Vaccine surveys alarming Minnesota health officials

After five Minnesota children suffered Hib in 2008 - and one died - public health officials swabbed 1,631 other children to learn if the diminutive bacterial disease was making a surprise comeback. Full Story
First Prev
of 3
Next Last
Galen

Saint Paul, MN

#1 Jan 9, 2010
The lying quacks who are claiming vaccines cause autism are endangering us all.
Peter

Houston, TX

#2 Jan 9, 2010
Science is no match for a mother's intuition and how she knows her baby. That's, in essence, much of the vaccination problem. Dopes like Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey push the anti-vaccination nonsense and people listen.

http://www.generationrescue.org/
Livin Here and Now

Saint Paul, MN

#3 Jan 9, 2010
Minnesota health officials are alarmed because every prediction they've made has been way off, and they're just now realizing they have no idea what they're doing.
Dale

Eau Claire, WI

#4 Jan 9, 2010
That any child gets a preventable disease,whether it is mild or ends up killing a precious youngster, is akin to child abuse by the parent who chooses not to immunize.

The self proclaimed advocates of vaccinations causing illness, with no scientific background nor training in being able to evaluate a complex situation, often with only Hollywood celebrity status as their claim to authority, have indeed each and every one of these preventable deaths, the cost of treatment and the soul wrenching pain that the parents face, firmly on their shoulders.

The biggest bang for our buck in health care is immunizations, properly done at the correct age. To have a preventable disease and then suffer life-long deficiencies or fail to achieve your God-given potential because some lingering doubt about safety is inexcusable in this day and age. This is not Medieval England with witches and demons sneaking about at night with vapors causing illness.

No one wants to hurt their child, but many behaviors that parents allow (over eating, too much of the wrong foods, smoking around them or during pregnancy) all seem to be OK in today's society, in order to defend the "right" of the parent to "choose" their child's health. As a responsible adult, we would snatch an child from the path of a speeding car and be congratulated for it. We as members of the community insist that all children be immunized, with only very rare, documented medical or true religious conviction as the exception. Almost every outbreak of preventable disease has been in unimmunized or improperly immunized children.

Let the TRUE scientific facts speak for themselves.

Oh, and to have the reporter try some Political Correctness in choosing the pandering words about scientific research "disputing" the proof that thimerosol in old vaccinations wasn't a cause, is a failure of the power of the editors and print journalism. Our science needs to be vigorously defended and every opportunity to beat down myths and unproven hunches should be top priority by our newspapers to improve the citizens' health and well being.
Linda

Minneapolis, MN

#5 Jan 9, 2010
My daughter was one of those that got off the vaccination schedule for Hib because of the shortage of the vaccine. Gee. And they're surprised at the increase in cases when it's taken almost 7 months to get the vaccine in the clinic we go to?
drj

Saint Paul, MN

#6 Jan 9, 2010
Dale wrote:
That any child gets a preventable disease,whether it is mild or ends up killing a precious youngster, is akin to child abuse by the parent who chooses not to immunize.
The self proclaimed advocates of vaccinations causing illness, with no scientific background nor training in being able to evaluate a complex situation, often with only Hollywood celebrity status as their claim to authority, have indeed each and every one of these preventable deaths, the cost of treatment and the soul wrenching pain that the parents face, firmly on their shoulders.
The biggest bang for our buck in health care is immunizations, properly done at the correct age. To have a preventable disease and then suffer life-long deficiencies or fail to achieve your God-given potential because some lingering doubt about safety is inexcusable in this day and age. This is not Medieval England with witches and demons sneaking about at night with vapors causing illness.
No one wants to hurt their child, but many behaviors that parents allow (over eating, too much of the wrong foods, smoking around them or during pregnancy) all seem to be OK in today's society, in order to defend the "right" of the parent to "choose" their child's health. As a responsible adult, we would snatch an child from the path of a speeding car and be congratulated for it. We as members of the community insist that all children be immunized, with only very rare, documented medical or true religious conviction as the exception. Almost every outbreak of preventable disease has been in unimmunized or improperly immunized children.
Let the TRUE scientific facts speak for themselves.
Oh, and to have the reporter try some Political Correctness in choosing the pandering words about scientific research "disputing" the proof that thimerosol in old vaccinations wasn't a cause, is a failure of the power of the editors and print journalism. Our science needs to be vigorously defended and every opportunity to beat down myths and unproven hunches should be top priority by our newspapers to improve the citizens' health and well being.
What a soap box!! Was it true proven science when the CDC indicated abortions increased the risk of breast cancer. How about the past wide spread almost mandate for hormone replacement therapy. Scientific research and who does it is not automatically right. Perhaps you would like to expound on drug company sponsored research and its unbiasedness.
Jen

Champlin, MN

#7 Jan 9, 2010
There are a wealth of legitimate reasons for delaying the administration of childhood vaccines, selectively vaccinating, or avoiding vaccines altogether. Autism, as mentioned in the article, is but one of these reasons. Many parents have concerns regarding other possible vaccine reactions, various ingredients in vaccines, and the efficacy of vaccines.

For a concise and thoughtful discussion of such concerns, please see the following well-sourced article from Mothering Magazine entitled "Vaccine Debate":

http://www.mothering-digital.com/mothering/sa...
Peter

Houston, TX

#8 Jan 9, 2010
Jen wrote:
There are a wealth of legitimate reasons for delaying the administration of childhood vaccines, selectively vaccinating, or avoiding vaccines altogether. Autism, as mentioned in the article, is but one of these reasons. Many parents have concerns regarding other possible vaccine reactions, various ingredients in vaccines, and the efficacy of vaccines.
For a concise and thoughtful discussion of such concerns, please see the following well-sourced article from Mothering Magazine entitled "Vaccine Debate":
http://www.mothering-digital.com/mothering/sa...
"Reasons", now that's a stretch. Reason doesn't seem to have much of anything to do with why people skip vaccinations. Skipping things like Mothering Magazine will do more for your kids health than blowing off vaccinations.

Here's an interesting science-based article on autism.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/518449

http://www.autismresearchcentre.com/arc/staff...
Dan

Saint Paul, MN

#9 Jan 9, 2010
mary podlesak

Buffalo, NY

#10 Jan 9, 2010
So, let me get this straight, vaccines are universally safe and effective, given at any dosage to any individual worldwide in combination with any other drug or vaccine with the vaccine receipient in any state of health. They are solely responsible for the eradication of smallpox, polio, yellow fever, diptheria, rabies, tetnus, measles, Hib, etc. Public health sanitary measures and modern engineering methods had nothing to do with advances in public health and welfare. No raw data obtained independently of pharmacuetical interests verifying or validating these assertions is necessary as the conclusions are logically self evident.

I am the mother of four high functioning autistic children. I have an MS in Industrial Engineering. My undergrad degrees were in Economics and Statistics. My husband has a Phd in EE. Our children did not speak until they were 5. I am one of 60 cousins. My mother was one of 13, my father one of 10. There wasn't a single individual in any of my husband's or my families' with a condition remotely like that of our children. My friend, a biostatistician professor at Yale unequivocally asserts that it is well known that vaccines are to blame for autism.
Peter

Houston, TX

#11 Jan 9, 2010
mary podlesak wrote:
So, let me get this straight, vaccines are universally safe and effective, given at any dosage to any individual worldwide in combination with any other drug or vaccine with the vaccine receipient in any state of health. They are solely responsible for the eradication of smallpox, polio, yellow fever, diptheria, rabies, tetnus, measles, Hib, etc. Public health sanitary measures and modern engineering methods had nothing to do with advances in public health and welfare. No raw data obtained independently of pharmacuetical interests verifying or validating these assertions is necessary as the conclusions are logically self evident.
I am the mother of four high functioning autistic children. I have an MS in Industrial Engineering. My undergrad degrees were in Economics and Statistics. My husband has a Phd in EE. Our children did not speak until they were 5. I am one of 60 cousins. My mother was one of 13, my father one of 10. There wasn't a single individual in any of my husband's or my families' with a condition remotely like that of our children. My friend, a biostatistician professor at Yale unequivocally asserts that it is well known that vaccines are to blame for autism.
With that education, you should know the difference between your personal anecdote and large sample science. But you don't.
mary podlesak

Buffalo, NY

#12 Jan 9, 2010
I did post a reply. What happened to it?
mary podlesak

Buffalo, NY

#13 Jan 9, 2010
Apparently, I'm political dynamite. Can't post that. So you have to call me a nut - the last refuge of scoundrels.
mary podlesak

Buffalo, NY

#14 Jan 9, 2010
I looked in my statistics books for the definition of "anecdotal" data. Couldn't find it. Statisticians don't recognize such crap. Physicians define "anecdotal" data as any data they don't want to acknowledge because it might implicate them in the etiology of mortal or morbid conditions. I realize my family data are not part of a double-blind randomized controlled trial but they are not irrelevant. They should offer a reason for greater study.
mary podlesak

Buffalo, NY

#15 Jan 9, 2010
My Yalie friend worked with Merck researchers on vaccine development. He knows what he is talking about. He, like all my statistician friends who remain silent, have to keep their day jobs.
martha

Saint Paul, MN

#16 Jan 9, 2010
mary podlesak wrote:
So, let me get this straight, vaccines are universally safe and effective, given at any dosage to any individual worldwide in combination with any other drug or vaccine with the vaccine receipient in any state of health. They are solely responsible for the eradication of smallpox, polio, yellow fever, diptheria, rabies, tetnus, measles, Hib, etc.
Let's get this straight: you know so much about vaccines that you write "diptheria" for diphtheria and "tetnus" for tetanus. You think that all of those diseases have been eradicated when, in fact, all but smallpox still inhabit the Earth and would be quite happy to infect you. You apparently haven't heard about the enormous size of the safety studies that are required for vaccine licensure, and the fact that all such studies look at vaccines along with all the others that are recommended ("concomitant use," look it up). And we should believe you over the doctors and scientists who devote their careers to researching vaccines?
mary podlesak

Buffalo, NY

#17 Jan 9, 2010
Finally, I have this to say, which didn't make it to my first reply... I'm not young, pretty, nor have I worked in my field lately, but I am more than willing to meet with anyone here in a public debate of the autism-vaccination connection, when you are ready. Just make sure you tell your sleazy pharmcuetical partners in crime that I expect to be compensated handsomly. No more of these freebies, nor your insults to my intelligence.
Not as Delusional as you

Burnsville, MN

#18 Jan 9, 2010
mary podlesak wrote:
Finally, I have this to say, which didn't make it to my first reply... I'm not young, pretty, nor have I worked in my field lately, but I am more than willing to meet with anyone here in a public debate of the autism-vaccination connection, when you are ready. Just make sure you tell your sleazy pharmcuetical partners in crime that I expect to be compensated handsomly. No more of these freebies, nor your insults to my intelligence.
Maybe its your location, Buffalo? Hooker Chemical Company? Love Canal? Buffalo is highly polluted, even today. Many autistic clusters are centered around chemical dumping areas. All other things equal, to date, vaccines have not been shown statistically to raise the incidence of autism. Living in Buffalo though.........
mary podlesak

Buffalo, NY

#19 Jan 9, 2010
You want to criticize my spelling, touche. You got me. As for concommitant use and the extensive data developed for vaccine licensure, certainly, I welcome your proving to me with the raw data of these studies that vaccines are safe and efficacious. Show me the science.
mary podlesak

Buffalo, NY

#20 Jan 9, 2010
My children were born in one of the most upscale areas of New Jersey.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker
First Prev
of 3
Next Last

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Minnesota Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Senate GOP sticks together on Medicare (May '11) Jan 28 swedenforever 29
Former Minn. Nurse Guilty of Assisting Suicide ... Jan 26 Medicare vs Seniors 2
Why Wisconsin Sucks (Apr '10) Jan 24 Englands finest 152
Report: Christie to tap fundraiser for 2016 Jan 23 serfs up 5
Mock Draft 1.5 Jan 19 Turdsburgh 3
Panel calls for bold action to fill critical sh... Jan 17 humanspirit 2
For Minnesota, U.S. hospitals, re-admissions pr... (Sep '13) Jan 15 breaker19 4
More from around the web