#65 Dec 16, 2010
Lady I spent 24 days at the freak show called Three-Strikes. Epona did call and she did volunteer to take horses. I answered over 200 calls from the fairgrounds and Lin did call me.
I am defending Epona because the local law enforcement there went out on my request.
We could have handled the 3-Strikes mess differently.
It should have been handled in my opinion at the local level. A lot of the rescues took horses from this mess and used them for personal gain by later selling the horses.
You think I don't have my facts straight? I have a list of people who did not get receipts for adopting or claiming horses at the fairgrounds.
I am sick of HSUS, and people donating money to save horses that would for all intent be better of destroyed. I would put a younger, trainable horse above any 30 year old bag of bones. I have all the respect for horses a person can have. I've fed bad ones, broke good ones and destroyed horses that had lived far too long in agony.
The volunteers that arrived to help out at three strikes were really great, the only horses we lost at the fairgrounds were a couple of colts that died as a result of the stress we put them through.
They were stressed because the owner of three strikes got way too many horses on too little ground without enough feed. He got way in over his head and knowledge.
That can be said about a lot of rescues.
My point is this. IF YOU send a horse to a rescue, send money and feed for that horse. AND Most importantly, get Updates on the animal's condition and visit your horse to make sure it is getting the care required. IF YOU CAN"T DO THAT, YOU DON"T DESERVE TO SAVE A HORSE.
#66 Dec 16, 2010
I'll also state for the record, one more time. Call me if you know of a situation where horses or any livestock for that matter is dying from lack of water or feed.
DON'T be so quick to condemn a rescue facility too fast because of the conditions of newly arrived horses.
Most horses going to rescues are in not the best condition. It takes weeks, months and a lot of feed to save a stressed, neglected animal. Some of them never return to the best condition and at times those animals should be put down so another horse can make it.
I've seen all the neglected, starved animals I want to. The best of intents by people who think they know what they are doing is the culprit in animal neglect cases ninety percent of the time.
I for one, think we acted to harshly in the matter of the 3-Strikes mess. We should have made the county take care of those horses till the trial was over, in that way we could have put teeth into the prosecution at the local level. That ranch would have had to been sold to defray the costs involved. The way it went was a disgrace to the judicial system....almost 100 horses perished for the imposed fine of $2500 and a short duration of imprisonment was fettered out.
There is also the stipulation of ownership and the person found guilty of not residing with any animal for a period of time.
All he has to due when his mandatory time is spent is move out of state and start over...law enforcement has made it clear they can't stop or regulate that matter.
Did we do the horses justice?
I was there, i saw the bone piles, I saw the dead and neglected, it has bothered me for over a year.
You don't think I care?
You need the guilt of what I witnessed.
#67 Dec 16, 2010
In a way I have become a sort of "expert" on animal welfare. It is not a bed of roses.
Now, today I pray for forgiveness from my God for what I was a part of. I also pray for the guy we put away and I hope he can somehow become a better person for what he has had to go through.
I feel somewhat familiar with his lot in prison, because I have witnessed the travesty that is hidden at times with the bleeding hearts out there who think they know what is best.
Jason Meduna didn't intentionally set out to kill horses, he got way in over his head, the system that exists allowed that. The people who donated money should have checked things out, people who sent horses out there basically in my opinion did not follow through on their responsibilty to the horses they "supposedly" saved.
I Forgive Jason Meduna even though I have no importance in the issues.
I forgive him because "WE" as a whole contributed to his ability to commit the crimes.
I am a part of that society.
I have paid for my guilt by not forgetting what I witnessed, the good and the bad.
I will never donate money to any rescue, but, I will see to it that feed and water is available when the need arises again.
I'll travel as far as I have to with my equipment to make sure those animals are fed.
I'll do it in heartbeat.
I do not like how I have felt since I witnessed the travesty of 3- Strikes. Jason did not act alone, but, he is having to pay for his part in the scheme of things.
Even when we were saving horses there, people didn't come forward to claim their horses. It was easier to abandon them, acquire new horses, pass the burden on to the volunteers and forget it happened. As of this date no case is pending by anyone who sent money to 3-Strkes for fraud, so you tell me if the bleeding hearts out there who think saving horses is just about passing the burden on is the right thing to do?
It's far easier to forgive one man for his crimes than it is the whole group of people who allowed it to happen in the first place.
I think I've paid my dues in this fiasco and that is why I ask my God and Jason for some form of forgiveness.
I also get to witness the good that came out of this rescue every day. I only have the mare I took and the colt she had after the rescue. The other horses I adopted out, only after I put them in good condition. They went to good homes and I check up on their progress frequently.
This has not been easy to accept, the guilt I carry is because we didn't do right to all the horses. This wreck happened and it's duration of time from the time 100 horses died and 214 were saved was too long.
The stench ain't left my nostrils, the dead and almost dying are reocurring nightmares.
I've earned the right to have an opinion about what is truly right about so called animal welfare, and I've learned all isn't legitemate about HSUS and other entities.
I've learned that rescues in Texas, Colorado and other places ain't all what they are cracked up to be.
I think EPONA lives up to the standard of caring.
I also think there are good people out there and that some just think they are!
I'm never staying for 24 days again at any rescue because I have seen the Good, the Bad and the Ugly that can come out of such an experience. I paid my dues, and life is just to short to work that hard again to save horses for people who don't have a clue.
#68 Dec 26, 2010
First off I would like to meet Mr. Weber. And Thankyou for your trust in epona.
Your darn right the sheriff gave a good report on epona, because there's nothing to make them beleive other wise.
I have been on vet calls to epona. I have made announced and unannounced visits. I have adopted horses from epona. I have used the facilities at epona to work with and train horses for adoption.
I have known Lin for 6 years about now. I know that she is honest and truthful. I know how passionate she is and how strong her dedication is to any equine that steps foot onto her property.
Epona horse rescue is well kept and humanly managed.
Upon all of my visits I see clean pens. Big roomy stalls. safe fencing. Shelters. Room to run. Fresh water. And to much hay in the pens for horses to eat!
All equines are healthy, or wellon their way to healthy. All equines that need seperate accomidations are sufficiently placed. These horses are grouped in groups that they are not bullied on by others.
There are no stud horses at epona,to cause any threats.
I would invite any one who has not seen it for your selves to contact epona for a visit. Whenever I leave I feel happy to see such success with these animals. It is truely heart warming.
I would advise anyone wanting a horse of any size color or age to check out a rescue horse. There are a ton of horses in need of homes, rescue horses are not junk, they are just like any other good horse out there that need an education!
I commend epona for their efforts in making a difference in a perfect world you could save them all. In a most perfect world there would be no cause to have to save any equine.
But there is unfortunately. And I thank God for good horse owners and rescues.
No one at epona claims to be anything they are not, like horse whisperers. No one at epona professes to know more than they really do about training, and riding. No one at epona will publish gut renching stories about torture,pain,and misery of horses. No one has ever turned they're back to me and walked of in a conversation because they thought epona was a complete joke run by foolish dishonest staff.
No one involved with epona has ever been rude snide
#69 Dec 26, 2010
Continued: no one ever has been rude, snide, or has ever talked such slanders about another.
Epona has 1 goal. Return any sick,skinny, neglected equines to the way it should be and lastly, find that equines a home that will keep it that way.
For whoever is on this discussion wall that continues to bad mouth epona with slander and nasty rumors, shame on you. You people sound Like a bunch of whiney,jealous,close minded,angry,UNPROFESSIONAL, immature horse people.
How great would it be for rescues to unite and work together for the same out come?
I personally, plan on winning the lottery and building epona a new barn and arena and anything else I see fit for them! Hey, its ok to dream!
Way to go epona! Keep up the good work! It's a great big mean nasty world out there for unwanted horses, and every little bit helps! You can't save them all, but you can make a difference to those around you. And they all appreciate every flake of hay,scoop of grain,and horse scratch you give them! Keep on epona, keep on! The horses and people need you!
#70 Dec 26, 2010
Hey Epona Fan perhaps you should remove your rose-colored glasses because they have completely blinded you!!! Not snide or rude or.....lol your so funny. Apparently you have not been on Lin's bad side or perhaps you are Lin, who knows or really cares and you just bashed another rescue because anyone who knows about Nebraska Rescues can tell you exactly who you were referring to and YES Lin does resort to boo hoo stories to obtain money and do not think for a minute that she must have a stud on the place to reproduce on her place for a little bit of extra donation money on another "rescue" Why don't you ask her about a paint filly she specifically produced for her own "personal use" and later adopted out as a "rescue" Epona is NOT pure of heart and most certainly does not have the horses best interest at heart. If the animal doesnt bring her money she gets rid of it and THAT is a fact. And as far as Lin goes on a personal level NO ONE who truly knows her would ever turn their back on her because you just don't want to have to take the time to pull the knives out of your back or try to wipe off the filth from the lies that she spews!!!!!!
#71 Dec 26, 2010
I am not asking about anything of the sort. My relationship with epona is based on my time I have spent there, helping, visiting,working,transporting for them.
I have heard bad things about all central Nebraskas horse rescues. Which is sad, I wish no one had any thing to say but good things about them all. I sincerely believe though, that 95% of bad things I hear about epina, are said by other insufficient rescues that are pissed because epona is respectable and successful.
Epona DOES NOT house any studs. If a stud comes in, he soon after loses his man hood! I have seen another rescues website, that does keep studs. Now what would happen if they did get to a mare in heat? More unwanted foals? Even if they are to be cut before adoption, why keep them as a stud meanwhile? Not responsible in my opinion. I mean really?
Whatever dirt is between people on this message board is sad. And I suppose I should not have said anything at all, but I want to let people who are not familiar with epona to know... don't listen to all this bs people say about them. It's all just bs.
Hmmm I think I will stop by and get a few bags of feed and head north to visit my epona friends this week for a plethora of fuzzy horse hugs. And ill wear my 'rose colored glasses' on the way out!
#72 Dec 26, 2010
Any one that knows Nebraska rescues? Not an epona fan... would know what rescue I am referring to? How would that be?
And what animal rescue does not tell boo hoo stories of the ones they take in? Ever seen an aspca commercial? That's how they get donations!
#73 Dec 26, 2010
Hey Admirer of a thankless Jo. You have hit the button with these comments! Eponas damned if they do and damned if they dont!
#74 Dec 27, 2010
Jim and Epona Fan- You seem to have a good relationship with Lin. Could you find out the status of the 5 horses slated to be euthanised before Winter? Do you know whether or not Lin was able to get the grain and hay in she needed to get through Winter? Do you know if there are any other mares bred and ready to foal? Does Lin still have any horses up for adoption to get her numbers down? Is she currently taking horses in? Is she allowing visitors to her place now, or is there still a need for an advance appointment? If Lin has nothing to hide, why won't she answer questions most rescues think nothing of answering? When Sadie arrived at Epona, a gelding named Blue also arrived with her. Aside from a few very general updates in the beginning, no one has ever heard of any update, and when Lin put up an adoption list a few months ago, Blue was not on it. When asked about Blue, Lin never replied. No updated photos of Blue showing his progress were ever posted. Can you find out how he is doing? Will Lin ever update her Web page? Thank you.
#75 Dec 28, 2010
Of some interest to you people who keep bashing Lin, let me say this so you can understand something in plain English.
I have never met Lin or her husband in the flesh.
I came into this scenario for one reason and that was to find out if there were any horses being neglected in this facility. I offered to get law enforcement involved and get hay on site if the need was there.
I asked the sheriff's office to go out and look around and see if there was indeed a problem out there. They were in contact with me as they were on sight. They found no starving neglected horses, they found all kinds of hay on hand and never saw any dead or dying horses.
What the hell more do you ignorant, bunny huggers want?
I'm about 4 hrs. away, minding my own business, offering to help out if the need is there. a bunch of you are closer and could have done the same thing.
I am sick and tired of people making complaints about abused horses, who have no damned clue what end of a horse craps.
Why do you people have more to say about animal welfare than the person who spends their life raising and taking care of animals?
You mean nothing to me.
I have on hand a very good mustang colt. I need to get rid of him, I don't have any need of him, he is for sale. If I don't get him sold privately, I'll have to take him to the local auction barn, chances are he'll go to slaughter.
How about someone stepping forward and saving this horse?
I have put all the money and care into him I can afford. He is in perfect health.
This horse is in perfect health, he is not broke, but he has a terrific attitude and will make a great horse for the right person.
He has been raised around cattle and his mother is a good ranch horse.
It'd be a shame to see him go killer.
You Bunny Huggers ruined the horse market, and now it seems to be the only place to go with him.
You want to save a horse?...buy this one.
#76 Dec 28, 2010
Jim, since you are four hours away, and feel Epona is a good place, why not contact Lin and take your colt there? For the record, I'm not a "bunny hugger" just someone who can spot a scammer a mile away. You say you've never met Lin, yet you defend her as if you have been to her place. Lin's own words, videos, and actions speak volumes. If you are a member of ABR you can learn all about Lin's pattern of behavior. While you're reading about her, Search Phoenix Rising-she had a part in that. They still don't know what happened to all of those horses. We need rescues that can care for the horses they take in, answer the questions asked of them, and provide the horses in their care with the training and care necessary to allow them to move on into new homes. Epona does none of this. 3 strikes seems to have really done a number on you. I don't know that you can see that Epona is another catastrophe in the making. You had nothing to do with what happened at 3 strikes. By defending what Lin does,you share the blame for what the horses there are going through. If you are relying on what the sheriff has told you, you really do need an education in small town politics, especially where Epona is concerned.
#77 Dec 28, 2010
Jim- I agree with you 100%. All the trash talking makes me sick. These people that wanted to end horse slaughter, I agree it is terribly disturbing. And horses should not have to endure such hell. I think that they need someone to monater transports and conditions.... something I don't know. The truth is no body wants to see a horse in America go out to slaughter,since they helped build America. The truth is..... since the change there are more starving horses turned loose, neglected and abanded since the change. And the truth is people like you with a nice colt like you have, have no buyers because the market was flushed. And its sad to know. Now there are full rescues good ones bad ones and backyard ones. I don't know what to think. All I can say is I'm sick and tired of the bashing and tab keeping on this rescue to that. It just Pisses me off.
#78 Dec 28, 2010
Epona fan-what does your comments have to do with Lin's behavior? How do you know how people feel about slaughter? Would you rather the horses starve to death at the hands of a rescue? Ask Lin about Phoenix Rising. Ask her about the horses she left there even when she knew horses were starving and dying. Ask her why, when she left those horses there, saying she was full, she tried to take other horses in. Ask her why she said she'd take her horses back only if someone paid her to. Yes, she's really something. People are worried about the horses she has on her property, period. I ask again-do you know the status of the 5 horses she had slated to be euthanised before Winter?(She never really gave any particular reason for them to be euthanised) If this rescue did not give so many cause for concern, they would not be keeping tabs on it. Do you know if Lin will ever update her web page to show which horses have been adopted, which are still there, and how many she is taking in? Does Lin still work with the Sheriff's department taking in seizures?
#79 Dec 28, 2010
My comments have nothing to do with any happenings at epona or any other rescue.I know how people feel about the whole horse slaughter discussion because I speak with a lot of horseman and people who work with equines. And more than not, they mainly would agree, that the result of no slaughter caused the market to dwindle, and more old horses to stand around starving. The last time I was at Halsey with my horses,there were 12 head up there people hauled in and released.probebly because at the sale barn they wouldn't of got more than 200 bucks for them. Horses arnt worth what they used to be.and NO I wouldn't rather any horse go to a rescue to starve. I had not heard of any horses being put down before winter.1su . oute n
#80 Dec 28, 2010
Terry- my phone malfunctioned! I'm using it for the internet. I don't know of the 5 horses you are making reference to. To my knowledge yes she is adopting horses out. No epona HAS NOT bred any horses there. There is no stud, and that would be crazy anyway.
I have no knowledge of any pheonix rising.... I don't know..
All I know is that as of now there are not starving horses there.
I don't know when the web site will be updated, for recent adoptions. I can't say.... it is in need I know.
And I don't know any legalities about speaking of relationships with epona and authorities. I know that the bcsd has been there and were satisfied with what they found..... if Jim webers statements are true. Which I have no doubt in this man's word. He sounds very educated in his opinions to me. And I agree with him on a number of things.
The last I knew the numbers at epona were down and very manageable it sounded like.
I do agree with what Mr weber said about having rescues run through a main outfit so had guidelines and compliances to follow, and only had to answer to them. I feel bad for them being under constant scrutiny.
I don't know what happened in the past. Frankly it doesn't concern me. All I know is what I have seen, and u have seen equines check in and make a 360 for the best.
I don't know what else to tell you.
#81 Dec 29, 2010
So, Epona Fan- you have never been to Epona? If you had, then you would have seen the 5 horses that are to be euthanised, or you would know they are no longer there. I know for a fact from someone who WAS there recently that things are not as they are reported. And that the 5 were still there, and were to be euthanised. Starving horses are not the only sign of a Rescue in trouble. Many of us are hoping to stop this before the horses get there. There are many questions that Lin will not answer. That causes concern. There are thin horses there that could easily become starving horses if not managed properly. Lin does not seem to have the funding to manage her rescue properly. She is continually asking for help. Yes, I know, there was a fire recently. But her count on the hay destroyed, and the fire marshall's differs. Who do you think is telling the truth on the amount of hay lost? I'll believe the fire marshall.
You're an Epona Fan, and you don't know about Phoenix Rising? That happened a year ago in November-you must be a new fan.
Jim Weber seems to be a very nice man who was devastated by the events at 3 Strikes. He has never met Lin, nor has he been to Epona. He took a phone call from her. And of course she'd want a 3 Strikes horse-it fits in with her pattern. Jim feels he is an expert now on rescues, and has judged Epona to be a good one. I wonder how low his criteria is. Jim states he made the call to the sheriff. I wonder if Jim knows how many people have called, and how long they have been calling. Jim does not seem to understand how these things work. If there is hay and water, and the horses are not in dying condition (and sometimes even if they are) they will be left, because the authorities have nowhere to put them. There were quite a few pictures taken the day the sheriff went to Epona. That in itself is a sign that there were concerns. If what happened in the past doesn't concern you, you also will be partly to blame for what is surely to come. Lin repeats a pattern of taking in too many horses, begging for funds to care for them, and suddenly "reducing her numbers" when the heat is on. Then, the cycle starts again. She has no Equine knowledge, she has pastured small babies out with large horses, and let them send for themselves. Her horses have overgrown feet, no training, the very base medical care, I could go on. Thank God for pasture is all I can say.
Here's what I will tell you-Lin should not be in Horse rescue. She does have a way with words, and can convince people of a lot of things. She has been given a great opportunity. The land, truck and trailer she has was donated. Yet she still cannot come up with a way to run her place without begging for everything. She has a constant need to get more horses, but soon loses interest, and is looking for new ones. She never tells the whole truth, and when caught in a lie, will invent some drama to try to take the heat off of her.
I really wouldn't care about any of this if she was selling used cars-but she is dealing with living breathing animals that count on her.
Why not go a little more into the present? You have to have known about Sadie, being an Epona fan? How is it that under Lin's care she barely made any improvement, but under Jayne's the improvement was not only quick, but nothing short of amazing?
To anyone reading who may know-what is the status of the 5 horses at Epona slated to be euthanised before Winter? Jim, would you know, or did you just take that one phone call form Lin?
#82 Dec 29, 2010
Got to visit epona today! Was so sad to see the aftermath of the fire what a shame. Poor Larry is atleast walking again after the burns to his feet getting everyone out in time.
Thanks to supporters of epona replacements of halters blankets and hay they will make it through. All the small squares in there lost is too bad, but the beautiful old barn can never be replaced.
The stalls in that barn were very important and without them, some older horses were humanly euthinized as the winter would have been way to hard on them. A wise and sad decision to have to make, but in the long run, the right decision.
It was nice to see the main pens horses running from bale to bale bucking around! I met a big old mule, a cute little Arab cross named blue and I can't remember the others names!
Lucky is one of my favorites, Soooo sweet.
I helped blanket the babies and unload hay grain new bedding and a salt block we brought out for them.
Everyone is doing great out there, the 2 doggies even had a recliner chair in the kennel for them to sleep on!
Plenty of hay,shelters and WELL FLESHED happy horses!
We had to cut our visit short, due to a semi load of more hay coming in.
Thanks for inviting us epona, see you soon! Keep up the good work!
#83 Dec 29, 2010
Seen it- I too have 2 fillies and 1 on the way from epona. Was just there is afternoon, and all is well the horses all look great! The barn fire is so sad though. I can't wait till spring for more visits! Glad you got some nice horses from there aswell!
#84 Dec 30, 2010
Just an interesting tid bit. I never took any phone calls from Lin in relation to what was being said about her rescue efforts at Epona. I did get a warm thank you call from her husband.
You idiots who condemn the Sheriffs office haven't a clue!
You act like we here in Nebraska live in the dark ages and only choose sheriffs on their political side.
Let me make something clear...I spoke to the Sheriff and I spoke to the Humane Society, like the Humane Society I took the Sheriffs word as to what conditions are like at Epona.
There were absolutely no problems with how the horses were being taken care of...PERIOD!
There was hay on hand, there was grain on hand and a vet is at Lin's beck and call anytime she needs help.
I won't take this colt to any rescue facility, he is too good of a horse! He needs a working home and not just a pastoral setting...there are too many horses out on grass that are taking up room that good horses could use.
I don't think every horse needs saved! I think the sick, lame and aged need put down if they can't live without all the intervention from "Bleeding Heart types who think their goal in life is to save every horse.
Horses need saved by the individual with the means, money and feed to do the job right.
rescues go down hill fast when funding falls apart, that's the nature of the beast.
The horse has been abused since the dawn of man, you would think with technology and education that the masses would do something meaningful for the horse...that hasn't happened, what has happened is the horse still suffers, we can't manage them on the public domain, because a lot of that domain is not condusive to horses...
I watched the "Cloud Drama" on Etv the other night, what a stupid joke!
That lady does nothing but play on sympathy, she hasn't a clue either what is best for the wild horses....save em all is crap...get them to manageable levels...get them to private ownership... the lady made a statement that 1 out of 3 colts is killed by Mountain Lions...You people who are saving the horse are the same goofs saving wolves and mountain lions and blaming your woes on the rancher and landowner...I'm sick of it all!
IF ANYONE KNOWS OF A GROUP OF LIVESTOCK STARVING< GIVE ME A CALL I CAN GET FREE HAY OUT TO THEM..that's all the rescue I can do...I've worked on far too many instances where people with good intentions had bad management when it came to livestock...it isn't the livestock producer ruining the horses, it's you Busy Bodies who think they know...to those types I suggest you raise earthworms and leave the raising of livestock,(horses included) to people whose livlihood that entails.
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