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Since: Jun 08

Farmington NM

#21 Oct 31, 2011
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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As for wicca, no need to sit through their ceremony, as this is not traditionally a wiccan nation. Same with atheism. Same with Islam.
Exactly, there is no need to sit through your ceremonies.

Since: May 10

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#22 Oct 31, 2011
ephotonic wrote:
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Exactly, there is no need to sit through your ceremonies.
Feel free to get up and leave. Or simply arrive late.

No harm, no foul.

The United States is traditionally a Christian nation.

“Freedom is never free”

Since: Jan 09

El Paso, Texas

#23 Oct 31, 2011
Cary L Nickel wrote:
"An Alabama school district has been accused of allowing prayers that invoke the name of Jesus during high school football games, according to a complaint filed by a national atheist organization.
The Freedom From Religion Foundation said the Lauderdale County school district has violated the First Amendment by allowing the prayers at Brooks High School"
A single person who chooses to be non-religious can push his or her agenda upon the rest of society with one single complaint, while organization after organization simply roll over and allow this nonsense.
Take a stand, people. Our nation was not meant to governed this way. The rest of us must stand up and fight for OUR rights as well.
The courts are being used as a bullying tactic by anti-American and anti-freedom organizations, contrary to their intended purpose. Defeat judges who allow their courts to be used as a law-making body. Defeat judges who fail to support traditional American values. Defeat judges who rule against common sense and common decency.
Tell individuals who wish to force their agenda upon the rest of us by misusing the courts that we will not stand for it.
http://aclj.org/...
Speaking of judges did you see this article?

http://news.yahoo.com/judges-sale-special-int...

So if judges are for sale (the real frontline in the protection of our rights) then our rights are quickly going down the toilet.

I see you started this thread so as long as you don't bring it or her up I won't either. By the way I'm not an atheist, but at the same time it's the law of this nation that the government cannot sponsor religion which is why what you are addressing is wrong.

They could probably say God watch over us, keep us safe and free from harm, but they cannot use "in the name of Jesus." God is like a generic term and almost acceptable to a certain degree, but soon as you say "Jesus" to some that's crossing the line.

By the way are you a freemason? See our government accepts "god," but the god our system of government "trusts" isn't God of the Hebrew Bible, but the "god" of freemasonry.

You might want to take a good look at a satellite image of washington d.c.

Since: May 10

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#24 Nov 1, 2011
justice is just a choice wrote:
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Speaking of judges did you see this article?
http://news.yahoo.com/judges-sale-special-int...
So if judges are for sale (the real frontline in the protection of our rights) then our rights are quickly going down the toilet.
I see you started this thread so as long as you don't bring it or her up I won't either. By the way I'm not an atheist, but at the same time it's the law of this nation that the government cannot sponsor religion which is why what you are addressing is wrong.
They could probably say God watch over us, keep us safe and free from harm, but they cannot use "in the name of Jesus." God is like a generic term and almost acceptable to a certain degree, but soon as you say "Jesus" to some that's crossing the line.
By the way are you a freemason? See our government accepts "god," but the god our system of government "trusts" isn't God of the Hebrew Bible, but the "god" of freemasonry.
You might want to take a good look at a satellite image of washington d.c.
A prayer before a sports event is NOT "sponsoring religion". It is merely a prayer. The First Amendment guarantees free speech.

The MEANING of the speech is in the mind of the listener. Someone who is thinking correctly, and isn't obsessing over minutia, will merely ignore the words, eat his or her hotdog, drink some soda, and respect the right of the person giving the prayer to utilize his or her First Amendment right, along with respecting the right of the vast majority of listeners, who ARE Christian of some sort, to listen to the prayer if they choose. It's called "being polite".

Regardless of attempts by the modern left to re-write history, the United States IS traditionally a Christian nation. That tradition has been created by the PEOPLE of the United States, not by the government.

The nation is made up of the people, not the government.

The modern left is so government-centric they expect some authority to rule over every aspect of everyone's lives. They support the Constitution only when it can be used to beat down those they don't agree with. Freedom of religion was not meant to be bastardized into the freedom FROM religion which the modern left appears so intent upon propagating upon the majority.

Are atheists so self-centered and self-righteous that they cannot be respectful of the rights and traditions of others? Yes, I would say that some indeed are.

“Freedom is never free”

Since: Jan 09

El Paso, Texas

#25 Nov 1, 2011
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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A prayer before a sports event is NOT "sponsoring religion". It is merely a prayer. The First Amendment guarantees free speech.
The MEANING of the speech is in the mind of the listener. Someone who is thinking correctly, and isn't obsessing over minutia, will merely ignore the words, eat his or her hotdog, drink some soda, and respect the right of the person giving the prayer to utilize his or her First Amendment right, along with respecting the right of the vast majority of listeners, who ARE Christian of some sort, to listen to the prayer if they choose. It's called "being polite".
Regardless of attempts by the modern left to re-write history, the United States IS traditionally a Christian nation. That tradition has been created by the PEOPLE of the United States, not by the government.
The nation is made up of the people, not the government.
The modern left is so government-centric they expect some authority to rule over every aspect of everyone's lives. They support the Constitution only when it can be used to beat down those they don't agree with. Freedom of religion was not meant to be bastardized into the freedom FROM religion which the modern left appears so intent upon propagating upon the majority.
Are atheists so self-centered and self-righteous that they cannot be respectful of the rights and traditions of others? Yes, I would say that some indeed are.
Cary I hope you realize exactly what you have just written. The very things you state are the exact cause and result and have already been decided by the United States Supreme Court.

If the coach leads the prayer or it's done over the public address system then that's a violation because it then becomes State sponsored religion. Remember Madelyn Murray O'Hair or is that before your time? After the Abington v. Schempp, which was consolidated with Murray v. Curtlett, school sponsored prayer has not been allowed across the nation.

Now of course students on their own can pray all they want to the "See you at the pole" is a national day of prayer that students across the nation take part in.

As for religion, "The government is neutral, and, while protecting all, it prefers none, and it disparages none."
"(n)either a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another.'"
"Thus the Amendment embraces two concepts,—freedom to believe and freedom to act. The first is absolute but, in the nature of things, the second cannot be."
"State power is no more to be used so as to handicap religions, than it is to favor them."
"it is no part of the business of government to compose official prayers for any group of the American people to recite as a part of a religious program carried on by government."

So while you believe that the United States is a "Christian" nation that's not necessarily true. The founders of this nation fled Engalnd to escape the "one world religion" of their day among other reasons. They believed in a person's freedom to worship as the individual saw fit and not be subject to the demands of one church or one ideology. In England they still have the jail cell of one of our founders who escaped prison and helped coordinate the Mayflower expedition. He was in jail because of his religious beliefs.

These people sought freedom..kinda ironic they would keep slaves, but they wanted freedom. No monarchy, no forced religion. They wanted the freedom to choose.

Understand Cary I concur in part only to the aspect that if it's the students themselves praying of their own volition then no person can demand they cease, but if it's being led by a state employee or any other state sponsored entity then under the our constitution it is wrong.

In that sense I dissent.:-)

Since: Jun 08

Farmington NM

#26 Nov 1, 2011
justice is just a choice wrote:
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Cary I hope you realize exactly what you have just written. The very things you state are the exact cause and result and have already been decided by the United States Supreme Court.
If the coach leads the prayer or it's done over the public address system then that's a violation because it then becomes State sponsored religion. Remember Madelyn Murray O'Hair or is that before your time? After the Abington v. Schempp, which was consolidated with Murray v. Curtlett, school sponsored prayer has not been allowed across the nation.
Now of course students on their own can pray all they want to the "See you at the pole" is a national day of prayer that students across the nation take part in.
As for religion, "The government is neutral, and, while protecting all, it prefers none, and it disparages none."
"(n)either a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another.'"
"Thus the Amendment embraces two concepts,—freedom to believe and freedom to act. The first is absolute but, in the nature of things, the second cannot be."
"State power is no more to be used so as to handicap religions, than it is to favor them."
"it is no part of the business of government to compose official prayers for any group of the American people to recite as a part of a religious program carried on by government."
So while you believe that the United States is a "Christian" nation that's not necessarily true. The founders of this nation fled Engalnd to escape the "one world religion" of their day among other reasons. They believed in a person's freedom to worship as the individual saw fit and not be subject to the demands of one church or one ideology. In England they still have the jail cell of one of our founders who escaped prison and helped coordinate the Mayflower expedition. He was in jail because of his religious beliefs.
These people sought freedom..kinda ironic they would keep slaves, but they wanted freedom. No monarchy, no forced religion. They wanted the freedom to choose.
Understand Cary I concur in part only to the aspect that if it's the students themselves praying of their own volition then no person can demand they cease, but if it's being led by a state employee or any other state sponsored entity then under the our constitution it is wrong.
In that sense I dissent.:-)
Well written.
The Man

Artesia, NM

#27 Nov 1, 2011
Noah drove his earth ship around the world as it was flooded with two of every animal, insect, fly, rodent, bacteria, and virus. This is the best bible fairy tale. Did you know Jesus made his own wine and was a drunk?

“come to Richie,, ”

Since: Nov 10

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#28 Nov 1, 2011
The Man wrote:
Noah drove his earth ship around the world as it was flooded with two of every animal, insect, fly, rodent, bacteria, and virus. This is the best bible fairy tale. Did you know Jesus made his own wine and was a drunk?
thats all The Man has? hahahaha, its ok, we all choose this day!

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