Biodiesel bill has escape route

Minnesota's 2 percent biodiesel mandate is going up. First to 5 percent. Then 10 percent.

[Tybalt]

the food-fuel debate is certainly relevant here, mr junhkes protestations aside. But what is more relevant is the economic distortions and unintended consequences of these sort of government interverntions in the marketplace.

[Bob from ALAMN]

For more information on biodiesel in Minnesota, see this website from the American Lung Association of the upper Midwest:

www.CleanAirChoice.org

[mike]

B as B S as in S use of food for fuel when people are starving and food prices doubling and tripling while we sit on our a#% on our own oil reserves for fear of disturbing the carribou who by the way don`t give a shit about the pipeline that we already built and as much as raw oil we finally are building a couple new refineries after 30 years fighting with wackos who don`t want lastly we can`t build any nuclear power because of same wackos so go wonder why and continue to give billions to people who hate us and use our money to kill us instead of spend at home while whine and blaming big bad oil companies

[Sen Amy K]

Demand for energy is rising around the world, according to the U.S. Department of Energy and the International Energy Administration. Data show global demand for oil and natural gas will likely grow 45% by 2030 compared with 2006. The Department of Interior estimates there are 112 billion barrels of technically recoverable oil beneath U.S. federal lands and coastal waters. That’s enough oil to fuel 60 million cars for 60 years, when you take into account the average yield of gasoline from a barrel of crude oil and the average number of gallons of gasoline consumed annually by a passenger vehicle.

[real information]

what are you saying Senator?

[Sen Amy K]

real information wrote:

what are you saying Senator?

If we drill the prices will come down

[What]

Sen Amy K wrote:

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If we drill the prices will come down

The prices are never coming down. That's like saying a temporary tax will go away. It never happens.

[real information]

How does this align with your platform?

[Don Shelby]

What wrote:

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The prices are never coming down. That's like saying a temporary tax will go away. It never happens.

supply and demand my friend.

[Don Johnson]

i'm familiar with a few large biodiesel plants that receive subsidies from the government under the guise of "reducing our dependence on foreign oil"

irony is that they are selling the majority of their product overseas

[David]

This is a typical DFL approach to government. When B@ was passed, it was an emergency for Mother Earth. There was not time to debate. The earth will be destroyed, if we do not immediately interfere with market forces. Even more unfortunately there are very few conservatives to stand up to this nonsense. MN has become the land of 10,000 loons (and RINOs).

Now it is even more of an emergency to force this boondoggle even further to the left. All of this notwithstanding that even socialist Europe now ademits that the biofuels movement was a mistake, which has caused immediate unanticipated consequences, i.e. food shortages, famine, and food riots worldwide.

Even as these things are absolutely happening, the DFL and its RINO cohorts continue to dance to the big-government interference tune.

The saddest part of all of this is that these people were warned of these consequences prior to the DFL Junta ramrodding B2. In another two years, when it gets even worse, they will still make the reprehnsible denilas that you see in this particular article.

[Red Ryder]

it's about gubermint making money, not "saving the environment".

***Vegetable oil fuels cars -- and tax bills***

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/politics/ca...

Remember, boys and girls, Government is not the solution, Government is the problem.

[Thomas F]

Bob from ALAMN wrote:

For more information on biodiesel in Minnesota, see this website from the American Lung Association of the upper Midwest:
www.CleanAirChoice.org

I trust nothing that comes out of the ALAMN.

However, I don't see why we're not tapping our biggest potential biodiesel resources. Why do we need crops when the oil used in fast food places could be cleaned and converted for a fraction of the money?

Given a choice between paying to dispose of the oil or getting a few cents a gallon in return, I'm sure they'd be more than happy to sell their fryer oil cheaply. Plenty of people have made perfectly usable biodiesel from fast food oil. Why can't it be done on a larger scale by someone with the resources to send the tanker trucks out on rounds to fill up with oil?

Now, if you want to go green, which is more green, converting part of a soybean crop to biodiesel or converting the discarded fryer oil that's otherwise going who knows where?

[real information]

Thomas F wrote:

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I trust nothing that comes out of the ALAMN.
However, I don't see why we're not tapping our biggest potential biodiesel resources. Why do we need crops when the oil used in fast food places could be cleaned and converted for a fraction of the money?
Given a choice between paying to dispose of the oil or getting a few cents a gallon in return, I'm sure they'd be more than happy to sell their fryer oil cheaply. Plenty of people have made perfectly usable biodiesel from fast food oil. Why can't it be done on a larger scale by someone with the resources to send the tanker trucks out on rounds to fill up with oil?
Now, if you want to go green, which is more green, converting part of a soybean crop to biodiesel or converting the discarded fryer oil that's otherwise going who knows where?

Is there anywhere that this is not being done? Around here, a bi-products company filters fryer oil and blends it with diesel for their trucks.
Large scale? this is a drop in the bucket.

[Red Ryder]

Now that we're going to dissolve people rather than cremate or bury, we can turn our relatives into... BIO FUEL!!

"MPG" will now mean 'miles per grandma' and Algore will start another new company urging the euthanasia of the old and infirmed to "take one for Team Earth".

[Tybalt]

Bob from ALAMN.

You're a propagandist. Go away.

[Joe Lovshe]

If someone thinks that you can ever take a finite supply (food crops) and satisfy infinite demand (fuel) without creating catastrophic economic problems you are either insane or a politician (synonymous). If the good people of Minnesotta have any sense they should recall Pawlenty. This moron also wants to mandate 20% ethanol in your gas. Mandates are a way of forcing people to go in a certain direction, that was what Hitler did.

[reason]

Joe Lovshe wrote:

If someone thinks that you can ever take a finite supply (food crops) and satisfy infinite demand (fuel) without creating catastrophic economic problems you are either insane or a politician (synonymous). If the good people of Minnesotta have any sense they should recall Pawlenty. This moron also wants to mandate 20% ethanol in your gas. Mandates are a way of forcing people to go in a certain direction, that was what Hitler did.

I'd say that food supply and fuel demand would have to be either both finite or both infinate depending on how you define infinity as it pretains to this issue. Ethanol created added demand for corn. Other crops have had reductions in acerage as a result. Grain prices have gone up. Grocery prices have gone up, in part because of the above, must mostly because of increasing transportation costs and the lower value of our dollar.
How could ethanol demand affect coffee (have you bought coffee lately?) They are not plowing up coffee farms and planting corn. A guy tried to tell me that hops have gone up because of ethanol.

[Sen Amy K]

the dems complain about high fuel prices like everyone else. But when asked about drilling for domestic oil they clam up.

DFL, teamster and environmentalists wackos-all the same

[reason]

Senator, with all due respect, you are a member of the Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party.