Poll: Support for gay marriage drops in Mich.

There are 20 comments on the May 28, 2014, Wausau Daily Herald story titled Poll: Support for gay marriage drops in Mich.. In it, Wausau Daily Herald reports that:

April DeBoer of Hazel Park, Mich., holds her daughter Ryanne DeBoer-Rowse, 1, as her partner Jayne Rowse holds son Jacob DeBoer-Rowse, 2, and April's mother Wendy DeBoer holds Nolan DeBoer, Rowse, 2, after making a statement during a press conference Monday.

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DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#42 Jun 1, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Meaningless. If there was one but now there's two the number doubled.
WTF?
Phyllis Schlafly s Stain

Philadelphia, PA

#43 Jun 1, 2014
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>yup
"EPIC-MRA of Lansing, found that if a vote on allowing same-sex marriage in Michigan were held today, 47% would vote yes and 46% would vote no. The remaining 7% were either undecided or refused to say.
When EPIC-MRA asked Michiganders about same-sex marriage in May 2013, 51% said they supported it and 41% said they were opposed. Both polls sampled 600 likely voters and had margins of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points."
To be honest it doesn't surprise me Topix ran this story.
In addition I think you are a very disingenuous person.

You were arguing that the poll reported on here was not significant.

I say it is, since even if it gave unchanged results that would still amount to a lagging indicator as far as Michigan goes.

You did not just say that one state has marriage equality and another does not.

You got upset at my correct characterization of Michigan as lagging, and then tried to suggest that PA is similar or worse. That is not factual. PA, with all its hillbillies and fundies, is in this area ahead of Michigan.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#44 Jun 2, 2014
Phyllis Schlafly s Stain wrote:
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In addition I think you are a very disingenuous person.
You were arguing that the poll reported on here was not significant.
I say it is, since even if it gave unchanged results that would still amount to a lagging indicator as far as Michigan goes.
You did not just say that one state has marriage equality and another does not.
You got upset at my correct characterization of Michigan as lagging, and then tried to suggest that PA is similar or worse. That is not factual. PA, with all its hillbillies and fundies, is in this area ahead of Michigan.
On the contrary I was not trying to pass a negative judgement on PA; in fact, I was attempting to praise PA for seeing the futility of fighting SSM cases.

Yes the poll isn't that significant statistically, but I have to admit you are correct that it does indicate something of a lag in interest. Thank you for pointing out my error in that and in allowing me to your misjudgment of my characterization of PA. Though I never lived there I did reside in DE and MD for some time and really miss the area. And have a niece and other family around Philly area.

In any case my apologies for the misunderstanding here.

Namaste
scs2011

Eastpointe, MI

#45 Dec 22, 2014
4% of population is gay non issue
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-con...

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#46 Dec 22, 2014
scs2011 wrote:
4% of population is gay non issue
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-con...
There's never been a census of gays & lesbians in America, so any numbers being reported are just estimates at best.

Hopefully the 2020 census will include a question on sexual orientation, but even then many people may be wary of self-identifying as gay or lesbian on a government census.

From my decades of personal experience, I still think the number is closer to 10% gay & lesbian, with an additional 10%-20% bisexual.
scs2011

Philadelphia, PA

#47 Dec 22, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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There's never been a census of gays & lesbians in America, so any numbers being reported are just estimates at best.
Hopefully the 2020 census will include a question on sexual orientation, but even then many people may be wary of self-identifying as gay or lesbian on a government census.
From my decades of personal experience, I still think the number is closer to 10% gay & lesbian, with an additional 10%-20% bisexual.
I can see 10% but 30 is a little high

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#48 Dec 22, 2014
scs2011 wrote:
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I can see 10% but 30 is a little high
That would be including bisexuals, which are even harder to count that strictly gay or lesbian.

Maybe in another 50 years no one will care anymore.

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#49 Dec 23, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
From my decades of personal experience, I still think the number is closer to 10% gay & lesbian, with an additional 10%-20% bisexual.
Ha-ha!! You wish!!

It's more like a fraction of a percent.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#50 Dec 23, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
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Ha-ha!! You wish!!
It's more like a fraction of a percent.
Take any randomly selected group of ten people, and I bet there's one gay or lesbian amongst them.

That would be 10%.

Either way, what difference does it make to you?

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#51 Dec 23, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Take any randomly selected group of ten people, and I bet there's one gay or lesbian amongst them.
That would be 10%.
Either way, what difference does it make to you?
Ha-ha!!! Not even close. Maybe in California you might get odds around that number because they're all nuts out there, but here in the Midwest you'd be lucky to find one homosexual in 100.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#52 Dec 23, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
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Ha-ha!!! Not even close. Maybe in California you might get odds around that number because they're all nuts out there, but here in the Midwest you'd be lucky to find one homosexual in 100.
You obviously don't get out much.

I spent 20+ years in the military, and even with a official ban on gays serving I could easily pick out at least one gay guy in just about every group of 10.

I currently live outside a small town (pop ~2000) in Michigan, and there is 1 other gay couple and 1 lesbian couple (that I know of) out of the 2 dozen neighbors nearest to me. So that makes a total of 3 same-sex couples out of 24 households.

But again, what difference does it make to you whether it's 1% or 10% of the population which is gay or lesbian? Are you worried you won't have enough people to hate?

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#53 Dec 23, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
Are you worried you won't have enough people to hate?
Never said I harbored "hate" towards gays. That's just always your side's assumption. Quite the contrary actually. More dudes that are into other dudes means more available ladies for the Sneakster :)

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#54 Dec 23, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
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Never said I harbored "hate" towards gays. That's just always your side's assumption. Quite the contrary actually. More dudes that are into other dudes means more available ladies for the Sneakster :)
And yet you seem intent on minimizing the number of gays & lesbians.

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#55 Dec 23, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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And yet you seem intent on minimizing the number of gays & lesbians.
That's because I live in reality and not a "perceived reality".

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#56 Dec 23, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
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That's because I live in reality and not a "perceived reality".


Still doesn't explain why you attempt to minimize the number of gays & lesbians.

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#57 Dec 23, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Still doesn't explain why you attempt to minimize the number of gays & lesbians.
Sure it does. The number of homosexuals is far less than your outrageous claim. You see, we conservatives deal in reality, as opposed to liberals like you that create their own reality to support what they'd like reality to be.
scs2011

Philadelphia, PA

#58 Dec 23, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
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Sure it does. The number of homosexuals is far less than your outrageous claim. You see, we conservatives deal in reality, as opposed to liberals like you that create their own reality to support what they'd like reality to be.
The 4%ers
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#59 Dec 24, 2014
Holy Silicon Wafer wrote:
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What unintended consequences?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#60 Dec 24, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
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Sure it does. The number of homosexuals is far less than your outrageous claim. You see, we conservatives deal in reality, as opposed to liberals like you that create their own reality to support what they'd like reality to be.
So you have census data which indicates the number of gays & lesbians? Funny, I must have missed that question on the 2010 census.

You have your view, and I have mine.

Since gays & lesbians are much more likely to be open around other gays & lesbians, my view is much more likely to be accurate than a guess from some anti-gay.

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#61 Dec 24, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
Since gays & lesbians are much more likely to be open around other gays & lesbians, my view is much more likely to be accurate than a guess from some anti-gay.
Never said I was "anti-gay". Again, that's your inaccurate assumption.

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