MSU poll: Gay marriage gaining suppor...

MSU poll: Gay marriage gaining support in Michigan

There are 14 comments on the Lansing State Journal story from Nov 27, 2012, titled MSU poll: Gay marriage gaining support in Michigan. In it, Lansing State Journal reports that:

A Michigan State University poll has found an increase in support for gay marriage in Michigan, with 56 percent of adults questioned saying they support the same-sex unions.

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David

Houston, TX

#1 Nov 27, 2012
A month ago we would have had to listen to the trolls tell us how these polls were inaccurate and every time "the only poll that really matters - a vote" occurred, the good wholesome people of the U.S. of A. always supported the god-given definition of marriage being ONLY between one man and one woman.
Oh how much can change in such a short period of time. I wonder what lies they'll spread now?(I also wonder if we are now the ones in for a long winning streak at the voting box?)

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#2 Nov 27, 2012
Michigan is in the rustbelt, and is not a state too many people want to live in. It's the only state in the union that lost population in the past 10 years.

And Detroit is one of the worst and most dangerous cities in the U.S. Entire neighborhoods are being bulldozed and left to nature to take over.

Since: May 12

Livonia, MI

#4 Nov 28, 2012
Fa-Foxy wrote:
Michigan is in the rustbelt, and is not a state too many people want to live in. It's the only state in the union that lost population in the past 10 years.
And Detroit is one of the worst and most dangerous cities in the U.S. Entire neighborhoods are being bulldozed and left to nature to take over.
I live in the Detroit area, and, while we are definitely feeling the pain from our struggling economy, it is not a wasteland. We have a vibrant art scene, both in and outside of the city limits of Detroit. We are developing light rail systems to be more in touch with the 21st century. There is real estate development going on downtown. We are a major gateway to Canada - with another bridge in the works.
So, while we may be down, we are not out. Now, if we could get rid of all the republican riff-raff in our state government, then we can really move ahead and get Detroit, and Michigan, further on the road to recovery.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#5 Nov 28, 2012
DragonHung wrote:
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I live in the Detroit area, and, while we are definitely feeling the pain from our struggling economy, it is not a wasteland. We have a vibrant art scene, both in and outside of the city limits of Detroit. We are developing light rail systems to be more in touch with the 21st century. There is real estate development going on downtown. We are a major gateway to Canada - with another bridge in the works.
So, while we may be down, we are not out. Now, if we could get rid of all the republican riff-raff in our state government, then we can really move ahead and get Detroit, and Michigan, further on the road to recovery.
Don't even bother. Fafoxy only believes a state is worthwhile if he can move to a place were there are no Catholics, Democrats, African-Americans, and Jews. He's very well-rounded in his bigotry.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#6 Nov 28, 2012
RalphB wrote:
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Don't even bother. Fafoxy only believes a state is worthwhile if he can move to a place were there are no Catholics, Democrats, African-Americans, and Jews. He's very well-rounded in his bigotry.
Actually, I don't think he hates African-Americans. Just the other three.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#7 Nov 28, 2012
JohnInToronto wrote:
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Actually, I don't think he hates African-Americans. Just the other three.
I guess that could be true. It's hard to keep track of how many groups he hates.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#8 Nov 28, 2012
DragonHung wrote:
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I live in the Detroit area, and, while we are definitely feeling the pain from our struggling economy, it is not a wasteland. We have a vibrant art scene, both in and outside of the city limits of Detroit. We are developing light rail systems to be more in touch with the 21st century. There is real estate development going on downtown. We are a major gateway to Canada - with another bridge in the works.
So, while we may be down, we are not out. Now, if we could get rid of all the republican riff-raff in our state government, then we can really move ahead and get Detroit, and Michigan, further on the road to recovery.
Detroit in the US and Windsor in Canada (along with other towns like Flint, MI and Sarnia, ON) need more that arts and culture. They need to plan for the fact that the area will BE down and out for the span of a generation, than retrain that upcoming generation to do something other than putting cars together. Windsor made some progress in keeping itself going by attracting retirees. But in order to do that a place cannot have a high crime rate. The Detroit-Windsor area has a great geographical location but will only succeed again if it can attract new value-added industries and retain smart and well-educated residents.

This is not just a criticism of the US. Up here, Canada has failed miserably for years at keepings its best and brightest in the country and at supporting research and development. While unionized workers in the US and Ontario lamented losing manufacturing jobs, Canada has relied on its huge raw material resources to keep it going, often at the expense of the environment. We can thank Stephen Harper for that.

What does the United States do best, other than have the biggest military? It is ranked very low among developed nations in basic education, healthcare, etc. and very high in unequal distribution of wealth. But it has two things going for it: top-notch technical / scientific / economic universities (MIT, CalTech, Harvard, and the University of Chicago) and a history of innovation. In those areas it probably leads the world (despite the fact that Americans like to brag that they invented things which were actually invented elsewhere, like the light bulb and the steam boat). The problem is that these things do not affect or help every region in it and Michigan is one area that has not been helped.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#9 Nov 28, 2012
"history of innovation"

I should have qualified this by saying "a history of technological innovation and entrepreneurialsim." Otherwise people will correctly point out that the US does not lead in social innovation.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#10 Nov 28, 2012
Fa-Foxy wrote:
Michigan is in the rustbelt, and is not a state too many people want to live in. It's the only state in the union that lost population in the past 10 years.
And Detroit is one of the worst and most dangerous cities in the U.S. Entire neighborhoods are being bulldozed and left to nature to take over.
There's a lot more to Michigan than Detroit. I've lived here 10 years and have been to Detroit only twice. But then I'm not much of a city person. I prefer the lakes & woods, and the cheap cost of living. I bought a 10 acre farm for less than $75k and pay only $400/year in property taxes.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#11 Nov 28, 2012
As for marriage equality, I have to admit I found the poll suprising. Michigan is quite conservative outside the cities; only the counties containing Lansing & Ann Arbor voted against the amendment in 2004.

Since the republicans control our legislature, the only way to get rid of the ban is by another initiative. I haven't heard anyone working on that yet, but maybe this poll will push the issue forward for 2016.

Since: Oct 10

San Francisco

#12 Nov 28, 2012
JohnInToronto wrote:
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Actually, I don't think he hates African-Americans. Just the other three.
Well he certainly hated them when he was "Daniel P from Long Island." I doubt he's changed much, at least not for the better.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#13 Nov 28, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
As for marriage equality, I have to admit I found the poll suprising. Michigan is quite conservative outside the cities; only the counties containing Lansing & Ann Arbor voted against the amendment in 2004.
Since the republicans control our legislature, the only way to get rid of the ban is by another initiative. I haven't heard anyone working on that yet, but maybe this poll will push the issue forward for 2016.
Apart from social conservatism, how about the Yoopers? I had heard many of the Finns up there used to be communists which one would think would make them economically left-wing. I always thought the hotbed of Republican shit in Michigan was the southwestern part where all those stupid Dutch Calvinists are.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#14 Nov 28, 2012
JohnInToronto wrote:
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Apart from social conservatism, how about the Yoopers? I had heard many of the Finns up there used to be communists which one would think would make them economically left-wing. I always thought the hotbed of Republican shit in Michigan was the southwestern part where all those stupid Dutch Calvinists are.
The southwest is the base for the anti-gay religious nutjobs, but unfortunately they've spread throughout the state. Even most of the Democratic politicians here are anti-abortion & anti-gay.

Ironically our only chance for marriage equality will be if we put it to a vote of the people in 2016.

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#19 Nov 29, 2012
Booooo! Down with gay "marriage".

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