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Missouri's Prop C: Voters Set to Challenge Health Reform

There are 18908 comments on the TIME.com story from Aug 3, 2010, titled Missouri's Prop C: Voters Set to Challenge Health Reform. In it, TIME.com reports that:

Missouri voters go to the polls Tuesday for the first-in-the-nation referendum on President Obama's health care plan.

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Thinking for myself

Sikeston, MO

#19673 Nov 1, 2012
I voted absentee ballot today. The vote is for or against the state setting up insurance exchanges to buy insurance across state lines. It won't make a difference. The federal government will set them up anyway for states that vote it down. It is not for voting down healthcare reform.
Norton

Kansas City, MO

#19674 Nov 1, 2012
[QUOTE who="gullible much? "]<quoted text>
Again, you don't understand why we are going deeper in debt or why it was unavoidable. You just get one side of the numbers an think you understand how it works!
Obama has effectively shrunk government spending, and the size of government, you suggest that he should have shrunk government spending to 7 trillion less than bush was spending? So you think unemployment of 15-18 percent was the way we should have gone?
I've read Obamacare, every line of HR3590, and reference it often, please tell me where the added tax comes in, excepting a tabacco tax or tanning bed taxes etc.
As for the individual mandate, I think Romney and the conservative think tank, The Heritage Foundation, had a good idea with that one, and making those that can afford insurance either get it or pay a penalty, makes sense. Otherwise I pay their health care bills when they can't.
You should take a look at the percentages of income that people will have to pay for insurance, and maximum healthcare costs before you bash it because of something you heard from someone else.
The COB as well as all bipartisan reviews of HR3590, have shown it to not only reduce government spending year over year, but to also reduce out of pocket spending for the American population as well.
I guess your just all about making sure the insurance companies get to make even bigger profits? Well guess what, you don't hear a bunch if them complaining about it either! Why? Because they will be making more too!
Rememeber, even FOX still thinks we passed HR3200 as they quote it often as Obamacare.
Of course over 76% of FOX viewers didn't know that Egypt had changed regimes, and only a few more than that know that Egypt is in Africa.[/QUOTE]

Well I'm glad to know that Egypt is in Africa and 76% of Fox viewers didn't know that!!!!!!!!!!

I wonder if Obama sat there and watched the Libya disaster like he watched Bin Ladin being killed or did he just go to bed and get up early to go campaigning in Las Vegas? What a President!

I don't care what you say I am against Obamacare (socialized medicine). I think it is a big disaster waiting to happen. It is a way to get total control of our lives. Anybody that cannot see that is just plain dumb.

'nuff said!

CHEERS!
gullible much?

Farmington, MO

#19675 Nov 2, 2012
Norton wrote:
[QUOTE who="gullible much? "]<quoted text>
Again, you don't understand why we are going deeper in debt or why it was unavoidable. You just get one side of the numbers an think you understand how it works!
Obama has effectively shrunk government spending, and the size of government, you suggest that he should have shrunk government spending to 7 trillion less than bush was spending? So you think unemployment of 15-18 percent was the way we should have gone?
I've read Obamacare, every line of HR3590, and reference it often, please tell me where the added tax comes in, excepting a tabacco tax or tanning bed taxes etc.
As for the individual mandate, I think Romney and the conservative think tank, The Heritage Foundation, had a good idea with that one, and making those that can afford insurance either get it or pay a penalty, makes sense. Otherwise I pay their health care bills when they can't.
You should take a look at the percentages of income that people will have to pay for insurance, and maximum healthcare costs before you bash it because of something you heard from someone else.
The COB as well as all bipartisan reviews of HR3590, have shown it to not only reduce government spending year over year, but to also reduce out of pocket spending for the American population as well.
I guess your just all about making sure the insurance companies get to make even bigger profits? Well guess what, you don't hear a bunch if them complaining about it either! Why? Because they will be making more too!
Rememeber, even FOX still thinks we passed HR3200 as they quote it often as Obamacare.
Of course over 76% of FOX viewers didn't know that Egypt had changed regimes, and only a few more than that know that Egypt is in Africa. "

Well I'm glad to know that Egypt is in Africa and 76% of Fox viewers didn't know that!!!!!!!!!!

I wonder if Obama sat there and watched the Libya disaster like he watched Bin Ladin being killed or did he just go to bed and get up early to go campaigning in Las Vegas? What a President!

I don't care what you say I am against Obamacare (socialized medicine). I think it is a big disaster waiting to happen. It is a way to get total control of our lives. Anybody that cannot see that is just plain dumb.

'nuff said!

CHEERS!
Oh, finally an honest answer from you, about Obamacare, see now, that is an opinion, and I respect that. You can feel that it is socialized medicine and not have to lie or misrepresent it to express that opinion.

My opinion is that socialism is a word that the right throws around as a scare tactic, even in situations where, by definition, it doesn't fit.

My feelings on Libya, were that it was increadibly mismanaged, by the ambassador, all the way up to the state department, much like the 47 americans we lost during the last administration, at attacks on our conulates and embassies.

But in the end, going from loosing 23.5 Americans every four years, to only loosing 3, although tragic, and still unacceptable, is a huge improvement on overall security.

People will always want to kill Americans, wherever we are at in the world, I'm glad this attack is getting more coverage, so that we as Americans can see those people we put in harms way, and the differences they make in the world.

Too bad none of the stories have been about the amazing things ambassador Stevens did during his time as one of the worlds greatest peace makers, his story has been lost in the rights sensationalism and politicizing of a tragic story for the benefit of a presidential campaign.
Norton

Kansas City, MO

#19676 Nov 2, 2012
[QUOTE who="gullible much? "]<quoted text>
Oh, finally an honest answer from you, about Obamacare, see now, that is an opinion, and I respect that. You can feel that it is socialized medicine and not have to lie or misrepresent it to express that opinion.
My opinion is that socialism is a word that the right throws around as a scare tactic, even in situations where, by definition, it doesn't fit.
My feelings on Libya, were that it was increadibly mismanaged, by the ambassador, all the way up to the state department, much like the 47 americans we lost during the last administration, at attacks on our conulates and embassies.
But in the end, going from loosing 23.5 Americans every four years, to only loosing 3, although tragic, and still unacceptable, is a huge improvement on overall security.
People will always want to kill Americans, wherever we are at in the world, I'm glad this attack is getting more coverage, so that we as Americans can see those people we put in harms way, and the differences they make in the world.
Too bad none of the stories have been about the amazing things ambassador Stevens did during his time as one of the worlds greatest peace makers, his story has been lost in the rights sensationalism and politicizing of a tragic story for the benefit of a presidential campaign.[/QUOTE]

Why have we not heard the truth about Libya and why did Ms. Rice get on 5 TV programs and say it was because of a video when they all knew it was a lie? Hillary said it! The President said it! Now we know it was not true. Was it politics? The ambassador had been asking for help before this all happened. I think there is a mouse in the meal somewhere in all of this and I doubt the truth will come out before the election.

I have heard them say many good things about the ambassador! You are right..........people will always want to kill Americans. I, also, don't think we give enough credit to those that are trying to protect us. One American loss is too many. It would be so easy for somebody to bring a suitcase bomb and kill many, many people. Someday I expect that to happen.

I still feel socialized medicine is a way to control the people, totally.
Of course, like you say, that is my opinion.

CHEERS!
gullible much?

Farmington, MO

#19677 Nov 2, 2012
Norton wrote:
[QUOTE who="gullible much? "]<quoted text>
Oh, finally an honest answer from you, about Obamacare, see now, that is an opinion, and I respect that. You can feel that it is socialized medicine and not have to lie or misrepresent it to express that opinion.
My opinion is that socialism is a word that the right throws around as a scare tactic, even in situations where, by definition, it doesn't fit.
My feelings on Libya, were that it was increadibly mismanaged, by the ambassador, all the way up to the state department, much like the 47 americans we lost during the last administration, at attacks on our conulates and embassies.
But in the end, going from loosing 23.5 Americans every four years, to only loosing 3, although tragic, and still unacceptable, is a huge improvement on overall security.
People will always want to kill Americans, wherever we are at in the world, I'm glad this attack is getting more coverage, so that we as Americans can see those people we put in harms way, and the differences they make in the world.
Too bad none of the stories have been about the amazing things ambassador Stevens did during his time as one of the worlds greatest peace makers, his story has been lost in the rights sensationalism and politicizing of a tragic story for the benefit of a presidential campaign. "

Why have we not heard the truth about Libya and why did Ms. Rice get on 5 TV programs and say it was because of a video when they all knew it was a lie? Hillary said it! The President said it! Now we know it was not true. Was it politics? The ambassador had been asking for help before this all happened. I think there is a mouse in the meal somewhere in all of this and I doubt the truth will come out before the election.

I have heard them say many good things about the ambassador! You are right..........people will always want to kill Americans. I, also, don't think we give enough credit to those that are trying to protect us. One American loss is too many. It would be so easy for somebody to bring a suitcase bomb and kill many, many people. Someday I expect that to happen.

I still feel socialized medicine is a way to control the people, totally.
Of course, like you say, that is my opinion.

CHEERS!
Our embassies were bombed under the previous administration. So it's already been done.

And I don't care why something happened, so much as how to prevent it from happening again, something this administration has been very good at.

Hence the major decline in attacks on embassies and consulates.

It was handled poorly, at least in the public, on that we agree, but the difference between us, is I don't think we as the public need to know anything about it until the investigation is complete. They should have just used the same ole "we won't discuss a current investigation line" then let the press just make crap up, that's what their good at anyway.
Mitt jr

Jamesport, MO

#19678 Nov 3, 2012
I would like to ask all Americans "WHY do you have to carry car insurance, but do not have to carry health insurance". I would think that most Christians out there would want to help mankind. Instead we fight about social medicine. Somewhere I miss what the people in this country are all about. Proper health care, and make everyone responsible for your own actions. Who pays for the emergency care needed,(like the Colorado movie theater shooting) where 75% of those people had no insurance. Did they expect to need health insurance. If we all had a health system then that would not be a problem. Also how does the medical staff get paid? One thing I do know is that one big problem is that health insurance companies are on Wall Street stocks. Capitalism cause greed, therefore causing higher insurance premiums.
Thats right I like greed
Baine Capitol managers
Norton

Kansas City, MO

#19679 Nov 3, 2012
Mitt jr wrote:
I would like to ask all Americans "WHY do you have to carry car insurance, but do not have to carry health insurance". I would think that most Christians out there would want to help mankind. Instead we fight about social medicine. Somewhere I miss what the people in this country are all about. Proper health care, and make everyone responsible for your own actions. Who pays for the emergency care needed,(like the Colorado movie theater shooting) where 75% of those people had no insurance. Did they expect to need health insurance. If we all had a health system then that would not be a problem. Also how does the medical staff get paid? One thing I do know is that one big problem is that health insurance companies are on Wall Street stocks. Capitalism cause greed, therefore causing higher insurance premiums.
Thats right I like greed
Baine Capitol managers
I'm not quite sure what your point is but I agree that any person that claims to be a christian should want to help mankind. However, there are those that just want a free handout. Nothing is free..........somebody has to pay for it. I am sorry for those that do not have healthcare but I do not think socialized medicine is the answer. It would be a government controlled system and they would tell you when and what treatment you could receive. Medicare and Medicaid is sort of like that now but it would be worse. Long waits for appts and older people would probably would be denied certain things. Qualified doctors might be questionable. You might just have to take what you get. It isn't all they are trying to make it sound like. People can't seem to get it thru their heads that when the government controls your healthcare..........THEY CONTROL YOUR WHOLE LIFE! People do not believe this will be controlled by the government but I guarantee you it will. Doctors do not want it. It will mean more paper work. They can't do their job now for all the paperwork and controls. Why would anybody even want to become a doctor? I don't know the answer but I don't think socialized medicine is at all. It makes me sick to think about it!

CHEERS!
gullible much?

Farmington, MO

#19680 Nov 3, 2012
Norton wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not quite sure what your point is but I agree that any person that claims to be a christian should want to help mankind. However, there are those that just want a free handout. Nothing is free..........somebody has to pay for it. I am sorry for those that do not have healthcare but I do not think socialized medicine is the answer. It would be a government controlled system and they would tell you when and what treatment you could receive. Medicare and Medicaid is sort of like that now but it would be worse. Long waits for appts and older people would probably would be denied certain things. Qualified doctors might be questionable. You might just have to take what you get. It isn't all they are trying to make it sound like. People can't seem to get it thru their heads that when the government controls your healthcare..........THEY CONTROL YOUR WHOLE LIFE! People do not believe this will be controlled by the government but I guarantee you it will. Doctors do not want it. It will mean more paper work. They can't do their job now for all the paperwork and controls. Why would anybody even want to become a doctor? I don't know the answer but I don't think socialized medicine is at all. It makes me sick to think about it!

CHEERS!
Doctors in the U.S. love the status quo here. We get charged more in America, for worse healthcare, than just about any other industrialized nation.

We no longer rank at the top of any lists, be it cancer survivors, or infant mortality, there are countries that put our healthcare to shame.

I remember when America was the best at some things, now we're just the most expensive. We now lead the world in so few categories, and the ones we do, are not the good ones.

You either change to keep up with the times, or watch as others pass you by. It's as true in country building as it is in business. It's those countries that refuse to change, that end up being great lessons in history, not great examples of the present.
ddddd

United States

#19681 Nov 4, 2012
great job
BullCrap

Greenbrier, AR

#19682 Nov 5, 2012
What a waste of voting because Federal law trumps state law

Since: Nov 12

Cabool

#19683 Nov 5, 2012
BullCrap wrote:
What a waste of voting because Federal law trumps state law
Fundamentally, this is not true. But, because of cooperative agreements between states and the Feds, they wield a big stick. They hold the strings to the federal purse that state lawmakers have become addicted to raiding.
Norton

Kansas City, MO

#19684 Nov 5, 2012
[QUOTE who="gullible much?"]<quoted text>
Doctors in the U.S. love the status quo here. We get charged more in America, for worse healthcare, than just about any other industrialized nation.
We no longer rank at the top of any lists, be it cancer survivors, or infant mortality, there are countries that put our healthcare to shame.
I remember when America was the best at some things, now we're just the most expensive. We now lead the world in so few categories, and the ones we do, are not the good ones.
You either change to keep up with the times, or watch as others pass you by. It's as true in country building as it is in business. It's those countries that refuse to change, that end up being great lessons in history, not great examples of the present.[/QUOTE]

I am not against change if it a good thing but change is not always good. I do agree in the change of a President! Obamacare is not a good thing and I am against it. If our healthcare is so bad why do so many people come here from other countries for treatment? I guess I just haven't heard about that good healthcare you are talking about!!!!......and please don't tell me it is socialized medicine!

CHEERS!
Mr Ed

Jamesport, MO

#19685 Nov 5, 2012
I would like to say. That the none insured person that uses the emergency room. Cannot pay for their work needed become a problem to society. Who pays for this service? The insured do. Higher cost for every with insurance so the medical center could make up for the loss of revenue. I agree with Mitt JR. WHo paid for all those no insured persons that got shot in Denver? We do, with higher cost of medical. ThThis is so the uninsured person can get absorbed into the medical system costs. You would be surprised how many people do not carry helth insurance. So make them all be responsible for themselves with a nominal cost national system. The money people can always go outside the natonal insurance co. and get medical assistance on their own. All it takes is MONEY. Most surgeons don't want this cause it will dip into the fat wallets for half a weeks work. The general doctors are fine with it.
gullible much?

Farmington, MO

#19686 Nov 5, 2012
Norton wrote:
[QUOTE who="gullible much?"]<quoted text>
Doctors in the U.S. love the status quo here. We get charged more in America, for worse healthcare, than just about any other industrialized nation.
We no longer rank at the top of any lists, be it cancer survivors, or infant mortality, there are countries that put our healthcare to shame.
I remember when America was the best at some things, now we're just the most expensive. We now lead the world in so few categories, and the ones we do, are not the good ones.
You either change to keep up with the times, or watch as others pass you by. It's as true in country building as it is in business. It's those countries that refuse to change, that end up being great lessons in history, not great examples of the present. "

I am not against change if it a good thing but change is not always good. I do agree in the change of a President! Obamacare is not a good thing and I am against it. If our healthcare is so bad why do so many people come here from other countries for treatment? I guess I just haven't heard about that good healthcare you are talking about!!!!......and please don't tell me it is socialized medicine!

CHEERS!
Lol, people from third world countries come here. Not people from England, Canada, Japan, or even China anymore..

We are rated way down the list, and continue to fall, we are even starting to fall in the research categories, which has always been our strongest category.

I'm betting you haven't read Obamacare? It's like saying your against something because some people told you to be.

Good call.
Smarter than average

Kansas City, MO

#19687 Nov 5, 2012
Hey, the guy who said free health care isn't free is right. I AM TIRED OF PAYING THROUGH THE NOSE FOR JERKS WITH NO INSURANCE. So, if the government wants to force tards to get insurance so be it. I will finally get some relief on my premiums.
Norton

Kansas City, MO

#19688 Nov 5, 2012
Smarter than average wrote:
Hey, the guy who said free health care isn't free is right. I AM TIRED OF PAYING THROUGH THE NOSE FOR JERKS WITH NO INSURANCE. So, if the government wants to force tards to get insurance so be it. I will finally get some relief on my premiums.
I said healthcare is not free, someone has to pay, but don't think your insurance will cost you less. Obamacare is just another tax that they have buried in politics. Don't believe me.....just wait and see. Everybody will be sorry for the healthcare they are not going to get, too.

Healthcare will be rationed!

CHEERS!


Norton

Kansas City, MO

#19689 Nov 5, 2012
[QUOTE who="gullible much? "]<quoted text>
Lol, people from third world countries come here. Not people from England, Canada, Japan, or even China anymore..
We are rated way down the list, and continue to fall, we are even starting to fall in the research categories, which has always been our strongest category.
I'm betting you haven't read Obamacare? It's like saying your against something because some people told you to be.
Good call.[/QUOTE]

I have not read it and there is no reason it should have been 2,000 pages. That right there is enough to tell me there is a snake in the grass. Pelosi said pass it and then read it then you will know what's in it. What a dimwit! People think they are going to pay a cheap premium for healthcare. They are being fooled by a bunch of idiots. It's just another big tax for less healthcare. Wait and see if I' not right if Obama gets back in.

CHEERS!

Since: Nov 12

Cabool

#19690 Nov 5, 2012
Let free enterprise work. Even the crack dealers know if they offer a better product at a cheaper rate they will get more business. Why can't the general public recognize this fact?
gullible much?

Farmington, MO

#19691 Nov 5, 2012
Norton wrote:
[QUOTE who="gullible much? "]<quoted text>
Lol, people from third world countries come here. Not people from England, Canada, Japan, or even China anymore..
We are rated way down the list, and continue to fall, we are even starting to fall in the research categories, which has always been our strongest category.
I'm betting you haven't read Obamacare? It's like saying your against something because some people told you to be.
Good call. "

I have not read it and there is no reason it should have been 2,000 pages. That right there is enough to tell me there is a snake in the grass. Pelosi said pass it and then read it then you will know what's in it. What a dimwit! People think they are going to pay a cheap premium for healthcare. They are being fooled by a bunch of idiots. It's just another big tax for less healthcare. Wait and see if I' not right if Obama gets back in.

CHEERS!
I've read it, and I will be happy to wait and see. And it's only a little over 900 pages, but I understand your difficulty with numbers and their exaggerations.

Since: Nov 12

Cabool

#19692 Nov 5, 2012
[QUOTE who="gullible much? "]<quoted text>
I've read it, and I will be happy to wait and see. And it's only a little over 900 pages, but I understand your difficulty with numbers and their exaggerations.[/QUOTE]
Ever study Socialism much? I thought since you were so 'knowledgeable' and by your handle, you might have.
Personally, I stopped reading when I realized it was a tax on all of us to fund medical treatment for everyone, even illegal aliens, against our will.
We will wind up in the same position as Spain before it's over. Not very smart.

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