House endorses tax break for stillborn children

Mar 31, 2008 | Posted by: The Associated Press | Full story: The Associated Press

The families of stillborn children could get a one-time tax break under legislation given preliminary approval by the House.

The Department of Health and Senior Services estimates there are 458 fetal deaths per year in Missouri. Legislative staff say the tax deduction would remove about $33,000 per year from state coffers.

The current tax exemption for children is $2,100.

Republican House sponsor Doug Funderburk, of St. Peters, says the tax break could help with the grieving process. He says it would help those with lower-incomes the most because the tax deduction is a greater portion of their income. Read more

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I just do not get it

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Why should anyone get a tax break for a still born. Tax breaks are to help offset some of the expenses of keeping a LIVING child alive and well. Missouri is so dumb when it comes to tax revenues - this is the exact reason why we never have enough money for things like roads & infrastructure. We're always pandering to the interests of the very few.
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I actually had a stillborn baby last year. I was 5 mos. along and miscarried. This tax break is a good idea i think. It might help a little with what we paid for funeral costs, hospital stays, etc. Unless you have been through this, you don't understand what it costs to stay in the hospital for multiple days in a row, or bury a child, keep up the cemetary, etc. I don't think the money will help us get through the grievance process any easier, but it will definitely help the family who lost the baby cover expenses. We're still playing catch up from when I lost our son. I had to take a couple weeks off work, plus cover the expenses. Like I said, if you haven't been there, you don't get it!
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I also had a stillborn child 2 years ago. She died during labor, so this was a full term 8 1/2 pound baby. Of course, there were all of the medical bills, the funeral expense, etc. Our life insurance actually has coverage for our children but we found out that "children" only includes children over 14 days old. For those individuals who have never had to deal with the death of their child, I guess you can be thankful as it is devastating to hold your deceased child.
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Why would you ever say that "I just don't get it" about giving these greaving people a tax credit. Obviously you have never had to go through a stillborn. You may have healthy kids and yes it does take money to get a LIVING child alive but there isn't enough money in the world to bring back a child that someone has lost. This money it to help pay for Hospital expenses, funeral expenses etc. Don't judge unless you have gone through it! You are one of those people that don't help one bit when it comes to losing a child! You should be ashamed of yourself! You make me sick!
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I too have had a full term still born child. She was a beautiful little girl w/ ten fingers and ten toes, full head of hair, shiny fingernails, pouty lips and chubby cheeks...just as wonderful as my son when he was born, the only difference...she was silent and never shed a tear. I was initially angered when I read "I just do not get it" but as I calmed down, I have to remind myself that I too never could've imagined what a family goes through when you lose a child this way and I truly pray that this person never has to go thru this pain-- I'm very proud to hear that this is being looked at b/c these families are no different financially than one w/ a living child for that year.(It's only a one time tax break!) These families still have to pay their Dr bills for a child they don't even get to take home...and buy head stones for children they never even got the opportunity to say hello to- Have you priced these lately?? and I do hope that this spreads nationwide...Now, if we could just get every state to aproove stillborn birth certficates...something, anything, to just acknowledge that my child, OUR CHILDREN, really did exist and they aren't just a puppy that died and was buried in the back yard! I would GLADLY drive on a bumpy road in Tennessee if it means one wife, husband or big brother or big sister gets a little bit of help to pay their expenses of the grief they are suffering from.
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So, tell me again why I should have to subsidize a funeral for a stillborn? People have family members die every day - why should you get a tax break? Just because you chose to reproduce, doesn't mean you get to ignore the risks involved. I should not have my tax money go for your choices. Simple as that.
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I actually had a stillborn baby last year. I was 5 mos. along and miscarried. This tax break is a good idea i think. It might help a little with what we paid for funeral costs, hospital stays, etc. Unless you have been through this, you don't understand what it costs to stay in the hospital for multiple days in a row, or bury a child, keep up the cemetary, etc. I don't think the money will help us get through the grievance process any easier, but it will definitely help the family who lost the baby cover expenses. We're still playing catch up from when I lost our son. I had to take a couple weeks off work, plus cover the expenses. Like I said, if you haven't been there, you don't get it!
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I just do not get it wrote:
So, tell me again why I should have to subsidize a funeral for a stillborn? People have family members die every day - why should you get a tax break? Just because you chose to reproduce, doesn't mean you get to ignore the risks involved. I should not have my tax money go for your choices. Simple as that.
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The reality is that if this child had taken even one breath or had one heartbeat OUTSIDE the womb, this wouldn't be a discussion. The tax deduction would be available and would require no additional legislation. This tax deduction pays for the exact same expenses that a family of a child who dies after birth pays for. Even a perfectly healthy child who is born at 11:59 on December 31st gets the deduction for the entire year. How do you justify that this is a different use of your money because the child died during the birth process?
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I just do not get it wrote:
Why should anyone get a tax break for a still born. Tax breaks are to help offset some of the expenses of keeping a LIVING child alive and well. Missouri is so dumb when it comes to tax revenues - this is the exact reason why we never have enough money for things like roads & infrastructure. We're always pandering to the interests of the very few.
Why shouldn't they get a tax break for bringing a child into the world too? Do you think they don't have expenses because the baby passed away? I sincerely doubt the hospital is going to go "Oh your baby died so we're not going to charge you!" Yeah right...(sigh)
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One reason a tax break is very warrented is that while pregnant a person is expecting that after the child is born they will be able to claim that child as their dependent and possibly then also qualify them to take the Earned Income Credit. This reduces tax owed greatly. I was preg and set up my taxes for a new job expecting to deliver a healthy baby, and since I had no insurance set my taxes to have the least amount taken out to help with the cost of prenatal care. Every extra dollar mattered at the time. Well I lost my baby due to miscarriage and now find myself owing extra in taxes at the end of the year. .. I think a one time credit is very fair and justified.
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''I just don't get it'',......... I am sure there is a lot in life you just don't get, you are just pure ignorant, I hope you never have to experience a stillborn firsthand. I recently purchased a headstone for my stillborn son, the costs almost 2,0000 dollars lets not talk about how much the funeral expenses were for my son. So yeah a tax break or tax credit would help out me and my family out a whole lot. Hope the state of Colorado can adopt that as well.
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I just do not get it wrote:
So, tell me again why I should have to subsidize a funeral for a stillborn? People have family members die every day - why should you get a tax break? Just because you chose to reproduce, doesn't mean you get to ignore the risks involved. I should not have my tax money go for your choices. Simple as that.
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Your right you JUST DON"T GET IT, I hope and pray you never have to find out how it feels. They spend our tax dollars on junk all the time that makes no sense like perfect well human beings that are to lazy to get a job.
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Why should the entire state of Missouri share the financial expenses of delivering or burying a stillborn child? When a family member passes, the state wants as much from the deceased' estate as possible, they certainly don't offer a tax credit to pay for funeral or estate expenses. I do not mean to sound harsh but having children does not entitle you to force your fellow citizens to share the financial burden of your offspring whether the child is born alive or not.
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I am outraged by the ignorance of the comments. I, too, buried my stillborn son. You just don't get why parents of stillborns should receive a tax credit if it was their choice to have a baby, well why do parents of living children get 18 years of tax credits to pay for children they chose to have? The fact is I'm a taxpayer. I have a great job and so does my partner. This was my first pregnancy and I'm 30 years old. I've been paying taxes for years, so please don't make it seem like the government is giving us money for no reason! As a parent of a stillborn, I incurred expenses for my child. It may not have been diapers, but I had expenses. So how dare you tell me as someone who pays a large portion in taxes that I'm not entitled to anything because my child died. If your living child dies prior to 18, God forbid, you will carry that child on your tax return. And the comment about when a family member gets sick and dies one doesn't receive money, for one we are talking about children and two if you're smart as an adult, you have life insurance to cover costs. News flash, life insurance doesn't cover stillborns, and we still have to bury our children to. Grow a heart. You must have the soul of the devil to complain about a few dollars given to parents whose children are stillborn. I, too, pay taxes. As a person with no living children, I pay more than my share of taxes. And in order to receive this benefit, one must work and pay taxes. The ignorance of some people!
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Patrice, I am sorry for your loss. My point is that we should not force the rest of society to pay for our choices. I am sure you have a cell phone, car payment, mortgage, credit card bills, etc...but you can't pony up a few thousand dollars to bury your child? Where are your priorities?
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How dare you! People with living children get tax exempts for their living children. This is a one time thing. So I suggest if you have any living children, you do not claim them on your taxes because this was your choice to have them. My household income with no living children is $130,000 a year. Do you know how much we pay in taxes? It's not so much the money as it is acknowledging our children were born that year, the same as people with living children. Have you ever had a stillborn? Have you ever had to endure such a tragedy? My child was born. I endured labor. I get a death certificate, but no birth certificate. You call yourself "bleeding heart", you don't have a heart and I pray for you. There aren't many stillborns, so for you to want to deny a small acknowledgement to our children is beyond pathetic. I pay more than $2100 in taxes per year. So what exactly is the government giving me? Because I have no living children 25% of my income goes to paying taxes. So if you want to fight it, be fair. No one who has children should be tax exempt. After all, we have cell phones. If God forbid you to grow old and get sick or need the police or fire department because my tax dollars are helping pay for that too. Concern yourself with serious issues that are harmful to the general public. You trying to fight families who want to recognize their kids were born in the same manner as living children seems cruel. I hope you or none of your family has to experience such a tragedy. You don't know how important it is for your child to be recognize as someone who was born. Until you've been there, shut your mouth and pray and be thankful this didn't happen to you. And stop acting like we are leeches on the government, it's so not the point. Open your mind. Listen to someone who's been there and have empathy. If Gabriel would have lived, I would have gotten a tax exempt acknowledging my child. So how is that hurting anyone that I receive a tax exempt after he died. What is it really going to do but lessen the amount of taxes I already have to pay back? Had he lived for a week in the hospital, would that make you feel better?
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The state of Missouri has a population of 5.6 million people. The state averages 458 stillbirths per year. Tax exemption is $2100 per child. You do the math. So you're being hurtful to parents who only want to recognize that their children were born for about 17 cent a person. Again I pay more than my share of taxes, so I'm not even getting the 17 cent of your money. My child was born. I should have the same rights as others who bore children this year. Why do you care so much? Would you like me to mail you 17 cent? I'd gladly do it! P.S. don't you ever make a judgement about my baby and my priorities! Don't you ever do that again!
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So, tell me again why I should have to subsidize a funeral for a stillborn? People have family members die every day - why should you get a tax break? Just because you chose to reproduce, doesn't mean you get to ignore the risks involved. I should not have my tax money go for your choices. Simple as that.
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you're not subsidizing anything dbag! you're just not getting a break for not having to have a funeral and pay medical expenses. I got a tax break for two years after my husband died if you want something to moan about. I'd like to say I hope nothing like this happens to you - but I'd be lying!
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something 'else' that is
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I just do not get it wrote:
So, tell me again why I should have to subsidize a funeral for a stillborn? People have family members die every day - why should you get a tax break? Just because you chose to reproduce, doesn't mean you get to ignore the risks involved. I should not have my tax money go for your choices. Simple as that.
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They chose to have their child die ? Please think before you speak/type.
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I am sorry for those who have lost children. The point being that no one should have to pay for anyone elses children whether they be living or not. I should not have to pay for your kids to go to school or pay for their day care either via taxes and you shouldn't have to pay for mine. I admit my comments probably were not taking the way I intended. But, like I said, we should not have to subsidize each other's families via taxes. It's the same for me to pay for your child credit as it is for me to pay for some whores out of wedlock children. I shouldn't have to and vice versa. We should all take care of ourselves. When tragedy strikes and the money is not there then we should rely on charity or our churches, not the irs by the force of a gun to steal money from each other.

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