Ellison calls out Bachmann for violent rhetoric
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#1 Jan 10, 2011
Ellison calls out Bachmann for violent rhetoric
by: The Big E
Mon Jan 10, 2011 at 17:00:00 PM CST
In the wake of Jared Loughner killing six and wounding 14 people at Rep. Gabrielle Giffords constituent meeting in Tucson, AZ, Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN) is calling out Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) for her violent rhetoric. Bachmann is well known for her fear-mongering and conspiracy theories.
Here is a sampling of her violent rhetoric:
She called for conservatives to rise up against the our elected government.
She called for conservatives to become armed and dangerous in opposing cap-and-trade legislation.
She claimed that in Washington, DC she feels like a foreign correspondent behind enemy lines.
She urged conservatives at a Colorado speech to slit their wrists in a bizarre blood bond to stop healthcare reform.
She even conflated healthcare reform with the government playing Russian Roulette.
Specifically, Ellison called out her language about being "armed and dangerous" in opposition to a cap and trade bill:
Ellison notes that back in early 2009, his colleague, Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., called for Minnesotans to be "armed and dangerous" in response to President Barack Obama's energy plans.
Ellison said that kind of gun imagery doesn't belong in the political discourse.
"The political rhetoric has grown increasingly toxic, and making allusions (to) guns and reloading, and armed and dangerous, certainly contributes to a toxic political environment, and does have consequences," Ellison said.
As the first and most prominent of the two Muslims elected to Congress, Ellison has been the target of a heck of a lot of hate.
Yet hate mail has become almost mundane, said Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn. He said he receives it every day.
"We've gotten so immune to it, and it doesn't really rank in terms of priority because it's just so ordinary, so regular," Ellison said. "But we should never let it become ordinary. We should take these things seriously."
#2 Jan 12, 2011
During a radio show on Saturday, Rep. Michele Bachmann described herself as a “foreign correspondent on enemy lines” in Washington, D.C. The Republican congresswoman went on to tell WWTC-AM:
"I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back. Thomas Jefferson told us, having a revolution every now and then is a good thing, and the people — we the people — are going to have to fight back hard if we’re not going to lose our country. And I think this has the potential of changing the dynamic of freedom forever in the United States."
#3 Jan 12, 2011
OH Look now. Big E one of the professional bloggers from Progressive Minnesota AKA Committee for a better minnesota action fund George soros ceo started in the fall of 2010 to have useful idiots like Big E Unseat Michelle Bachmann.
The conservative 6th wouldn't buy into the Hit rhetoric of the Soros flunkees and Comrade Clark got sent to a Goulag for re- indoctrination.
Big E. an acronym for Big Exploiter and simple theif of posters names that oppose the politics of Useful idiots.
Definatly of the criminal element, Twististicks and diverson of others statements is very clever , but stupid. Representative bachmann wants her constutuents armed with knoledge of the enemies plans and Armed with facts. sorry instigator But people with an I.Q higher than the diseased intellect of a progressive socialist knows exactly what and why the representative made the statement,
Your post only underscores her statement.
Ewe and your george soros Van jones Communists have spewed more vitrol in the last few days than Reverand wright has done in his short Career.
“I am always right.”
Since: Oct 09
Former MN Taxpayer
#4 Jan 12, 2011
I really like Keith. He is a fun guy who doesn't back down from a challenge.
I wonder if he has paid up all those outstanding parking tickets in Minneapolis. And has that restraining order been lifted yet?
#6 Jan 14, 2011
Bachmann supporting Iranian group State Dept labels as terrorist
by: The Big E
Thu Jan 13, 2011 at 19:00:00 PM CST
Ken Avidor over at Dump Bachmann found a gem concerning Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN). It appears she is providing material support for a terrorist organization. Or at least that the US State Department labels this group a terrorist organization. Specifically, Bachmann wants the People's Mujahideen Organisation of Iran (PMOI) removed from the list of terrorist organizations. However, this advocacy on PMOI's behalf is itself illegal.
The relevent bit starts at 8:30 into the vid.
Is this support for PMOI in the same vein as the Minneapolis residents who have been subpoenaed to appear in Chicago for providing material support to a terrorist organization? Or does the law apply differently to elected officials?
And doesn't she often spew conspiracy theories about Democrats colluding with terrorists? Seems a wee bit hypocritical for her to now get busted providing material support for a terrorist organization.
#7 Jan 14, 2011
His name is Eric P u s e y.
#8 Jan 14, 2011
The Political Implosion of Sarah Palin
Andy Ostroy.Political & pop culture analyst
Posted: January 13, 2011 11:50 AM
The takeaway from President Obama's brilliant, poignant speech at Wednesday night's memorial at the University of Arizona in Tucson was, "We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us." The tone of his message, his raw emotion, the compassion for the victims and their families, and the genuine concern he showed for the nation exemplified great leadership, and was in stark contrast to the bizarre, self-serving video that his potential 2012 opponent, Sarah Palin, released earlier in the day.
"At a time when our discourse has become so sharply polarized - at a time when we are far too eager to lay the blame for all that ails the world at the feet of those who think differently than we do - it's important for us to pause for a moment and make sure that we are talking with each other in a way that heals, not a way that wounds," the president said.
To be sure, the 2012 presidential election will indeed be about healing. There'll be much focus on how Obama united the nation in the aftermath of Jared Loughner's murderous rampage, and how Palin's true character prevented her from doing the same. It it is precisely this sanctimonious, defiant and soulless video sermon that history will one day point to as the end of her legitimate political career.
Palin was right about one thing: it's unfair and inaccurate to blame her toxic political rhetoric for the Tucson shooting. But this week she quite foolishly and voluntarily gave us something we can 100% blame her for. Her behavior, tone and overall message in the video was beyond comprehension. Not only does it demonstrate a pathological narcissism, but a supreme ignorance of history (the unfortunate "Blood Libel" reference); a shocking lack of empathy, sensitivity and compassion; a reprehensible use of the words "blood," "pistols" and "shooting" to accent her points; and outrageously offensive timing in terms of releasing it on the same day as the memorial. One has to ask, just what on Earth was she thinking? Did she really expect this 8-minute diatribe to show humility and repair her image? To help heal a shocked and grieving nation?
Over the past three years, many have suggested that Palin's odd behavior and statements constitutes a train wreck. But in a train wreck there first needs to be the actual crash. To date, despite moments of near-derailment, Palin's stayed on track. But with this video she has finally crashed, and crashed for good. She cannot and will not recover from this politically. Oh sure, she will continue to be a national hero to the ravenous, ignorant right-wing fringe crazies who account for a minuscule percentage of the Republican Party, but on a serious national level, as a presidential candidate, she just imploded.
#9 Jan 14, 2011
Andy Ostrich Head in george soros sand box
AKA progressive Minnesotas "lap dog"
The implosion is closing in on ewe and your fellow socialists that have basically pissed the country off with your massive hate topics.
Lay down by your dish Lap dog your socialist whine and constant barking is annoying Now "SIT" dammmit.
#10 Jan 14, 2011
Conservatives try to defend Bachmann's rhetoric
by: The Big E
Fri Jan 14, 2011 at 18:00:00 PM CST
-- Defending the indefensible is tough --
Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) is under the spotlight nationally for her violent rhetoric. Many on the left are criticizing the tone that she and many others use. Paul Krugman is the latest in his column for the NY Times.
Where's that toxic rhetoric coming from? Let's not make a false pretense of balance: it's coming, overwhelmingly, from the right. It's hard to imagine a Democratic member of Congress urging constituents to be "armed and dangerous" without being ostracized; but Representative Michele Bachmann, who did just that, is a rising star in the G.O.P.
Bachmann's conservative defenders weren't going to let this slight pass. They called Krugman of all kinds of unmentionable things, but the only substantial accusation is he took her out of context.
Her defenders aren't the sharpest spoons in the knife drawer. Here's the entire context:
But you can get all the latest information on this event, this ... a must-go-to event with this Chris Horner. People will learn ... it will be fascinating. We met with Chris Horner last week, 20 members of Congress. It takes a lot to wow members of Congress after a while. This wowed them. And I am going to have materials for people when they leave. I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back. Thomas Jefferson told us, having a revolution every now and then is a good thing, and the people--we the people--are going to have to fight back hard if we're not going to lose our country. And I think this has the potential of changing the dynamic of freedom forever in the United States and that's why I want everyone to come out and hear. So go to bachmann.house.gov and you can get all the information.
So wait -- your defense of Bachmann is that, in the context of urging her followers to be "armed and dangerous," she immediately proceeded to extol the benefits of armed revolution? This is supposed to be exculpatory? I think it's a perfect example of the right's hysteria directly legitimizing violence.
#11 Jan 14, 2011
BIG Embellishment is doing piece work, The less he posts the more peace we have from this little george soros robot.
#12 Jan 14, 2011
On Guns: Tucson Shows Two Visions of America
Dennis A. Henigan.Brady Center Vice President and Author of "Lethal Logic"
Posted: January 14, 2011 11:41 AM
The gun issue confronts us with two competing visions of America. The Tucson tragedy puts those visions in stark, clarifying relief.
The gun lobby's vision is guns in every corner of American society. The National Rifle Association wants guns in more American homes. It wants more guns on the streets, in grocery stores, in restaurants, in coffee houses, in bars, in churches, at workplaces, at political events, and on college campuses. Guns everywhere, to deter criminals from attacking and to shoot back when they do.
Arizona is fast becoming the quintessential realization of this vision. Arizona has virtually no restrictions on guns (the Brady Center gives it 2 points out of a possible 100 in its state law ratings) and the state recently became the third state to allow people to carry concealed weapons in public places without a permit. The state also recently allowed concealed carriers to take their guns into bars.
Have weak gun laws made Arizonans safer? The state ranks 6th in the nation in gun deaths. FBI data indicates it ranks 13th in homicides per 100,000 population. Arizona criminals don't appear to be cowering in fear of armed, law-abiding citizens. Arizona also has become a favorite source of lethal weaponry for the Mexican drug cartels. Three Arizona gun dealers are among the top 12 American dealers in supplying Mexican crime guns.
Indeed, Arizona's gun laws are so non-existent that it was entirely legal for Jared Loughner to be carrying his Glock outside that Tucson Safeway up until the moment he pulled the trigger. He actually was one of the "law-abiding citizens" the NRA thinks is making us safer by carrying concealed weapons where we live, work and shop. If Loughner's community college, which expelled him because he was thought too dangerous to be in class, had reported his behavior to the Tucson police, Arizona law allowed them to do nothing to prevent him from carrying a concealed weapon.
All those Arizonans packing heat did not prevent the carnage in Tucson. There was, in fact, a law-abiding citizen with a gun on the scene at that Safeway. He told Ed Schultz he got to the shooter after someone else had grabbed the gun from the shooter's hands and he initially thought the hero was the shooter. In the NRA's America, where everyone has a gun, it is tough to tell the good guys from the bad.
Most Americans support a very different vision of America. It is a nation that allows responsible citizens to have guns in the home for self-defense, but imposes reasonable restrictions on guns to make it harder for dangerous people to be armed. In this America, a Jared Loughner would not be permitted to legally carry a gun to a Tucson Safeway. And he would not have available to him ammunition magazines that allowed him to fire over 30 shots from a semi-automatic without the need to reload, firepower that one law enforcement official has said "increased the lethality and body count of this attack."
#13 Jan 14, 2011
Dennis A, hennegun
The promotor of Brady bunch second amendment hate speech
Denny is so pleased at the tragic things that happened in Tucson saturday, Denny was waiting for a good crisis so he could immideiatly take advantage of the crisis.
Well denny You have shown the true colors of an anti patriot and total disregard for human life to promote anti gun rheortic
Now go tell your kids what a nice daddy they have and how he contributes to the worsenment of America
#14 Jan 14, 2011
Bachmann campaign manager Parrish proposed a "womb tax" to curb abortion; wrote that "life for the left begins at taxation"You can tell a lot about a person by the people they associate themselves with.
In the case of Michele Bachmann, we can tell a lot about her by the person she hired to run her campaign, Andy Parrish. Through the immense help of a source at UW-River Falls, Parrish's alma mater, I have obtained a stack of materials pertaining to Parrish's days on campus, which were filled with controversy, to say the least.
I will be writing about Parrish more in the upcoming weeks. Suffice it to say that there's enough here to keep me entertained for a looooong time.
Parrish wrote columns for the UWRF student newspaper, The Student Voice, for at least the 2003-2004 school year. Unfortunately, the newspaper's online archive only dates to October, 2004, but I have photocopies of some of his columns from the newspaper archives at River Falls. Once I get access to a scanner, I will post images of the columns so that you can all enjoy them as much as I have. The following are excerpts from a column Parrish wrote on November 21st, 2003, entitled "Left might think right with womb tax."
I have come to the conclusion that, for [liberals] life does not begin at conception, life for the left begins at taxation... Since liberals believe that life does not begin until they can tax you, I thought it my duty to educate [them.]
Parrish then proceeds to give readers advice on how to "be your own abortionist" (direct quote) and gives an extremely graphic description of a home abortion.(Isn't this an argument for legal and safe abortions?) He then continues,
Some people argue that this new partial birth abortion ban takes away their right to play God and choose who lives and dies based on convenience. I have this to say to the anti-life crowd. I am not taking away anyone's choice over their own reproductive life. They already chose when they engaged in sexual intercourse. Here is my solution to this life debacle.
If we tax the baby--we'll say property tax--for occupying the mother's womb, the left will fight to keep the baby alive instead of fighting to abort it. Then they can receive more money for-we'll say education beacuse there isn't enough spent there already--then maybe, just maybe, the left would acknowledge the fact that this fetus is more than just a fetus: It is a human life.
If you still want to try partial birth abortions on your own, happy abortioning. Support our troops, support our president and have a great conservative day.
His trademark is ending every column with the "have a great conservative day" line.
I also have a page of letters to the editor criticizing Parrish's insensitive, inaccurate, and inflammatory column. I will quote one of the letters:
This article is more of a shallow attack and a cheap attempt to demonize liberals at the expense of a valid issue. Your points about taxing the baby to get liberal support are about as dumb as saying [R]epublicans would support it if they got a tax break... When given a chance to provide a piece on why we need to deal with these issues, Andy chose instead rhetoric and baseless attacks. Talking about what type of limits for the life and health of the mother would have been a far better issue.
Hmm... rhetoric and baseless attacks rather than an attempt to deal with the issues? That description also fits Andy's boss, Michele Bachmann, to a T.
So, where does Michele Bachmann stand on the "womb tax" that her campaign manager proposed less than three years ago?
Keep checking back for more Andy Parrish Antics.
#15 Jan 14, 2011
NY Times Columnist Paul Krugman Cites Bachmann's Toxic Rhetoric
Where’s that toxic rhetoric coming from? Let’s not make a false pretense of balance: it’s coming, overwhelmingly, from the right. It’s hard to imagine a Democratic member of Congress urging constituents to be “armed and dangerous” without being ostracized; but Representative Michele Bachmann, who did just that, is a rising star in the G.O.P.
Yup, Bachmann's "base" just loves it when the "The Sarah Palin of the lower 48" talks about "guns and babies":
#16 Jan 14, 2011
It is funny that Ellison would condemn violence when he has ties to Muslim terrorists. It is stupid to blame words and guns for some idiot killing people, how about blame the killer.
#17 Jan 14, 2011
You show your lack of intelligence with your lack of comprehension of the English language and the fallacies that you spew.
“I am always right.”
Since: Oct 09
Former MN Taxpayer
#18 Jan 15, 2011
I take exception to you saying Bachmann influences anything. According to Lefties all over, she is a nut job from a tiny rural District in a State that is part of fly over land.
Now when the Leader of the Free World, President Barack Obama, says: "“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said in Philadelphia.“Because from what I understand, folks in Philly like a good brawl." THAT is when people listen.
Who has more impact? The nut job on the Right? Or the Leader of the Free World who happens to be a Leftie?
#19 Jan 15, 2011
So at least we can all agree that Ellison is an over-the-top liberal idiot has has no business being in public office save his rabid support by lefty extremists and public dole rummaging hogs.
Saint Paul, MN
#20 Jan 15, 2011
Quit being defensive and learn from others' mistakes. Simply don't say anything about an opponent that will kill your career if some kook assassinates your opponent.
Part of being a politician is being careful of what one says. Pawlenty has learned this, Bachmann has not, and Ellison is somewhere in between. Even Obama slips up now and then.
#21 Jan 15, 2011
Glenn Beck's Campaign Against Frances Fox Piven
As discussion about whether violent rhetoric influenced the shooting in Arizona this past weekend continues, Frances Fox Piven—professor, Nation writer and author, most recently, of Challenging Authority: How Ordinary People Change America—joined Democracy Now! to talk about Glenn Beck’s suggestion that she has plotted violent overthrow of the US government, bears responsibility for the financial crisis and is comparable to the right-wing Hutaree militia.
Piven says that “right wing operatives” recently visited her home to interview her for a video that would be part of their “term paper." The "operatives" turned out to both be individuals working for Andrew Breitbart’s blog. According to Piven, Beck “picked” her (and her late husband, Richard Cloward) because she wrote “a little article” for The Nation last year talking about the problems in organizing the unemployed, so the unemployed can have an impact in American politics.
“Unnerved” by these Beckheads but not “afraid,” Piven concludes that Glenn Beck does not deserve to be singled out. For Piven, Rupert Murdoch has done much more to create an atmosphere in which Beck's rhetoric is accepted, and has taken advantage of the tragedy "to create a demonology in which it is the left, the Democratic left, that is the source of many of our troubles.”
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