St. Clair County Jail installs new po...

St. Clair County Jail installs new policy for religious diets

There are 15 comments on the Michigan Radio story from Feb 21, 2014, titled St. Clair County Jail installs new policy for religious diets. In it, Michigan Radio reports that:

Until now, inmates who wanted religious diets were required to pass a written exam that tested their knowledge of their faith.

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Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#1 Feb 23, 2014
They should be doing medical experiments and harvesting organs from these scumbags. They are criminals. Screw their "religion".

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#2 Feb 23, 2014
Give em bread and water like the sheriff does out in Arizona.
Troubadour

Red Jacket, WV

#3 Feb 23, 2014
And all pink.
DrBen

Québec, Canada

#4 Feb 23, 2014
The sad thing about the idea of a knowledge test to determine "islamicity" is that it says more about the ignorance of those who designed the test than it says about prisoners who ask for halal meals.

If a person recites aloud with apparent sincerity the words:

la alaha illa Allah wa Muhammad rasoul Allah
(There is no divinity but God and Muhammad is a prophet of God)

that person is a Muslim and will be recognized as such in every mosque and by every Muslim on the face of the earth.

Jewish prisoners have been requesting and receiving kosher meals for generations. Why is there no movement by authorities to restrict that practice. Halal and kosher are very similar but in fact the rules for kosher food are much stricter than the Muslim rules for halal food.

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#5 Feb 23, 2014
If they don't like prison food, then they shouldn't be breaking the laws.
JizzzLam

Manchester, UK

#6 Feb 23, 2014
No doubt some muslim prisoners are banging each others batty holes.

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#7 Feb 23, 2014
DrBen wrote:
The sad thing about the idea of a knowledge test to determine "islamicity" is that it says more about the ignorance of those who designed the test than it says about prisoners who ask for halal meals.
If a person recites aloud with apparent sincerity the words:
la alaha illa Allah wa Muhammad rasoul Allah
(There is no divinity but God and Muhammad is a prophet of God)
that person is a Muslim and will be recognized as such in every mosque and by every Muslim on the face of the earth.
Jewish prisoners have been requesting and receiving kosher meals for generations. Why is there no movement by authorities to restrict that practice. Halal and kosher are very similar but in fact the rules for kosher food are much stricter than the Muslim rules for halal food.
Another example of islamic hypocrisy. You all keep telling us that islamic terrorists aren't 'really' muslims. Unless it fits your propaganda...

You can't have it both ways.
Bombardier

Charlestown, IN

#8 Feb 23, 2014
Let them eat bullets.
DrBen

Québec, Canada

#9 Feb 23, 2014
Ravenclaw wrote:
<quoted text>
Another example of islamic hypocrisy. You all keep telling us that islamic terrorists aren't 'really' muslims. Unless it fits your propaganda...
You can't have it both ways.
Of course Islamic terrorists are Muslims. They are bad Muslims, often misguided by leaders who should know better. Italian Mafia murderers get Catholic funerals because, in spite of their crimes (and sins), they are still Christians--but certainly not saints to be emulated.

Terrorist Hindu groups in India are still Hindus in spite of their actions, and Zionist terrorists could aided the cause of Zionism and the creation of the state of Israel were Jews in spite of their bombs that killed both Palestinians and Jews.

The point is not that Islamic terrorists are not Muslims; they are. The point is that they are NOT examples of those who practice orthodox Islam. A rotten apple is still an apple until its "appleness" is no longer in any way recognizable. The other apples in the barrel should not have to pay the price of the rotten apple's corruption and decay.

One of the sad features of modern society is the growth of Manicheism (radical dualism). I call it the Cowboy Philospophy. Eveything is black or white, good or evil, light or dark. The good guys wear white hats and the bad guys wear black hats. We are good; they are bad. There is no continuum that allows for shades of goodness and badness.

That kind of blind extremism, whether practised by Muslims or Christians or anyone else is a one-way ticket to personal and societal hatred and violence.

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#10 Feb 23, 2014
DrBen wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course Islamic terrorists are Muslims. They are bad Muslims, often misguided by leaders who should know better. Italian Mafia murderers get Catholic funerals because, in spite of their crimes (and sins), they are still Christians--but certainly not saints to be emulated.
Terrorist Hindu groups in India are still Hindus in spite of their actions, and Zionist terrorists could aided the cause of Zionism and the creation of the state of Israel were Jews in spite of their bombs that killed both Palestinians and Jews.
The point is not that Islamic terrorists are not Muslims; they are. The point is that they are NOT examples of those who practice orthodox Islam. A rotten apple is still an apple until its "appleness" is no longer in any way recognizable. The other apples in the barrel should not have to pay the price of the rotten apple's corruption and decay.
One of the sad features of modern society is the growth of Manicheism (radical dualism). I call it the Cowboy Philospophy. Eveything is black or white, good or evil, light or dark. The good guys wear white hats and the bad guys wear black hats. We are good; they are bad. There is no continuum that allows for shades of goodness and badness.
That kind of blind extremism, whether practised by Muslims or Christians or anyone else is a one-way ticket to personal and societal hatred and violence.
Save your hyperbole and propaganda for someone dumb enough to buy it. There have been 5 islamic terror attacks every single day since 9-11-01. 5 terror attacks in the world, every single day.

The saving grace - muslims are mostly killing other muslims. Bonus!

That's islam. A violent political ideology, created to oppress and control masses of uneducated savages.

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#11 Feb 23, 2014
DrBen wrote:
That kind of blind extremism, whether practised by Muslims or Christians or anyone else is a one-way ticket to personal and societal hatred and violence.
"That kind of blind extremism" is only perpetrated by Muslims...
DrBen

Québec, Canada

#12 Feb 23, 2014
Ravenclaw wrote:
<quoted text>
Save your hyperbole and propaganda for someone dumb enough to buy it. There have been 5 islamic terror attacks every single day since 9-11-01. 5 terror attacks in the world, every single day.
How many non-Islamic attacks occurred during the same period? According to the Global Terrorism Database maintained by the University of Maryland, the total number of attacks per day, worldwide, from 2001 to 2012 was 9.4.
http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/

If your number of 5 Islamic terror attacks per day is correct (and I don't know), then that was about half the total. Using your figure, it appears that a similar number of non-Islamic attacks were carried out.

Perhaps you should expand your survey to include non-Islamic terrorist attacks.

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#13 Feb 23, 2014
DrBen wrote:
<quoted text>
How many non-Islamic attacks occurred during the same period? According to the Global Terrorism Database maintained by the University of Maryland, the total number of attacks per day, worldwide, from 2001 to 2012 was 9.4.
http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/
If your number of 5 Islamic terror attacks per day is correct (and I don't know), then that was about half the total. Using your figure, it appears that a similar number of non-Islamic attacks were carried out.
Perhaps you should expand your survey to include non-Islamic terrorist attacks.
Can you give us their definition as to what constitutes a "terrorist attack"? And some examples of non-Islamic attacks? I don't have the capability to thoroughly search your link.

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#14 Feb 23, 2014
DrBen wrote:
<quoted text>
How many non-Islamic attacks occurred during the same period? According to the Global Terrorism Database maintained by the University of Maryland, the total number of attacks per day, worldwide, from 2001 to 2012 was 9.4.
http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/
If your number of 5 Islamic terror attacks per day is correct (and I don't know), then that was about half the total. Using your figure, it appears that a similar number of non-Islamic attacks were carried out.
Perhaps you should expand your survey to include non-Islamic terrorist attacks.
I just spent time reading your link, the frequently asked questions to be specific. I'll assume you didn't bother to read that, and not that you are being deliberately misleading.

For instance:
In the absence of a universally accepted definition of terrorism, GTD uses several coded criteria to cover a broad range of definitions of terrorism through a combination of inclusiveness and filtering. The goal is to have a data set that is useful to as many interested users as possible.
~~~

In other words, they have broadened the definition of terrorism to include as many incidents as possible. By their own admission, their numbers will be higher.

Also:
Although the GTD does include failed attacks, it does not include foiled or failed plots, the distinction being that the attack must actually be attempted to qualify for inclusion in the database. Likewise, the GTD does include attacks in which violence is threatened as a means of coercion, but does not include threats to attack where no action is taken.
~~~

My numbers do not include failed attacks, only completed successful attacks. Therefore, I must thank you. You have proven that islamic terror attacks are an even worse problem.

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#15 Feb 23, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
<quoted text>Can you give us their definition as to what constitutes a "terrorist attack"? And some examples of non-Islamic attacks? I don't have the capability to thoroughly search your link.
The frequently asked questions link will answer those questions, as well as the origination of the study.

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