In Puerto Rico, Romney repeats Sotoma...

In Puerto Rico, Romney repeats Sotomayor criticism

There are 262 comments on the Deseret News story from Mar 16, 2012, titled In Puerto Rico, Romney repeats Sotomayor criticism. In it, Deseret News reports that:

Republican presidential candidate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, center, hugs his wife Ann as he arrives to the airport in San Juan, Puerto Rico, Friday March 16, 2012.

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Since: Mar 08

Allentown, PA

#143 Mar 18, 2012
bappie wrote:
<quoted text>I get what you're saying in this post, even if you think I don't. However, that wasn't the point I was trying to make. What I was trying to impart to you is that it's not fair of you to demean races that were subjected by Europeans as in Puerto Rico or the other islands that you made negative statements about. You act as if these people have no right to be offended by remarks made by your politicians and I am saying they do. You airly dismiss any and all complaints as if it doesn't matter and say there nothing but welfare states and don't contribute anything to the US and I disagree because if that were true, why are we there and why are they a part of country? If we still didn't need anything from them, why are we still supporting them? Everyone wants and deserves repect, LTE. You're claiming people like me are ungrateful for things we have in American life and I am not and that's not the point I was trying to make but you've twisted it all around and made it out to be that I am critical of Europeans. I am only critical when you down other races with negative and insulting statements. Respect is mutual and in the arrogrance of typical American Males of your particular party, you don't feel as if you all have to respect anyone but want respect and gratitude for what you've supposedly done or how your culture has supposedly enriched the lives of others which might be true but you all can't take total credit and yes, we still have to look at the means as to how all of this came about. If that makes any sense to you at all, which I doubt, given your obstinate mindset.
Show me a perfect society.

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#144 Mar 18, 2012
LookingToEscape wrote:
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Show me a perfect society.
There is none and I know that as well as you. However, that doesn't mean we can't work towards a more empathethic or inclusive society. There are those that want to and others who fight tooth and nails against it and I am not saying you're like that but you know full well that there are others that are and they piggy back off of some of the statements you've made and it gives them the backing to think they're right in their racist idealogy of demeaning and insulting people who don't look like them. We can and do disagree on political issues but to do it in a racist vein is not right and perhpas that's the one thing we do agree on.

Since: Jul 10

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#145 Mar 18, 2012
bappie wrote:
<quoted text>On topic, the point I was making was how stupid it was of Santorum and Romney to go the island and make disparging remarks about Sotomayor. For some crazy reason, Republicans think they can appeal to people by insulting them. However, that's their problem as it's a win, win, for Obama when they do such stupid things.
Bappie, where have both used "disparaging" remarks? I read news from Puerto Rico, listen to two talk, news stations from the island and have WAPA America satellite TV and yet did not hear or was it reported that they used disparaging remarks. I am not a republican or a democrat, but a realist. I don't agree with some of Sotomayor's beliefs, but being a Boricua who has gotten to the highest court of our country I am glad for her. I assure you if both politicians would had put down Boricuas there would have been an uproar in the island and there has been minimal criticism from pro-Obama supporters and independentistas. This is a tempest in a tea cup.

Since: Mar 08

Allentown, PA

#146 Mar 18, 2012
bappie wrote:
<quoted text>There is none and I know that as well as you. However, that doesn't mean we can't work towards a more empathethic or inclusive society. There are those that want to and others who fight tooth and nails against it and I am not saying you're like that but you know full well that there are others that are and they piggy back off of some of the statements you've made and it gives them the backing to think they're right in their racist idealogy of demeaning and insulting people who don't look like them. We can and do disagree on political issues but to do it in a racist vein is not right and perhpas that's the one thing we do agree on.
That is all fine and well, but if people like Sotomayor want to make their living from taxpayer money, they are subject to public comment. I do think something more than her "race" should have been the primary reason for the Hispanic support for her.
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As for English, it is the defacto business language. Pointing that out is not racist, it's a fact. If using it improves the income of Puerto Rico, start using it. A single language through out the United States is an invaluable asset in the economic and social world. Save the ethnic flavor for your favorite restaurant.
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My comment about more Puerto Ricans in jail than walking free in San Juan was an exaggeration, but it can not be denied that the second wave of Hispanics that came here also brought a lot of the criminal element with them. The crime that has taken place downtown has hampered efforts to bring business back. Several business that are affected are minority owned. Several "Hispanics" I know have complained about the second wave.
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Our schools have gone downhill as well. The school district tried to hire some Hispanic teachers but none would accept employment because of the school district's reputation.
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These are real problems and are fairly well centered around a migration of people from New York City. To pretend there isn't a Hispanic problem is trying to build self esteem by denial. The correct way to build up self esteem is by accomplishment and good reputation.
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As for racism in general, people do not like people for a variety of reasons, race is just one of them. It's a better world if a white woman and a black woman laugh together at another woman because she's fat?

Since: May 08

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#147 Mar 18, 2012
LookingToEscape wrote:
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That is all fine and well, but if people like Sotomayor want to make their living from taxpayer money, they are subject to public comment. I do think something more than her "race" should have been the primary reason for the Hispanic support for her.
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As for English, it is the defacto business language. Pointing that out is not racist, it's a fact. If using it improves the income of Puerto Rico, start using it. A single language through out the United States is an invaluable asset in the economic and social world. Save the ethnic flavor for your favorite restaurant.
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My comment about more Puerto Ricans in jail than walking free in San Juan was an exaggeration, but it can not be denied that the second wave of Hispanics that came here also brought a lot of the criminal element with them. The crime that has taken place downtown has hampered efforts to bring business back. Several business that are affected are minority owned. Several "Hispanics" I know have complained about the second wave.
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Our schools have gone downhill as well. The school district tried to hire some Hispanic teachers but none would accept employment because of the school district's reputation.
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These are real problems and are fairly well centered around a migration of people from New York City. To pretend there isn't a Hispanic problem is trying to build self esteem by denial. The correct way to build up self esteem is by accomplishment and good reputation.
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As for racism in general, people do not like people for a variety of reasons, race is just one of them. It's a better world if a white woman and a black woman laugh together at another woman because she's fat?
One of your more thought out responses I must admit. Yes, Sotomayor is a public and Government official and therefore is open to critical review. I am just questioning the logic of going to her hometown, seeking support and critizing her. Doesn't make sense to me, but it's whatever.

I don't know why when a non-white wins an election it's assumed that whatever race that person is, is the only reason people of their race voted for them. It's really not a fair statement to make when most people vote their party line. That Obama and Sotomayor happened to be minorities, makes no difference and I told you that but you refused to accept it. I voted for Hillary in the primary and Obama in the election. I know a lot of blacks who were leery of voting for Obama simply because they didn't know that much about him and they also voted for Hillary in the primary but later voted for Obama. It would be the same as me saying you'd vote for Santorum because he's Italian and Catholic but you can't seem to wrap that around your mind.

English is our primary language and should remain so. However, bi-lingual is a fact of life in this country and there's no getting past it. I personally think we'd be enriched by learning different languages and as the business world expands, and problems in the middle-east continue, people are learning to speak Chinese and Arabic, but that's just me. I believe diversity can only enrich us, not harm us.

I find it hard to believe that you cannot find bi-lingual teachers and of course you know they do not need to be hispanic in race. Teachers are desperately looking for jobs so there must be something else going on in your school district.

Crime is rampant every where and yes, we need to get a handle on it. Drugs and gangs are the primary problem and they've hit every urban area in this country. It would be nice if our government acknowledged it and worked to come up with some solutions.

Since: May 08

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#148 Mar 18, 2012
MataConHachaCR wrote:
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Bappie, where have both used "disparaging" remarks? I read news from Puerto Rico, listen to two talk, news stations from the island and have WAPA America satellite TV and yet did not hear or was it reported that they used disparaging remarks. I am not a republican or a democrat, but a realist. I don't agree with some of Sotomayor's beliefs, but being a Boricua who has gotten to the highest court of our country I am glad for her. I assure you if both politicians would had put down Boricuas there would have been an uproar in the island and there has been minimal criticism from pro-Obama supporters and independentistas. This is a tempest in a tea cup.
As I stated to LTE, I feel it's ridiculous that they would go to her island and make remarks critical of her and I still feel that way. In my estimation, it's not a good manners, but that's just me.
Ex Senator Santpornum

Wilmington, DE

#149 Mar 18, 2012
LookingToEscape wrote:
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Your comments gave me an idea.
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Next time I run into a non-European woman giving me the poor native strum and dang, I can say, I'd love to take you out to dinner, but since I'd have to pay using ill gotten gains, maybe we better just stay in instead. Of course, being the moral person she is, she couldn't accept a dinner invitation from anyone anyway, because she would be enjoying the fruits of ill gotten gains.
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Not often moral integrity and saving money intersect like this.
In other words, you're going to vote for d.W.i. Bush a third time....

Since: May 08

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#150 Mar 18, 2012
Ex Senator Santpornum wrote:
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In other words, you're going to vote for d.W.i. Bush a third time....
That's an interesting question. lol

Since: Mar 08

Allentown, PA

#151 Mar 18, 2012
Ex Senator Santpornum wrote:
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In other words, you're going to vote for d.W.i. Bush a third time....

Since: Mar 08

Allentown, PA

#152 Mar 18, 2012
bappie wrote:
<quoted text>As I stated to LTE, I feel it's ridiculous that they would go to her island and make remarks critical of her and I still feel that way. In my estimation, it's not a good manners, but that's just me.
Was Romney asked about how he felt about her?

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#153 Mar 18, 2012
LookingToEscape wrote:
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Was Romney asked about how he felt about her?
One can assume from the article that he was and he reiterated what he said about her nomination as a Supreme Court Judge. Did he say anything personal about her? Not to my knowledge. You know, LTE, one of the other reasons I stated it was unwise for him to go there (if he could have avoided it) is that traditonally, Puerto Ricans vote Republican and they did not vote for Obama in the primary. So, does it make sense to critize their favorite daughter?

Since: May 08

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#154 Mar 18, 2012
LookingToEscape wrote:
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Was Romney asked about how he felt about her?
Well, I guess I can count myself lucky I didn't get another youtube tonight, huh? lol.

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#155 Mar 18, 2012
LookingToEscape wrote:
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Was Romney asked about how he felt about her?
You know, I gave you your good marks, but I get mean, nuts and bulbs?

Since: Mar 08

Allentown, PA

#156 Mar 18, 2012
bappie wrote:
<quoted text>One can assume from the article that he was and he reiterated what he said about her nomination as a Supreme Court Judge. Did he say anything personal about her? Not to my knowledge. You know, LTE, one of the other reasons I stated it was unwise for him to go there (if he could have avoided it) is that traditonally, Puerto Ricans vote Republican and they did not vote for Obama in the primary. So, does it make sense to critize their favorite daughter?
He hardly did a hatchet job on her, Romney disagreed with her legal views which is fair game.
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Keep in mind in one of her last big cases, she was over turned, seems she couldn't find any discrimination in a fire fighters case (which included some Hispanic men who were also discriminated against. It seems the judge who over turned her (he was also Hispanic) did find discrimination had taken place against the "White" and "Hispanic" fire fighters.
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Seems to me Obama appointed the wrong Hispanic to the Supreme Court.
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Now if the Puerto Ricans had asked me about her...

Since: Mar 08

Allentown, PA

#157 Mar 18, 2012
bappie wrote:
<quoted text>You know, I gave you your good marks, but I get mean, nuts and bulbs?
I rarely grade posts and haven't given you any negative marks.
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Maybe because arguing with you gives me such a headache some nights I forget to do it.

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#158 Mar 18, 2012
LookingToEscape wrote:
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I rarely grade posts and haven't given you any negative marks.
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Maybe because arguing with you gives me such a headache some nights I forget to do it.
I give you headaches? I am sorry. It's not my intention. I thought you enjoyed these little debates?(well, fights according to you)

Well, I do have my stalkers and fans. I didn't think it was you but I wasn't sure since you've been a little testy with me of late.

Since: May 08

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#159 Mar 18, 2012
LookingToEscape wrote:
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He hardly did a hatchet job on her, Romney disagreed with her legal views which is fair game.
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Keep in mind in one of her last big cases, she was over turned, seems she couldn't find any discrimination in a fire fighters case (which included some Hispanic men who were also discriminated against. It seems the judge who over turned her (he was also Hispanic) did find discrimination had taken place against the "White" and "Hispanic" fire fighters.
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Seems to me Obama appointed the wrong Hispanic to the Supreme Court.
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Now if the Puerto Ricans had asked me about her...
Oh, lawdy, but please don't go there. I get your point. Now be fair, the only Puerto Rican Supreme Court Nominee that you all would have accepted would have had to been Republican, right? So no matter who it was, you weren't going to approve. I mean, I can't stand Justice Thomas or Scalia, but you've got to accept them, right?

I probably wasn't going after Romney as much as Santorum. He just rubs me wrong. The guy isn't playing with a full deck and doesn't care what comes out of his mouth.

Since: Mar 12

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#160 Mar 18, 2012
I believe it was a good idea for Romney to be honest about how he felt about Sotomayer even if it was not politically expedient. I felt the same way about Santorum's strange remarks about English being an official language in Puerto Rico. It is best to be honest and straightfoward than to get a general reputation as being a person who always says only what he/she thinks the audience wants to hear. I disagree with Santorum's point, for example, but respect his courage for making it. In the case of Sotomayer, well her remarks about the the commerce clause show that she believes the Constitution is essentally a document that enables tyranny of the legislative branch. Let's give the Puerto Ricans the respect they deserve and not assume that they make decisions based on ethnic profile.

Since: May 08

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#161 Mar 18, 2012
Hammerhead SpaceX wrote:
I believe it was a good idea for Romney to be honest about how he felt about Sotomayer even if it was not politically expedient. I felt the same way about Santorum's strange remarks about English being an official language in Puerto Rico. It is best to be honest and straightfoward than to get a general reputation as being a person who always says only what he/she thinks the audience wants to hear. I disagree with Santorum's point, for example, but respect his courage for making it. In the case of Sotomayer, well her remarks about the the commerce clause show that she believes the Constitution is essentally a document that enables tyranny of the legislative branch. Let's give the Puerto Ricans the respect they deserve and not assume that they make decisions based on ethnic profile.
Actually, for Puerto Ricans to gain employment on the island, being proficient in English is one of the requirements. Especially in areas where they service tourists, malls, etc. However, they're very proud people and they're not going to give up their native tongue no more than we'd be willing to give up ours, imo..

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#162 Mar 18, 2012
LookingToEscape wrote:
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I rarely grade posts and haven't given you any negative marks.
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Maybe because arguing with you gives me such a headache some nights I forget to do it.
Sorry about the headaches (really, I am, lol) You won't have one this evening. I will say you've given me more than a headache at times but it goes with blogging, I guess.

Enjoy the rest of your evening.

Goodnight.

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