

#6 Apr 12, 2010
Amen just start getting rid of them.No amnesty for the illegals.The illegals do not understand that when the american citizens have had enough of the illuminati and the illegals its gonna a hot day in the usa.Maybe even tired of protecting the very people that are screwing us all the jews.We might just haev a great american cleaning house.The worthless= gangbangers,federal government officials,aryans,jews?,Illegal immigrants.banks and bankers?
Ray

Los Angeles, CA

#7 Apr 12, 2010
They need to get to the back of the line!
Real American

Rogue River, OR

#8 Apr 13, 2010
With so many of them in those countries, they should be able to overtake any government.With just throwing rocks. Imagine how many that would be!
As for them having babies left and right, I have no sympathy for them. There is birth control. It's called saying no!!!
The reason they are having babies here, in the U.S.,is because they will overpopulate us in 10 years.And that's what they want.
A hispanic professor in Los Angeles said "we will take our country back without firing a shot, because we are having babies and the stupid gringos aren't". His words not mine. And God help us, they are trying.
Bubba

Hobbs, NM

#9 Apr 15, 2010
There is Estimated 13 to 15 million people FROM MEXICO currently in the United States without authorization. Why are they special? There is a process. Why should they be rewarded with citizenship after not going through that process, WE NEED TO ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS,

AND GO AFTER THE EMPLOYERS WHO HIRE ILLEGALíS AND FINE THOSE WITH HEFTY FINES.

The path to citizenship should not be made easier; in fact, we should require that children born here be required to have 2 parents who are citizens, in order for the infant to be considered a citizen.
No reward for breaking the law Illegalís give no aid of any kind, Rewarding illegal will only encourage more of the same. NO benefits to the Illegalís and they will go home when they have no social services and no schools to send their children too.

ABSOLUTLY NO AMNESTY !! I think I speak for MOST AMERICANS who have been hurt by the illegalís being here.


old huzzy

Hobbs, NM

#10 Apr 15, 2010
Bubba wrote:
There is Estimated 13 to 15 million people FROM MEXICO currently in the United States without authorization. Why are they special? There is a process. Why should they be rewarded with citizenship after not going through that process, WE NEED TO ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS,
AND GO AFTER THE EMPLOYERS WHO HIRE ILLEGALíS AND FINE THOSE WITH HEFTY FINES.
The path to citizenship should not be made easier; in fact, we should require that children born here be required to have 2 parents who are citizens, in order for the infant to be considered a citizen.
No reward for breaking the law Illegalís give no aid of any kind, Rewarding illegal will only encourage more of the same. NO benefits to the Illegalís and they will go home when they have no social services and no schools to send their children too.
ABSOLUTLY NO AMNESTY !! I think I speak for MOST AMERICANS who have been hurt by the illegalís being here.
HEY BUBBA, how about we take the children born tu these illegals and let american citizens adopt them, send the parents back tu where they came from, after all its their children whu are the american citizens right....
Walk the Talk

Rio Rancho, NM

#11 Apr 16, 2010
Huzzy, they can take their anch or s back with them. In the hearts and minds of citizens in America, they are not Americans. They are tools used to secure something for illegals that they have no right to demand.
Just Me

Hobbs, NM

#12 Apr 17, 2010
Jobs that illegalís do and GET PAID UNDER THE TABLE TAX-FREE.

Before the housing bubble popped illegal was doing real good, in construction.

Interstate and highway contractorís illegal works there, Restaurant chains, kitchen help, illegalís.

Meat and poultry packing facilities, illegal, I think thatís one of the reasons why there are E. coli and salmonella outbreakís illegal they come here sick

Big apartment buildings and hospitals, maintenance and ground keeping and housekeeping illegalís. Speaking of housekeeping, congressmen and senators governors, lot of them have illegal taking care of their property and homes even ex-presidents that live in Texas have illegal.

Cities throughout the United States, maintenance workers and sanitation workers, illegalís ,City golf courses and PGA golf courses, illegalís.

These are some of the jobs ILLEGALíS takes away from LEGAL IMMIGRANTS and tax paying born American citizens.

And in a lot of cases, Mr. and Mrs. illegal have five or six or more US-born children Which entitles them to everything that US citizens. Which puts them into the welfare program and a whole lot more free medical and dental, and home utilities aid.

And if there are four or five illegalís working the same job site and living together, making $15 an hour tax-free and nothing being deducted.
They are rolling in money, Look at what they are driving and having no problems paying for the gas.

It is like this all over the United States where there is work to be found.

And then there are the American-born with Social Security number and birth certificate, high school diploma college graduate, Latinos, Hispanics, Mexicans, what ever they want to be called, wonder why they do not have jobs.

The reason why employers would much rather pay $15 under the table to illegalís. They donít have to deal with UNIONS causing problems, and all of the other BS that goes with US citizens.
Old Gringo

Englewood, CO

#13 Apr 17, 2010
E. Coli is normal flora in the intestinal tracts of all mammals including humans. E. Coli contamination occurs in meat after the animal leaves the killing floor, is suspended and the abdominal cavity cut open to disembowel (or "gut") the carcass. E. Coli does not infect if it is on a steak or other solid meat as cooking temperatures neutralize the bacteria and it produces no toxin that remains stable when exposed to heat.

Salmonella is normal flora in the intestinal tract of poultry. Salmonella contamination occurs with raw chicken for the same reasons as E. Coli in beef. Contamination commonly occurs via the shells of eggs, deposited there as it passes the chickens azz (and says "Hello" to the Deputy) as it is laid. That is why it is not advisable to crack egg shells unless they have been washed and decontaminated. Recently it was discovered that salmonella also occurs within the egg which makes it wise to not consume raw eggs.

Illegals did not bring it. However unsanitary conditions in field work (ie no toilet) can allow human waste deposited there to spread E. Coli as it is contained in all human intestinal tracts as normal. In those cases it can be spread by anybody crapping in the field and by their not washing their hands after wiping their behinds. Or using their hands to wipe their behinds like other cultures do - without toilet paper.
Old Gringo

Englewood, CO

#14 Apr 17, 2010
E. Coli is nearly always ingested via ground beef if the empty abdominal cavity is not rinsed of bowel content (if the bowel is ruptured in the gutting process). That is why all ground beef should be well done.
William L

Alamogordo, NM

#15 Apr 17, 2010
I would love to see people who wish to come to the United States apply to come here, As far as I' am concerned, They need to give The Illegal Aliens 30 days to get out, Cut off any services,NO employment, No food stamps, No Drivers License, No Car Insurance, Not allowed to "title" a car in the US,Must not allow the "Anchor baby's to get free care, NO SSN Payments to the Illegals, Just get them out, If they apply and are approved, great, If not and they are found to be in the US Illegally, They get A bullet in the head, Mexico Illegal Aliens are the ones that will ruin it for all of US, They don't want to pay taxes ( who in Sam hell does) They don't want to learn english, they want to do it "Mexican Style" and that S**T don't work here, They need to do it legal and they need to learn ENGLISH before ever thinking about coming here, If I moved to Mexico, I have to learn Spanish because if I don't, they will treat me like S**T and Refuse to help me, Why should I "help them" ?

Some A S S H O L E will make a comment about my post and say "Go back to Europe" and I' am going to Burst their Bubble right now, I' am Indian, Native to the US, I' am also Part Black Irish and Ireland and the US ARE NOT PART OF EUROPE, So that argument will not fly, Find another.
how

Albuquerque, NM

#16 Apr 17, 2010
William L wrote:
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about you just go back to your hole in the ground. You seem like your are not even human with your threats of violence and your hatred.
William L

Alamogordo, NM

#17 Apr 18, 2010
how wrote:
<quoted text>
about you just go back to your hole in the ground. You seem like your are not even human with your threats of violence and your hatred.
I told you so, I knew it, It never fails,LOL
William L

Alamogordo, NM

#18 Apr 18, 2010
how wrote:
<quoted text>
about you just go back to your hole in the ground. You seem like your are not even human with your threats of violence and your hatred.
No, I will not, But I'll bet you do get back to your former hole, LMAO
peter

Lady Lake, FL

#19 Apr 18, 2010
William william william,
I will have to say I agree with 99% of your opinion. Illegal immigration is greatly "contributing" to bringing our economy down along with many other unrelated reasons that we won't get into. The mention of a bullit to the head just for being here illegally,You've got to be a racist with a comment like that!
Tony M

Albuquerque, NM

#20 Apr 18, 2010
Yes, William you racist pig lol. You should know better than to say anything derogatory about poor illegals. The fact that the Mexican gov't actually shoots illegals from the south isn't racists. Anytime an American says anything mean spirited they are either a racists or a psychopath. That is how gutless we have become as a nation. That is why other countries do not fear or respect us. Mexico and it's people understand this and are literally taking over America. While we sit by and call each other names.
We are

Albuquerque, NM

#21 Apr 18, 2010
Tony M wrote:
Yes, William you racist pig lol. You should know better than to say anything derogatory about poor illegals. The fact that the Mexican gov't actually shoots illegals from the south isn't racists. Anytime an American says anything mean spirited they are either a racists or a psychopath. That is how gutless we have become as a nation. That is why other countries do not fear or respect us. Mexico and it's people understand this and are literally taking over America. While we sit by and call each other names.
americans - we have higher standards. There is no excuse for psycho threats and the old racist BS.
Talking

Albuquerque, NM

#22 Apr 18, 2010
William L wrote:
<quoted text>I told you so, I knew it, It never fails,LOL
about shooting people is crazy. It doesn't get a pass from me, nor should it from any other decent person.

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