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Should intelligent design be taught in the classroom?

There are 815 comments on the Examiner.com story from Jan 20, 2012, titled Should intelligent design be taught in the classroom?. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

A bill proposed in the Missouri House of Representatives would require the equal treatment of science instruction regarding biological evolution and intelligent design.

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The Dude

Sunderland, UK

#813 Feb 8, 2012
IntelligentAnimation wrote:
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You must really lack confidence in your theory to be so easily reduced to insults and religious hate speech.
Sad.
Except he's not the only one to notice you repeat mistakes after they've been addressed. Which is why for someone who claimed to be a biologist, you don't seem to know a whole lot about evolution, or science in general even.

If you rejected "Darwinism" for "scientific reasons" you would at least be able to make cogent arguments without having to rely on IDCreationist caricatures of scientific concepts. It is these mistakes you consistently make which makes your dishonesty stand out a mile.

At any time you are free to openly admit that ID is BS and you don't really know much about science. But in our experience on this forum, the fundies who stick around find much more enjoyment in informing the entire world of their ignorance.
The Dude

Sunderland, UK

#814 Feb 8, 2012
The Advocate wrote:
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Yeah.
Evolution is the one that explains the response to stimulus.
So.
Where is the "intelligence" in the stimulus coming from?
Care to explain that?
And does He have a nice condo in Beverly Hills?
The Dude

Sunderland, UK

#815 Feb 8, 2012
IntelligentAnimation wrote:
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AM, you cant point to anything at all.
There is not a single aspect of any living thing... no formation, activity, thought, reproduction or free will... that does not make a joke out of your silly and evidence-free belief that a happy mix of chemicals causes it all.
Sometimes it's a sad mix of chemicals.

We like to call them IDers.(shrug)
IntelligentAnimation wrote:
If you disagree, then explain any one thing through standard chemistry. Just one. Should be a snap.
Do you believe that your thoughts are also random happenstance? Just trying to guage the stupidity level here....
You're STILL conflating randomness with chemistry.

I think we have WELL established a stupidity level here.

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The Dude

Sunderland, UK

#816 Feb 8, 2012
IntelligentAnimation wrote:
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Advocate, you do NOT speak for evolution if you are a Darwinist.
Yes, evolution by intelligent cause is clearly what causes predictable changes in genetics in all stimulus response genetic experiments. We predict the change, grab a bucket of popcorn, and then it happens as we predicted it. There is no longer any question as to the cause of genetic changes. Genetics change purposefully to adjust to the changing needs of their environment.
Except the designer seems to be a bit selective in that regard...

You even HEARD of starvation in the third world, Annie?
IntelligentAnimation wrote:
The whole bizarre concept of Darwinist random accident never made sense and always failed mathematically, but now we can prove it to be false with the scientific method.
Intelligent evolution wins out on every experiment. Darwinist evolution fails every time. So where is the debate?
There isn't one. There is only your baseless and failed but repetitive proclamations.(shrug)
The Dude

Sunderland, UK

#817 Feb 8, 2012
IntelligentAnimation wrote:
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Advocate, asking where it comes from is not a refutation of its existence. Where does electromagnetism "come from"? Are you claiming that if you dont know where it "comes from" then it cant exist? Really?
Nope. We have evidence of the universe but we don't know for certain "where" it comes from.

We don't have evidence of your designer thus far.

It COULD exist.

On the other hand, it COULD also not.
The Dude

Sunderland, UK

#818 Feb 8, 2012
Discord wrote:
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Except for the small problems that:
1. There is no scientific evidence that an intelligence caused the universe, life, humanity, etc.
2. You are still confusing natural with random. 2 Hydrogen atoms and an Oxygen atom combining to make a molecule of water is natural, not random, and there is no evidence to suggest that an intelligence 'willed' them together.
3. You are free to use Intelligent Design yourself to mean intelligently directed Evolution (most people use the term Theistic Evolution instead), however to the majority of people that use the term, Intelligent Design was put forth as an alternative to Evolution, and it is that context that we discuss it here.
4. No science class that I have ever heard of, taken or read about makes the claim that cause of the universe, life, etc. was 'random accident'. Your opposition to what you call Darwinism is essentially tilting at windmills because your opponent doesn't exist.
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And around in circles we go...
The Dude

Sunderland, UK

#819 Feb 8, 2012
Discord wrote:
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I will ask that you stop using the terms obvious, certain, etc. It's not as no scientist I have ever heard of has ever conceded such a thing.
See, how things work here is, step 1 back up your point, step 2 claim it is obvious. Don't skip.
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Annie is the skipping champion of the skipping olympics. I heard the kangaroos even tried to sue.
The Dude

Sunderland, UK

#820 Feb 8, 2012
CTEd wrote:
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he's massive troll, everyone should just stop feeding him and let him post his loopy posts.
But sometimes it's much more fun to point out that all he can tell us about ID is that "some intelligent thing... did something, somehow, somewhere, at sometime!"
The Dude

Sunderland, UK

#821 Feb 8, 2012
MikeF wrote:
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Is that anything like a 'True Christian'?
Sorry pal, but you've gone 'round the bend now. If ID is valid then ANYONE should be able to define it. You want to criticize atheists as been close minded then you zoom right off into this nonsense.
Problem is so far, no-one can define ID, in a scientific manner anyway.

Not even the guys who made it up.

So we have to look elsewhere OTHER than science to define it.

And lo and behold, that's what Phil Johnson did for us.

When he pointed out it was "Goddidit with magic".
The Advocate

Mexico, Mexico

#822 Feb 8, 2012
The Dude wrote:
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And does He have a nice condo in Beverly Hills?
Indeed, with a pool and a car park big enough for six vans, since "It's" smart enough to make its own money, apparently.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#823 Feb 8, 2012
IntelligentAnimation wrote:
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Advocate, asking where it comes from is not a refutation of its existence. Where does electromagnetism "come from"? Are you claiming that if you dont know where it "comes from" then it cant exist? Really?
Well then you yourself have just now completely refuted the religitard argument that there must be a "first cause" and that you know that "first cause" is your Gaud. The universe exists, you do not know where it comes from, that does not mean it can not exist none the less, creator or no creator. A creator is not required.

Here, let me say it for you; "D'OH!!!!!"

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#824 Feb 8, 2012
LowellGuy wrote:
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I question it. Show us this evidence.
Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear.
Thomas Jefferson

Since: Jan 08

Danville, CA

#825 Feb 8, 2012
IntelligentAnimation wrote:
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AM, we definitely can point to evidence that an intelligent cause exists, of that there is no question. It is the most certain fact in all science.
If you are looking for a name, call ir what you want. It is there, nonetheless. Whatever it is, it is intelligent, capable of moving both matter and energy and it has the intention of life sustenence.
Does a fire investigator rule out arson just because he/she doesnt know who started the fire? No, they detect signs of intelligent intent and then search for an arsonist they may never find
We will learn more only by explorng it, not by pretending that life is an ongoing comedy of errors in which we just keep getting lucky enough to be functional and self-aware. That vapid stupidity will never get us anywhere because there is no hope of it being even somewhat true.
This was really funny, I hope you're not serious.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#826 Feb 10, 2012
>>>IntelligentAnimati on wrote:
If you are looking for a name, call it what you want.

>>>Gillette
OK, how about "Cheeses the Lord and Savior"?

>>>IntelligentAnimati on wrote:
Whatever it is, it is intelligent, capable of moving both matter and energy and it has the intention of life sustenence.

>>>Gillette
Really? Then why have 99% of all the animal species that have ever lived on earth gone EXTINCT?

Evolution provides answers. Does your "Intelligent Designer"?

Is your Cheeses still working at getting it RIGHT?
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#827 Feb 10, 2012
>>>IntelligentAnimati on
What, do tell, is applying pressure toward anything positive? This is nothing more than the usual tired and repeatedly rebuked selection fallacy.

>>>Gillette
You've been given examples already in this thread.

In an arctic environment, rabbits born with the occasional genetic mutation for brown fur will, as a group, tend to live a lot shorter lives than their white counterparts. The hawks and eagles, etc. in their environment will see to that.

So gradually, over many generations, the species has come to have almost entirely white fur.

If, due to global warming, the ice melts and the environment quickly becomes brown or green, then those rabbits with the mutation for brown fur will begin to thrive and the white ones will tend to make quick meals for the predators.

So gradually, over many generations, the species will come to have almost entirely brown fur.

There you have it. Evolution (Gene modification PLUS Natural selection) at work. NOT random, and NOT designed -- unless you think the Widdle Baby Cheeses sits up there in the Christian heaven saying, "Hmmm, I WIKES wittle brown bunnies...."

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