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Romney: Obamacare fiasco "rotting" Obama's second term

There are 669 comments on the CBS News story from Nov 3, 2013, titled Romney: Obamacare fiasco "rotting" Obama's second term. In it, CBS News reports that:

Not so, says the Massachusetts program's architect, former Gov. Mitt Romney, R-Mass., who challenged Mr. Obama for the presidency in 2012.

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Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#208 Nov 12, 2013
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>It appears you are the one in la la land because you can't even face the truth when it stands before you flipping you off and laughing hysterically.
I'm sure you won't read this but I will post it for anyone who wants to be informed because this is the TRUTH you refuse to acknowledge.
https://www.aamc.org/download/100598/data/
Here is an excerpt about Dirty Harry Reid's stomping ground What kind of fool thinks this clown knows anything about health care?
Nevada (2009)–“Nevada Currently Ranks 48th in the Number of Physicians per Capita”
A 2009 report by The Center for Education and Health Services Outreach (CEHSO) at the University of Nevada School of Medicine describes the changing face of the physician workforce in Nevada. The makeup of practicing physicians in Nevada is characterized by growth in the proportion of female physicians and by growing percentages of older physicians nearing retirement. Furthermore, only 5 out of 39 specialties have practicing physicians at a per capita level higher than other states in the region and only 2 higher than the national average leaving Nevada experiencing shortages for most medical and surgical specialties. Also troubling is the fact that Nevada only has 218 physicians per 100,000 of the population while the national average is 307. A 2006 report by LarsonAllen, a Minnesota consulting firm charged with reviewing Nevada medical education capacity and need, recommends that the state develop a health sciences center in order to dramatically increase medical school and graduate medical education training opportunities. With one of the lowest physician to population ratios and one of the highest population growth rates in the nation, the existing medical education system cannot keep up with the need.27"
Let's not forget when the doctors left in droves when Nevada's medical malpractice rates were the highest in the country. Specialists saw a dramatic drop in pay, so they left. Same for IL...oscumma's stomping ground. And yet you are stupid enough to think THEY know how to run a govt controlled health care system?
After reading this report, wouldn't you think oscumma and his bandits would have considered this before moving forward on ACA? The nutjob decides to bring in MORE people when there aren't enough doctors currently.
The LAST thing we should do is to have a govt. takeover. We have a shortage of specialists in this country already due to lack of pay...that's a little insight to govt. run healthcare. You are just too dense to understand the real impact ACA will have on this country.
The stupid don't realize oscumma is forcing everyone to absorb this shortage...misery loves company. Soon every state in this country will have shitty care like Harry Reid's Nevada and Oscumma's Illinois. Read on and find out where your state ranks.
and of course, this has nothing to do with the false premises you based your earlier fantasy world on...

stick to the facts. you won't seem like quite the whack-job that way...
see the light

El Paso, TX

#209 Nov 12, 2013
Obama's healthcare bill is just part of his plan to bring America down. What does he care if his STUPID followers recieve notices that their current health ins. is void, he's not gonna be in office anymore. You voted for it, so live with it.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#210 Nov 12, 2013
see the light wrote:
Obama's healthcare bill is just part of his plan to bring America down. What does he care if his STUPID followers recieve notices that their current health ins. is void, he's not gonna be in office anymore. You voted for it, so live with it.
yeah sure, that is his plan...

you do realize that you are exactly like the idiots that said the same out Bush for 8 years, don't you? exactly like them.

your entire world view in not founded in any kind of reality.
Eric Gustafson

Virginia Beach, VA

#211 Nov 12, 2013
So, because there is a shortage of doctors and nurses you're proposing that Health Care in America be rationed?

That's not rational.

Why should you receive access to Health Care over the next individual because there is a physician shortage?

That's more the customs and thinking of a Barbarian in a Medieval society, not a modern civilized society like a democratic America where all men are created equal.
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>Obviously, you wouldn't know what has been going on in the last fifteen years or you would understand why the govt. should NOT be in the business of controlling health care. You are in denial because your phallic god has been exposed. Just because YOU enjoy having it up your ass does not mean the rest of the country want it there.
1. There is a shortage of doctors and nurses already. oscumma's attack on the system will be painful for everyone....particularly the baby boomers. This is BIG Govt's way of dealing with this crisis. Death panels and denial of services for the largest group of consumers. Welcome Big Brother 1984. The time has come.
2. Salaries have dropped and costs have risen making medicine less desirable due to increased govt. control. The insurance industry have also interfered in the free market model aided by the liberal elite in govt., of course.
3. oscumma will bring in ILLEGALS to bankrupt this country further and take more money away from the hardworking few who have been enslaved by the govt. to support the growing population of parasites. Increasing the numbers of those who have less money, will have less power and less independence. It breaks the American spirit and it will create a society of govt. dependants who will never question, just comply.
4. High malpractice rates, lower salaries, long hours, outrageous costs to get the degree, increasing costs to run business, etc. have caused doctors to leave their states and go to other more favorable states. Imagine what will happen when there will be NO favorable states to practice? Here's what will happen:
a. dumb down the requirements to practice medicine, long waits, lack of treatment, errors, death(this will be well hidden by the liberal media for a while, at least.)
b. have taxpayers pay to educate doctors particularly the 'underserved' which usually means those who couldn't compete without getting help.
c. Less qualified, less intelligent and less comitted will deliver your health care. Why not choose someone who will play doctor two days a week, take three months off on maternity leave and come back to work....as competent as the full time physician who didn't need to cheat in order to even get in medical school. ACA will be filled with part timers who won't take the time to attend continuing education courses. They won't publish or consult because medicine will be part time for them.
The insurance industry is in bed with the govt. It has been socializing healthcare by dictating what services should cost. This has caused a reduction in specialists. This has opened the door to ACA.
You're just stupid enough to imagine the insurance industry has been driven by Republicans...nope BIG GOVT....and you want more of the same. What a fool.
see the light

El Paso, TX

#212 Nov 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yeah sure, that is his plan...
you do realize that you are exactly like the idiots that said the same out Bush for 8 years, don't you? exactly like them.
your entire world view in not founded in any kind of reality.
I'm sure you were one of them.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#213 Nov 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>and of course, this has nothing to do with the false premises you based your earlier fantasy world on...
stick to the facts. you won't seem like quite the whack-job that way...
False premises? Please explain. It is especially amusing that you tell me that I can't 'stick to the facts' and yet when you are given some.....they are ignored. Are you trying to tell me oscumma and his band of lying bandits are the criminals we should trust for facts? Honestly, aren't you even in the slightest bit embarrassed?

incredulous

Carmel, IN

#214 Nov 12, 2013
Eric Gustafson wrote:
So, because there is a shortage of doctors and nurses you're proposing that Health Care in America be rationed?
That's not rational.
Why should you receive access to Health Care over the next individual because there is a physician shortage?
That's more the customs and thinking of a Barbarian in a Medieval society, not a modern civilized society like a democratic America where all men are created equal.
<quoted text>
I never said that, but YOU did! Health care IS going to be rationed and those scumbags who voted for it already grabbed their waiver in order to avoid the misery that will be imposed upon the people.

oscumma surely should have been aware of this shortage. Dirtbag Harry surely was aware of it.

It's very interesting to see your reaction to because if people really knew what that scumbag has been up to....this bill would be nothing but toilet paper.

The good citizens of this country....those who have toiled to provide for themselves and their families....those who have had their wages stolen by a greedy intrusive govt are going to eventually realize they were duped but it will be too late.

Why do you think oscumma and his dirtbag henchmen moved forward with ACA before fixing the shortage first? Why implement an expensive program without having the doctors and nurses to treat them? Not in the least concerned? Of course not.

This liar, commie and socialist despises the American way which is exactly why he is moving forward. This will guarantee servitude to big govt. because when you have control of healthcare, you have control of the people. The classes will be divided into the elite and the rest. Why do you think those dirtbags got waivers for themselves?

It makes you wonder why no one is questioning oscumma on how people are going to be served if there are not going to be enough doctors and nurses? oscumma had how long to incentivize this area of weakness? Why did he want to push this through without educating the lawmakers AND the people?

Do you honestly think the people would have gone along with this sham if they were aware they would not get to keep their doctors?

Do you think the people would have gone along with this scam if they knew there weren't even enough doctors and nurses to treat them after they lost their policies?

You forgot to mention there are quite a few doctors who won't even accept this so then what? They will be forced into servitude by the commie? Probably and it will be called the doctor draft.

I wonder how many folks would agree to take on immigrants at all...much less illegals. After all, why bring on more mouths to feed when there isn't enough to go around for the citizens?

You need to ask the dirt bags in Washington why they have set out to hurt Americans? Why are they are causing people to lose their insurance so some free-loading illegal alien criminal can have free healthcare?

Americans are not going to give up what they have worked their entire lives for....to provide for their families. Why should they throw their families in the street in order to give to some dirt bag illegal? Not I and I doubt many who would.

You're bs is comical.

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#215 Nov 12, 2013
easy, the dirt bag illegal will most likely vote Dem....
Eric Gustafson

Virginia Beach, VA

#216 Nov 12, 2013
These are your exact words from your post above......

"1. There is a shortage of doctors and nurses already. oscumma's attack on the system will be painful for everyone....particularly the baby boomers. This is BIG Govt's way of dealing with this crisis. Death panels and denial of services for the largest group of consumers. Welcome Big Brother 1984. The time has come."

So again I ask, because there is a shortage of doctors and nurses, you're proposing what exactly? That access to health care should not be extended to all citizens equally?

If that's your concern and position, why are you so more deserving of access to Health Care than the next individual? That means some will be treated and some will not as it used to be before ACA.

Who gets treated and who gets turned back?

The shortage can only be fixed with education and access to medical schools. Where were you went Obama asked congress for funding for college education and rather the Republican reduced Funding that was much needed to train future physicians and nurses? You can't have it both ways. It's not rational to demand spending cuts and not rail about the shortage o trained professionals for Health Care

That's a bogus argument.
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text> I never said that, but YOU did! Health care IS going to be rationed and those scumbags who voted for it already grabbed their waiver in order to avoid the misery that will be imposed upon the people.
oscumma surely should have been aware of this shortage. Dirtbag Harry surely was aware of it.
It's very interesting to see your reaction to because if people really knew what that scumbag has been up to....this bill would be nothing but toilet paper.
The good citizens of this country....those who have toiled to provide for themselves and their families....those who have had their wages stolen by a greedy intrusive govt are going to eventually realize they were duped but it will be too late.
Why do you think oscumma and his dirtbag henchmen moved forward with ACA before fixing the shortage first? Why implement an expensive program without having the doctors and nurses to treat them? Not in the least concerned? Of course not.
This liar, commie and socialist despises the American way which is exactly why he is moving forward. This will guarantee servitude to big govt. because when you have control of healthcare, you have control of the people. The classes will be divided into the elite and the rest. Why do you think those dirtbags got waivers for themselves?
It makes you wonder why no one is questioning oscumma on how people are going to be served if there are not going to be enough doctors and nurses? oscumma had how long to incentivize this area of weakness? Why did he want to push this through without educating the lawmakers AND the people?
Do you honestly think the people would have gone along with this sham if they were aware they would not get to keep their doctors?
Do you think the people would have gone along with this scam if they knew there weren't even enough doctors and nurses to treat them after they lost their policies?
You forgot to mention there are quite a few doctors who won't even accept this so then what? They will be forced into servitude by the commie? Probably and it will be called the doctor draft.
I wonder how many folks would agree to take on immigrants at all...much less illegals. After all, why bring on more mouths to feed when there isn't enough to go around for the citizens?
You need to ask the dirt bags in Washington why they have set out to hurt Americans? Why are they are causing people to lose their insurance so some free-loading illegal alien criminal can have free healthcare?
Americans are not going to give up what they have worked their entire lives for....to provide for their families. Why should they throw their families in the street in order to give to some dirt bag illegal? Not I and I doubt many who would.
You're bs is comical.
see the light

El Paso, TX

#217 Nov 12, 2013
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>False premises? Please explain. It is especially amusing that you tell me that I can't 'stick to the facts' and yet when you are given some.....they are ignored. Are you trying to tell me oscumma and his band of lying bandits are the criminals we should trust for facts? Honestly, aren't you even in the slightest bit embarrassed?
He knows your'e right, he just doesn't have the guts to admit it.

“BILLARY 2016 ”

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#218 Nov 13, 2013
******BREAKING NEWS**********

Mitt "The Whiner" Romney is apparently suffering from Alzheimers.

While criticizing President Obama 24/7 about ACA, Mittens forgot that when Romneycare began in Mass., only 127 people signed up during the 1st month.

What a dipshithypocrite.

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#219 Nov 13, 2013
when Obama leaves office after this term, he will be remembered ONLY as the president who replaced jimmy carter as the worst president in the history of the united states.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#220 Nov 13, 2013
see the light wrote:
<quoted text> He knows your'e right, he just doesn't have the guts to admit it.
I'd like to think that most Americans really don't want to give up their freedom for false promises. It's just that so many have been socialized by the media and their schools to trust big govt...and to believe the govt. knows best. It's a shame that people have been manipulated into believing they are not capable of greatness. So many grew up without two parents.......or they came home to an empty house after school......or they were left in front of the TV as their babysitter.....it's no wonder they don't believe in themselves. When they have been seperated from their extended family and left with 'friends' to shape their sense of self....what other result can you expect? When their primary teacher is the liberal media, how would they ever understand another way? As youngsters, they are taught to scorn/hate nerds, goody goodies, religious folks, fat, shy, ugly, stupid, unathletic.......but also the extremely attractive and, the jocks, whites in country clubs, the rich. They are taught to admire the sluts and make fun of the virgins. Kids receiving all kinds of mixed messages with absent parents have created an empty, dependent and materialistic society. Should it be a surprise to see so many reach for the surrogate.....big govt? No doubt it has padded its steel cold self with all kinds of warm fuzzies.......the sheeple are not even aware of the reality beneath the facade.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#221 Nov 13, 2013
Eric Gustafson wrote:
These are your exact words from your post above......
"1. There is a shortage of doctors and nurses already. oscumma's attack on the system will be painful for everyone....particularly the baby boomers. This is BIG Govt's way of dealing with this crisis. Death panels and denial of services for the largest group of consumers. Welcome Big Brother 1984. The time has come."
So again I ask, because there is a shortage of doctors and nurses, you're proposing what exactly? That access to health care should not be extended to all citizens equally?
If that's your concern and position, why are you so more deserving of access to Health Care than the next individual? That means some will be treated and some will not as it used to be before ACA.
Who gets treated and who gets turned back?
The shortage can only be fixed with education and access to medical schools. Where were you went Obama asked congress for funding for college education and rather the Republican reduced Funding that was much needed to train future physicians and nurses? You can't have it both ways. It's not rational to demand spending cuts and not rail about the shortage o trained professionals for Health Care
That's a bogus argument.
<quoted text>
As you struggle to find excuses for your bumbling commie leader, you may want to ask yourself why you would trust someone who has lied to you over and over again about this sham. Doesn't it even concern you in the least this monster is planning on bringing in MORE inside the tent knowing there wouldn't be enough room? How can you trust someone pushes a plan through that no one has even read? What is wrong with you?
too much

Roseville, MI

#222 Nov 14, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yeah sure, that is his plan...
you do realize that you are exactly like the idiots that said the same out Bush for 8 years, don't you? exactly like them.
your entire world view in not founded in any kind of reality.
You keep spouting off to any one that dares to disagree with Obamas health care law.

Have you signed up for it? How was the process? How much will you save? Tell us your experience.
ObamaKare

Merrimack, NH

#223 Nov 14, 2013
There are a few facts that are indisputable:
1. Obama lied and repeated that lie over and over (i.e. "If you like your current policy, you can keep it - PERIOD!").
2. Obama apologized for lying.
3. Millions of Americans lost their insurance.
4. Most of those millions currently can't obtain new insurance because of "glitches" with the catalyst provided by the guy who lied and said that they could keep their insurance in the first place.
5. ObamaCare was supposed to provide people with insurance, instead, it's causing people to lose it.
"Obama, If you like your apology, you can keep it - PERIOD!"

“BILLARY 2016 ”

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#224 Nov 14, 2013
Asian Guy wrote:
when Obama leaves office after this term, he will be remembered ONLY as the president who replaced jimmy carter as the worst president in the history of the united states.
President Jimmy Carter is ranked by Presidential Historians at #25. He's no where near the worst however, Bush is much closer to the bottom at #37 out of #43.

As usual, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Must be all that dirty, smoggy, filthy, blinding Asian air you're sucking into your lungs and tiny brain that is making you delirious.

You're leary stupid. lmao

“BILLARY 2016 ”

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#225 Nov 14, 2013
ObamaKare wrote:
There are a few facts that are indisputable:
1. Obama lied and repeated that lie over and over (i.e. "If you like your current policy, you can keep it - PERIOD!").
2. Obama apologized for lying.
3. Millions of Americans lost their insurance.
4. Most of those millions currently can't obtain new insurance because of "glitches" with the catalyst provided by the guy who lied and said that they could keep their insurance in the first place.
5. ObamaCare was supposed to provide people with insurance, instead, it's causing people to lose it.
"Obama, If you like your apology, you can keep it - PERIOD!"
Obviously you are a political novice but I'll give it the old college try.

1) Nixon lied about Watergate and Vietnam
2) Ford lied when he said he wouldn't pardon Nixon, but he did.
3) Carter probably lied but I can't site any examples.
4) Reagan lied by secretly selling weapons to the Mujahadin
5) Bush I lied "No new taxes". He raised them and lost re-election.
6) Clinton lied "I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinski"
7) Bush II lied about his service in the National Guard since no pictures of him were ever offered up as proof because he was AWOL the entire time.
"I'm a uniter, not a divider".
"Compassionate conservative".
Saddam tried to buy yellow pancake from Al Qaeda in Africa".
Saddam was involved in 9/11.
Saddam had WMD's.
Scooter Libby.
Torture.
Billions of dollars missing in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Your guy, Bush, wins. He lied more than all the other presidents combined. Congrats, zippy!
CBOW

Dover, PA

#226 Nov 14, 2013
Obungler has made his legacy into a joke. His dreams of progressive entitlement utopia were nothing more than a naive wet dream. He has no one to blame but himself. His costly, ill conceived, vision has cost us all dearly. Sad really.

“BILLARY 2016 ”

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#227 Nov 14, 2013
CBOW wrote:
Obungler has made his legacy into a joke. His dreams of progressive entitlement utopia were nothing more than a naive wet dream. He has no one to blame but himself. His costly, ill conceived, vision has cost us all dearly. Sad really.
Ted Cruz shut down the government for 17 days at a cost of....

$24,000,000,000,000.

Guess what you idiots on the right have to say about that?
crickets

Please, save your faux sadness for your uneducated, teabagging obstructionists.

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