Hopes high for Md. smoking ban

Full story: Worcester County Messenger

For the third straight year lawmakers in the Maryland General Assembly have introduced legislation to ban smoking in bars and restaurants and establishment owners -- and legislators -- say chances of it ...
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Carol

Carlisle, PA

#1 Feb 10, 2006
Beware if they tell you that you can not smoke in bars next it will be you can not drink. I am tired of being told what I can and can not do. I think as a smoker I have rights to. Being a smoker does not make me a bad person. Most of my friends smoke and it will make a difference in where and what we do and it won't be in Ocean City.
Kenn - Baltimore MD

Washington, DC

#2 Feb 10, 2006
I agree.. I can understand not smoking in a restaurant but in a bar come on.. It will definitely affect the bottom line of every establishment.. If you can't smoke in a bar the smokers will hang out somewhere else and that is a definite loss in revenues.. The positive thing would be the bars would be empty..
Snow Hill Local

Annapolis, MD

#3 Feb 10, 2006
Yes, but when you smoke, I'm forced to inhale your nasty smelling air if I'm near you.

When I drink, I don't pee on you and your clothes.

When I go to a restaurant, I want to enjoy the flavor and smell of my meal. Most restaurants are not setup to keep the smokers air out of the non-smoking section.
Dave

Washington, DC

#4 Feb 11, 2006
Cigarette smoke, bus exhaust, cheap perfume- all are rude things to pour into a public place and subject innocent bystanders to. Cigarette smoke is by far the most toxic- the residue alone has measurable amounts of cyanide. Don't want that in my scotch or in my hair. As a vascular specialist who works with stroke and aneurysm patients, I can say that most of my business is fueled by the effects of cigarette smoke. Be glad they haven't made cigarettes illegal- there is far more compelling evidence to do so than there was for heroin or pot or LSD. Smoking cigarettes is stupid and all of my patients who haven't died yet will tell you so.
Dave

Washington, DC

#5 Feb 11, 2006
Kenn - Baltimore MD wrote:
I agree.. I can understand not smoking in a restaurant but in a bar come on.. It will definitely affect the bottom line of every establishment.. If you can't smoke in a bar the smokers will hang out somewhere else and that is a definite loss in revenues.. The positive thing would be the bars would be empty..
Are you that blind? Cigarette smokers are an unenlightened MINORITY. A pathetic one at that. That would be wonderful if the smokers hang out somewhere else- suffocating together in self-righteousness. There would be air to breathe at the bar, and those of us who haven't destroyed our sense of taste by smoking could enjoy our drinks and each other's fresh breath. Some of us don't take breathing for granted- you shouldn't either.
Dave

Washington, DC

#6 Feb 11, 2006
Carol wrote:
Beware if they tell you that you can not smoke in bars next it will be you can not drink. I am tired of being told what I can and can not do. I think as a smoker I have rights to. Being a smoker does not make me a bad person. Most of my friends smoke and it will make a difference in where and what we do and it won't be in Ocean City.
If you are worried about rights- come hang out in the bars in Fairfax where you can have your gun with you- just like everyone else in the bar. Would you feel more comfortable there? I mean, the cigarettes are far more likely to kill you than one of those drunks with a .45, but at least you would have even more rights to exercise! While we are at it, let's make heroin and opium legal again so people can smoke that stuff at the bar also!
Freddy

Lake Mary, FL

#7 Feb 14, 2006
OC would be much better off without you smokers. Man it would be nice to go to OC and enjoy a drink, play keno,listen to some music, dance without stinking to high heaven. Without inhaling deadly fumes. I know many people that don't go into bars just because of the effects of second hand smoke. Could you imagine walking down the boardwalk without walking behind some stinky smoker. Dream about smelling the nice salty air while lying on the beach and not having some inconsiderate smoker next to you smoking away. When Phen Phen killed a few people they took it right off the market, second hand smoke kills thousands but whats done? Nothing, what gives? Smokers enjoy it while you can because someday the big tobacco companies won't be able to buy off the politicians!!! If you want to smoke and kill yourself smoke in your own house. Can you tell this is a sore subject with me. My wife feels the same way.
Bye Bye Smokers. Hopefully sooner than later!!!
Carol wrote:
Beware if they tell you that you can not smoke in bars next it will be you can not drink. I am tired of being told what I can and can not do. I think as a smoker I have rights to. Being a smoker does not make me a bad person. Most of my friends smoke and it will make a difference in where and what we do and it won't be in Ocean City.
Nicole

High Point, NC

#8 Feb 14, 2006
As a nonsmoker, I believe I have the right to eat in a restaurant without smelling your smoke. Polute yourself, not me.
Carol wrote:
Beware if they tell you that you can not smoke in bars next it will be you can not drink. I am tired of being told what I can and can not do. I think as a smoker I have rights to. Being a smoker does not make me a bad person. Most of my friends smoke and it will make a difference in where and what we do and it won't be in Ocean City.
Ken

San Diego, CA

#9 Feb 14, 2006
As a owner I could make my place a non smoking place if i like and i should also make my place a smoking establishment. The idiot that mantioned bus fumes and cars fumes and said cigerettes are the worst is crazy. lock your self in a garage with bus fumes. you will die
every day we have carbon monoxide all around us. It should be my right as a business owner to decide who can come in my joint just like its your right to stay out if you dont like it. there are some that would agree stress kills and smokeing relaxes you. go figure. every year
the foods we eat or should eat changes. this is america we are supposed to be a free nation. smoking is not illegal. stay in your bubble if you worried about what you breath.
Gary

Washington, DC

#10 Feb 15, 2006
I am a smoker, but I agree with the nonsmokers. People who choose not to smoke should not have to deal with negative health effects associated with 2nd hand smoke.

Now, the only solution to this manner would be to open bars strictly for smokers only while the rest of the establishments would follow the laws governed to them.

If a business owner wants to open a smoking restaurant, they should be allowed to. This would let the smokers be happy, and the nonsmokers would have plenty of places to go to enjoy the clean atmosphere.
Bill

Shreveport, LA

#11 Feb 17, 2006
Snow Hill Local wrote:
Yes, but when you smoke, I'm forced to inhale your nasty smelling air if I'm near you.

When I drink, I don't pee on you and your clothes.

When I go to a restaurant, I want to enjoy the flavor and smell of my meal. Most restaurants are not setup to keep the smokers air out of the non-smoking section.
You people who do not smoke think you do no wrong. Most people own some sort of pet, dog or cat and never consider that the smell of that pet, or worse yet the dander from that pet, remains on your person. No problem right? Won't cause health problems to anyone else right? WRONG! People with breathing disablilities, like my wife, have made many trips to the emergency room because of pet owners! Yes, that's right! You nasty folks kiss your pets, love all over them, let them wallow all over your clothes and furniture, and then go out into the world thinkink you are a good person because your pet is all happy and snug at home peeing all over the place. When was the last time you had to go to the emergency room because you smelled a little smoke on someone else? I don't think so. Get a life! Quit wearing so much cologne and aftershave. That iritates the hell out of me, and I hate smelling it, but should there be a law against you using it? Hell no! It's your right! After you get a life then wake up idiot! If you think it will stop here guess again! Most Americans are fat, that's right, you too are probably fat to some degree. The next thing that will occur if employers charge extra for health insurance for smoking is they are going to charge you extra for being fat! It falls right in there with smoking as a leading cause of many deadly and serious diseases. If they get away with charging smokers extra, then you are next! Get it? Are you awake yet?
Herman from Nebraska

United States

#12 Feb 17, 2006
I would like to address that woman whose dog pissed on old Bill down there by Memphis. Now, I ain't saying Bill absolutely didn't rub up again something that thru Old Roy into the frenzy where he had to hike his let, but if he ain't got no more control than that, maybe you should have him cut. Oncet the vet cut Jupiter, our black and tan coon dog, he never once went on Virgil's let like usta and he even stoppeded humping Wilma's knee. So, take it from old Herman. You let Bill smoke and he'll let the dog piss on his leg. Now, if I'm wrong, I pologize. Just my thinking this day. Cheers, Herman.
Bill

Shreveport, LA

#13 Feb 17, 2006
Herman or if you prefer, Bubba

I don't smoke, and I never have smoked. I just get sick of those who think they know everything.(kind of like you who presumes I'm a smoker right?) You're silly ass rendition of a good old boy and the fact that you can't read (I'm not from Memphis)is proof positive that you are just plain ignorant, so case closed. By the way, would you like to buy a chance on a tractor?

Bill
Polly

AOL

#14 Feb 17, 2006
I just hope you all stop smoking. I know I'm the only non-smoker who has even bothered to make a comment here, and I know it's addictive and everything, but for your own health just please stop smoking.
Bill Hannegan

New Church, VA

#15 Feb 17, 2006
We beat the St. Louis smoking ban by pushing this estimate of the dangers of secondhand smoke. For help with your ban, contact me at hanneganlounge@safeplace,net

Mayor Bloomberg Exaggerates Secondhand Smoke Risk

By Elizabeth M. Whelan, Sc.D., M.P.H.

"...it's literally true that something like a thousand people will not die each year that would have otherwise died..."

New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg, annoucing a sweeping ban on smoking in bars and restaurants, as quoted by the New York Times December 12, 2002


We are delighted that bars, restaurants, and offices in New York City are soon to be smoke-free although we do question the means (municipal legislation) used to achieve this end. But what we are not delighted with is hyperbole about the alleged health benefits of such a ban.

Who exactly are these 1,000 New Yorkers whose deaths Mayor Bloomberg claims will be prevented by his legislation?

If, as we suspect, he is referring to deaths caused by exposure to secondhand smoke in restaurants and bars, the estimate of 1,000 deaths prevented is patently absurd. Our best estimate of the number of deaths prevented is somewhere between zero and a hypothetical ten to fifteen. There is no evidence that any New Yorker patron or employee has ever died as a result of exposure to smoke in a bar or restaurant.

Secondhand smoke is annoying. It makes your clothes and hair stink and can ruin an otherwise delightful dining experience. Regular exposure to someone else's smoking (as from living in the same household as a smoker) can increase the risk of upper respiratory disease, ear infections, and, among other acute effects, asthma attacks. Theoretically, an individual with severe asthma could suffer acute, fatal attack in a smoky bar, thus the hypothetical 10-15 hypothetical deaths indicated on the upper end of our estimates.

The link between secondhand smoke and premature death, however, is a real stretch. The evidence here is far less established than are the acute effects (see the American Council on Science and Health report Environmental Tobacco Smoke: Health Risk or Health Hype?).

There are some 60,000 deaths annually in the city of New York. Public health officials estimate that one-fifth of these deaths l2,000 can be specifically and causally linked to cigarette smoking. Will Mayor Bloomberg's prohibition of smoking in bars and restaurants cause more smoking New Yorkers to kick the habit? Possibly. But even if the Mayor's estimate of 1,000 lives saved referred to deaths prevented among smokers who quit, the number is enormously inflated.

The majority of New Yorkers will welcome a smoking ban primarily for aesthetic reasons, not for health reasons.

Dr. Whelan, President of ACSH, holds doctoral and master's degrees in public health
Bill

Shreveport, LA

#16 Feb 18, 2006
Intelligent good answer Bill.

I agree that smoking in restaurants should be eliminated. I like seeing and reading all the facts you have presented also. My two main points are that people with asthma like my wife not only react to second hand smoke but even worse than this for her is animal dander. Most smokers I know are considerate enough to not smoke around her, but Animal and pet owners never ever think about the damage they can cause by being close to someone as sensitive as my wife. They handle their pets, let them wallow all over them and their clothes and then go out and rub up against the public thinking they are good people for taking such good care of their pets and loving them so much. All fine, except they don't think about others that are alergic to their pets.

The second point I tried to make is that I have read recently that insurance companies and employers are charging smokers extra for health insurance because of all the evidence about smoking and health. Over the last decade or two smokers have been easy targets. Once all the laws, taxes, and costs for smoking have been exploited do you really think it will stop there? Insurance companies and employers have one thing in mind. Saving a dollar! If they can get away with this with smokers don't you think that they will go after the second or maybe even first cause of disease and death, obesity? I don't like the smell of smoke either but I can see far enough ahead to know that the insurance companies and employers could give a rats ass about people, it's the money they care about. Look beyond the rights of the smokers being stomped on right now and envision a USA where everything you do that someone can make a buck off of will exploit it in some way.

Bill
Dave M

Denver, CO

#17 Feb 18, 2006
We are not living in the past anymore. Smoking is a dirty filthy habit that kills. Non smokers should not have to fear for their health when in any public place. As for the business owner that says he has the right to allow smoking if he likes... well you are dead wrong buddy. Get with the program. The world is now a different place. Wake up and smell the roses (unless your lungs are blackened and you've lost your senses!). ;)
james e crawford

Gwynn Oak, MD

#18 Feb 18, 2006
Freddy wrote:
OC would be much better off without you smokers. Man it would be nice to go to OC and enjoy a drink, play keno,listen to some music, dance without stinking to high heaven. Without inhaling deadly fumes. I know many people that don't go into bars just because of the effects of second hand smoke. Could you imagine walking down the boardwalk without walking behind some stinky smoker. Dream about smelling the nice salty air while lying on the beach and not having some inconsiderate smoker next to you smoking away. When Phen Phen killed a few people they took it right off the market, second hand smoke kills thousands but whats done? Nothing, what gives? Smokers enjoy it while you can because someday the big tobacco companies won't be able to buy off the politicians!!! If you want to smoke and kill yourself smoke in your own house. Can you tell this is a sore subject with me. My wife feels the same way.
Bye Bye Smokers. Hopefully sooner than later!!!

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It seems that you are a lying trouble maker who faints foul for attention!There is absolutely no scientific evidence that second hand smoke is harmful-and you cannot prove to a reasonable degree of scientific certaincy that this is incorrect!Has anyone ever told you you should learn to mind your own business?Stop obsecessing regarding others behavior!Be concerned with you and your problems!
Polly

AOL

#19 Feb 18, 2006
james e crawford wrote:
<quoted text>It seems that you are a lying trouble maker who faints foul for attention!There is absolutely no scientific evidence that second hand smoke is harmful-and you cannot prove to a reasonable degree of scientific certaincy that this is incorrect!Has anyone ever told you you should learn to mind your own business?Stop obsecessing regarding others behavior!Be concerned with you and your problems!
@@ There's no evidence that second hand smoke is harmful???? You have got to be kidding me. All these studies about childhood asthma and infants that get RSV and other respiratory illness if they live in smoking households means nothing? I'm concerned that your smoke is killing everyone who comes in contact with it! Smoke in your own house and not around other people who don't want to breathe it in. I'll have to say I've never seen a more bunch of selfish people as smokers! They're just ridiculous. Light up and chill out before you attack someone who's only concerned about their own health due to inconsiderate smokers.
Gary

Washington, DC

#21 Feb 19, 2006
Ok, for the guy nagging on pet owners..........do you have down syndrome or something? I myself, am severly allergic to dogs, cats, and birds. Now, I get the same symptoms as your wife does, but this is a problem that can not be fixed because people like us are such a small percentage of the population.

Comparing pet dander to smoking is like comparing a normal person such as myself, to you, with down syndrome.

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