Bill would undo planned smoking ban in bars

Legislators next year may face more contentious debates over an explosive issue they thought they had resolved in 2005 - banning smoking in bars and casinos.

[u cannot own me]

Kick the anti smoking groups to the curb

Bill would undo planned smoking ban in bars

By CHARLES S. JOHNSON
Gazette State Bureau
HELENA - Legislators next year may face more contentious debates over an explosive issue they thought they had resolved in 2005 - banning smoking in bars and casinos.

Sen. Jerry Black, R-Shelby, is having a bill drafted to permanently exempt some 1,400 bars and casinos from a statewide smoking ban set to apply to these establishments Oct. 1, 2009.

His proposal would apply to only those bars and casinos that sought an exemption by June 30 from the Montana Clean Indoor Air Act.

More time for bars, casinos
The law banned smoking in all other Montana public buildings and indoor workplaces as of October 2005. It gave bars and casinos four more years.
Several businesspersons, including one tavern owner, asked Black to submit the bill draft. Black said he isn't sure yet if he will actually introduce the bill, and he conceded it probably has "mixed to nil" chances of passing.

"We just feel the Indoor Clean Air Act is working the way it should," Black said. "This still gives people a choice."

Montanans could choose to go to bars that already have gone smokeless or, if the bill passes, they could opt for bars and casinos where people could continue to smoke.

Darrell Keck, a Shelby tavern owner, said he asked Black to introduce the bill on behalf of a "little grass-roots movement" with 100 members that lack out-of-state foundation money of health advocacy groups. The Montana Tavern Association is not involved with the group.

"I think I have to do this," Keck said. "I don't really believe this is a smoking issue. It's a property rights issue."

Dramatic effects
Keck, who owns a steakhouse, lounge and casino, said he spent $18,000 putting up a wall to separate his dining room, when smoking wasn't allowed there, from the bar, where it is. Keck said he lost 60 percent of his dining business, while his bar business went up 300 percent.

Unless the law is changed, Keck predicted it will dramatically affect life in small towns, eliminate some bar and casino jobs, cut state tax revenues and deprive smokers of their rights.

"People don't go into a bar for their health," Keck said. "If that were the case, I guess they'd be serving booze at the health clubs."

[PicassoIII]

Interesting,
A ban not even in place is seeing organized resistance. Think about what it took to put this in place in the 1st place. The faulty, miracle in Montana 'Helena Study'.
Bloomington Study was in IN, that still has no state ban whatsoever.
People are realizing, maybe we're over reacting.

[just candid]

Most drunks degenerates and scumbag riffraff type people are cigarette smokers, they seem willing to say or do anything to keep on smoking.

[PicassoIII]

So Candid, are you willing to say that smoking bans do not cost jobs and livelyhoods AND that the smoking ban/heart attack studies are technically sound?
That would make you a liar.

As you know most hard core ban activists lie.
I live in a no exemption ban state and am still smoking, guess you haven't stopped me.
I have yet to state a lie anywhere.
Is twisting the truth working for you yet.

[Anonymous]

Aw, this bill is DOA.
The guy said he might not even introduce it and admits it probably has "nil" chance of passing. Even the Montana bar and tavern industry is opposed to it!
Governor Schweitzer won't sign it, and he was just re-elected to a four-year term. Democrats control the Montana State House. It won't pass there.

[cherry]

confederate1978 wrote:

Youre fixing to see states do away with smoking bans as the economy worsens and they look to increase revenues and return freedom to the people.As we type bootleggers are making a killing taking the states revenues away as al capone did in the 1920s and 30s.

You are fixing to see the reverse. Your dives will be the first to close. The nicer places will survive. You are the type of Tennessian that we are ashamed of. You give the rest of the good decent TN people a bad rep. Have you ever considered moving. The state wide averages would rise drastically if you exited. Smoking is for the poor and uneducated and if anyone is so called educated, they lack a great amount of common sense and logic.

[generalsn1234567]

The nicer places get exempted, such as the Brown Palace Hotel Bar in Denver, close to the State Capitol building

[u cannot own me]

cherry wrote:

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You are fixing to see the reverse. Your dives will be the first to close. The nicer places will survive. You are the type of Tennessian that we are ashamed of. You give the rest of the good decent TN people a bad rep. Have you ever considered moving. The state wide averages would rise drastically if you exited. Smoking is for the poor and uneducated and if anyone is so called educated, they lack a great amount of common sense and logic.

UU will be there to pick you up for your daily trip to the funny farm
http://www.mrpotatohead.net/world/kiddie.jpg

[cherry]

confederate1978 wrote:

<quoted text>Poor cherry,has it dawned on you yet the state of tennessee is now firmly in CONSERVATIVE HANDS, you know the ones against smoking bans as a matter of base core of beliefs.The only thing stopping tenn from repealing this stupid nazi law is phil bredesen and he maybe on his way to washington........as soon as he does,you better believe anti-smoking in tenn is DOA. Wafflehouse and many other restaraunts have had to file bankruptcy directly resulting from the smoking ban,state coffers are at all time lows and new business venue liscences died back in novemeber of 07.We lost 67 million in tobacco taxes alone in the first 10 months of the ban,it got so bad jimmy naifie and the legislature threw smoke free kids and ACS AND ALA out of the state back in the spring when they came calling for outlawing the excemptions and outlawing people smoking in cars with kids. The local media played up a bill for 3 days on outlawing smoking in cars,then it died and the local liberal media dropped it like a hot potatoe and said nothing more about it.Nor have they reported on the harm by the ban on tennessee restaraunts....like wafflehouse inc filing bankruptcy..........anti-smoki ng is a dead business in tenn.

Waffle house?? Those onse filled smoke boxes would be the first to fall. Do you see who works there? Your type. We dont eat there. TN is doing well. You need to leave your trailer more often and see the real world. Have you ever ate in a real restuarant, with real servers? Hmmmm.

[cherry]

once for those smokers who cant figure it out.

[u cannot own me]

cherry wrote:

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We dont eat there.

so thats why the huge celebration...no pigs allowed

[cherry]

u cannot own me wrote:

<quoted text> so thats why the huge celebration...no pigs allowed

How old are you? 10? You should not be smoking.
You sound like a top knotch public money sucker.
Have you ever gone outside? You sound like you dont have any other thing to do. We are going for a smokefree breakfast. Sorry, you cant go there. You probably wont make it inside the door for health and welfare concerns. See ya, I would not want to be you.

[generalsn1234567]

Atlantic City repealed their ban, the UK is considering adjusting rates (taxes) after finally admitting that the ban is devastating their pubs, and here in Chicago, many small neighborhood bars simply ignore the ban. After nearly a year, there have been NO customer or worker complaints. Al Capone is laughing in his grave.

[bdjunker]

cherry wrote:

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Waffle house?? Those onse filled smoke boxes would be the first to fall. Do you see who works there? Your type. We dont eat there. TN is doing well. You need to leave your trailer more often and see the real world. Have you ever ate in a real restuarant, with real servers? Hmmmm.

ANOTHER BIGOT!!!!

ALL rANTIS are BIGOTS. BIGOTS have MURDERED MILLIONS of innocent people, INCLUDING CHILDREN.

Is this BIGOT a SOCIALIST, FACIST or NAZI?

My money is on ALL 3.

[u cannot own me]

cherry wrote:

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Have you ever gone outside?

as a matter of fact, yes. My friends and I had lunch in a nice restaurant, then smokes and coffee while inside looking at the backside of the no smoking sign on the door.

[u cannot own me]

Poor dumb UU, he can pretend to be a cherry and his ignorance shines through rofl

[Get it]

u cannot own me wrote:

Poor dumb UU, he can pretend to be a cherry and his ignorance shines through rofl

Poor dumb Linda. Killed her mother with second hand smoke and does not even care. Hopefully you at least put flowers on her grave.

[Get it]

bdjunker wrote:

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ANOTHER BIGOT!!!!
ALL rANTIS are BIGOTS. BIGOTS have MURDERED MILLIONS of innocent people, INCLUDING CHILDREN.
Is this BIGOT a SOCIALIST, FACIST or NAZI?
My money is on ALL 3.

This comes from a woman who forced her children to breathe second hand smoke, drug them into restaurants where people were smoking, drove them around in a car while she was smoking. Her addicted rants show what kind of mother that she was. She does not care that her now adult children may die before she does because of her poor, addicted smoking choices when they were children.

How sick can you be to harm your own children and not care.

[Happy Contented Soul]

Get it wrote:

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This comes from a woman who forced her children to breathe second hand smoke, drug them into restaurants where people were smoking, drove them around in a car while she was smoking. Her addicted rants show what kind of mother that she was. She does not care that her now adult children may die before she does because of her poor, addicted smoking choices when they were children.
How sick can you be to harm your own children and not care.

fugetit.

[bdjunker]

Get it wrote:

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How sick can you be to harm your own children and not care.

Since I didn't harm my children, or anyone else for that matter, your point is moot.

Since my children are ages 37 and 41, your point is moot.

Since my Mother and Grandmother smoked around me, and I have now reached the age of 64, your point is moot.

Since my Mother and Grandmother smoked around my siblings, and they are in their middle to late 50's; your point is moot.

Since my Mother age age 84, is still smoking and healthy, your point is moot.

Since 80 million Baby Boomers (all those that grew up during the golden age of smoking) are either collecting SS, or about to, your point is moot.

ROFLMAO@U