If there is no God, no heaven or hell...

If there is no God, no heaven or hell...then please enlighten me

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Since: Sep 09

Gilbert, AZ

#1 Nov 25, 2009
If there is no heaven or hell, no God...then what is the purpose of not living every day for the moment? Why bother to be kind to others? Why bother to obey laws? If the life we have on this earth is all gone once we die, and there is no afterlife, then why can't I just do what I want, when I want - so what if I step on some toes or break a few laws? And, by the way, who gives authority for the laws I may break anyway? And from what authority do those people get them...and it goes on and on...If I do not have to be accountable to something greater than myself, then frankly, does it really even matter? Again, on whose authority? And from where does he/she get that authority? Where did it come from? Some guy make it up?
Chelmsford Kid

Randolph, MA

#2 Nov 25, 2009
You should follow the morals that atheists have. They live descent fully moral lives without the threat of God and hell. You shouldn't be a good person for the sole fact that you're afraid not to be by threat of damnation. It's quite a shame if religion is the only thing that keeps you on the straight and narrow. :(

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Since: Mar 09

Fitchburg, MA

#3 Nov 25, 2009
Wow. There are a lot of questions thrown in there. The simplest answer I can come up with is that morality and government (and, therefore, law) existed before the Bible was written. So, morality is not dependent on the existence of God or Heaven or Hell.
Wendell

Chelmsford, MA

#4 Nov 26, 2009
Maybe you should think that when you are nice to others it makes YOU feel good. Live like youre dying baby
PDupont

Monsey, NY

#5 Nov 28, 2009
I know - but not all wrote:
If there is no heaven or hell, no God...then what is the purpose of not living every day for the moment? Why bother to be kind to others? Why bother to obey laws? If the life we have on this earth is all gone once we die, and there is no afterlife, then why can't I just do what I want, when I want - so what if I step on some toes or break a few laws? And, by the way, who gives authority for the laws I may break anyway? And from what authority do those people get them...and it goes on and on...If I do not have to be accountable to something greater than myself, then frankly, does it really even matter? Again, on whose authority? And from where does he/she get that authority? Where did it come from? Some guy make it up?
A truly moral person doesnít do whatís right out of expectation for reward or fear of punishment they do it simply because its right. Why bother to obey laws? Because if you donít there are consequences that range from fines to imprisonment. The authority for laws comes from the people through their representatives.
Libertarian

Fitchburg, MA

#6 Dec 6, 2009
Funny when you hear so many religious folk characterize atheists as empty, shallow, self-centered, etc, then you get a person like this who basically says if they didn't have their faith, they don't know why they wouldn't just start living like a savage. Who's really the empty one? Why can't a person just be good without having to imagine some mythical overseer cracking the whip to keep them in line? Is really required, just to keep you from being a dick to the rest of us? Backwards ass stuff right there.
Tony

Tewksbury, MA

#7 Dec 6, 2009
Some of you folks are in for a big surprise when you die whether you believe in a deity/higher power or not. Everyone will be judged. Good luck.
Kelly

AOL

#8 Dec 7, 2009
Tiffany from Fitchburg wrote:
Wow. There are a lot of questions thrown in there. The simplest answer I can come up with is that morality and government (and, therefore, law) existed before the Bible was written. So, morality is not dependent on the existence of God or Heaven or Hell.
Right, and so did human sacrifice. Remember Molech?
Last Of The Morlocks

United States

#9 Dec 7, 2009
Chelmsford Kid wrote:
You should follow the morals that atheists have. They live descent fully moral lives without the threat of God and hell. You shouldn't be a good person for the sole fact that you're afraid not to be by threat of damnation. It's quite a shame if religion is the only thing that keeps you on the straight and narrow.:(
99% of all atheists are not what you describe but are immoral and ignorant people who try to justify their lifestyle by living by the me first attitude.
Libertarian

Fitchburg, MA

#10 Dec 7, 2009
Last Of The Morlocks wrote:
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99% of all atheists are not what you describe but are immoral and ignorant people who try to justify their lifestyle by living by the me first attitude.
Funny, you'd think statistics on religion in US prisons wouldn't reflect the exact opposite. Oh wait, that would involve using facts to reach your conclusions, which would make you an enemy of religion.

Atheist % of prison population 0.21%
Catholic ~39%
Protestants ~35%

Almost all criminals are religious. Funny, huh?

You fail.
Libertarian

Fitchburg, MA

#11 Dec 7, 2009
Kelly wrote:
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Right, and so did human sacrifice. Remember Molech?
Luckily, the bible came along.

Remember Torquemada?
Ron

Billerica, MA

#12 Dec 7, 2009
Hell exists...I've been to Lawrence.
Libertarian

Fitchburg, MA

#13 Dec 7, 2009
Tony wrote:
Some of you folks are in for a big surprise when you die whether you believe in a deity/higher power or not. Everyone will be judged. Good luck.
Yeah, thanks for your very believable outpouring of heartfelt concern for the souls of others. Very christian of you.

99% of 'christians' are hypocrites.
nonbeliever

Dracut, MA

#14 Dec 7, 2009
I find it interesting that "godfearing" people find it their right to decide the laws as well. Using THEIR faith as reasons to prohibit people from certian rights and benifits that they feel is only for the people who believe just as they do. Personally I am not christian, I do not believe in heaven or hell, I believe to each his own and harm no one. so training people to kill simply because some guy in a big office said to is ok by your "God" but some kid on the street kills another and it isnt and there is no way that kid could possibly be christian right cause otherwise he wouldnt have killed that other kid cause he's going to hell for doin it..using your mentality it seems a little screwed up dont it?
lowell tax payer

Lowell, MA

#15 Dec 7, 2009
Tiffany from Fitchburg wrote:
Wow. There are a lot of questions thrown in there. The simplest answer I can come up with is that morality and government (and, therefore, law) existed before the Bible was written. So, morality is not dependent on the existence of God or Heaven or Hell.
Morality, law and government may have existed before the bible was written but that does not mean that God did not exist before then! What good would a bible have done if man could not read or write yet?

“forever learning”

Since: Mar 09

Fitchburg, MA

#16 Dec 7, 2009
lowell tax payer wrote:
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Morality, law and government may have existed before the bible was written but that does not mean that God did not exist before then! What good would a bible have done if man could not read or write yet?
That wasn't the question that the original poster asked. Until the Bible and Abrahamic texts were written, man had no thought of Heaven and Hell in its current context, yet, morality and law still existed. I acknowledge the fact that the poster was obviously looking for affirmation and not information, as he/she not only failed to separate the concept of a god from Heaven and Hell (assuming that God automatically means the God of Abraham), but also failed to separate the concept of morality and law. They are not the same thing. Morality is, in-part, a creation of man and it is also, in-part, instinctive within our nature (think altruism, fight or flight, etc.). Law, in and of itself, is man-made.
Tony

Tewksbury, MA

#17 Dec 7, 2009
Libertarian wrote:
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Yeah, thanks for your very believable outpouring of heartfelt concern for the souls of others. Very christian of you.
99% of 'christians' are hypocrites.
Not neccesarily concerned. You have the utmost responsibility for your own Christianphobe soul. Good luck.

Since: Jun 08

Mechanicville, NY

#18 Dec 7, 2009
Sometimes I think hell is on earth. Ever notice all the wars that have gone on since humans ruled the earth..People and nations just can't get along based on race, relgion,territory,greed,lust,p ower and ect..It seems to me that peace and happiness is not in the cards for people who live on earth even if they have power,very rich or try to rule the world cuz it won't last forever for anyone.
Kelly

AOL

#19 Dec 8, 2009
Tiffany from Fitchburg wrote:
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That wasn't the question that the original poster asked. Until the Bible and Abrahamic texts were written, man had no thought of Heaven and Hell in its current context, yet, morality and law still existed. I acknowledge the fact that the poster was obviously looking for affirmation and not information, as he/she not only failed to separate the concept of a god from Heaven and Hell (assuming that God automatically means the God of Abraham), but also failed to separate the concept of morality and law. They are not the same thing. Morality is, in-part, a creation of man and it is also, in-part, instinctive within our nature (think altruism, fight or flight, etc.). Law, in and of itself, is man-made.
If that's true, why do we see such a low level of morality in our country, and belief in God on the wane? If this is moral, I have some snow I want to sell you.
Hmmmm

Bowdoinham, ME

#20 Dec 8, 2009
Don't go blaming lack of religion: almost everyone in US prisons consider themselves religious and/or believes in a god.

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