Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 222247 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#85704 Apr 11, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> More and more of your ignorance.
History had it that they were persecuted and even killed by the Romans under Nero and other Emperors, but the spirit of the Christians never died, until God turn around the tide, under Emperor Constantine.
Get a clue on History.
"History had it"? That is a non-statement.

Check your sources.

Lets see if you can do any better for "Christians fed to the lions" than you did for "the existence of Jesus Christ", on which you failed utterly.
FREE SERVANT
#85705 Apr 11, 2013
There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, Matthew 13: 49&50 Luke 13: 27&28.

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#85707 Apr 11, 2013
KJV wrote:
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"Creationism on the other hand claims Adam and Eve were created "perfect", and probably white. Anything different to that is inferior. That's ASTOUNDINGLY racist."
Your words not ours.
"and probably white". LOL
No you really can't believe this?
Adam and Eve were most likely Black.
Black, white, or green, the whole notion that that had a "perfect genome" is impossible, as there is no such thing even in principle.

There is only fitness to the environment, which is a moving target and is different in different times and places. That is why species differentiate from common ancestral populations in the first place.

There can be no perfect man because nobody can simultaneously be black and white, thickly muscled and wiry and fat and short and tall and risk seeking and risk averse and bookwise and streetwise and relaxed and high strung etc etc and all of these qualities may be advantageous or deleterious in different settings.

Variety, not "perfection", is the spice of life and the strength of a species.

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#85708 Apr 11, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, Matthew 13: 49&50 Luke 13: 27&28.
Especially among creationists, as they wait with baited breath for everyone who refused to join their cult to "get their just desserts".

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#85709 Apr 11, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Then i must be forced to say you are an idiot.
Paul was never the founder of Christianity, Jesus is.
Did Christ worship himself then Charlie? Sounds a bit nihilistic to me.

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#85710 Apr 11, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
Men want to bring glory unto themselves, when none of us are really worthy of it. We should try to bring honor to our Creator and his Son Jesus. Worthy of all praise is the lamb of God, who was given in sacrifice for the atonement of man and for all the work of God.
Christians like you can barely conceal their own pride in their extravagant claims that they are base evil creatures who have had the humility and strength to accept this and throw themselves on the mercy of God.

Notwithstanding the fact that their "evil" in most cases is not even worthy of respect, being nothing more than the odd tawdry affair or slipping a couple of hundred from the cash register, perhaps jerking off to a Victoria Secret catalog, or running over the neighbour's dog when drunk.

Such timid, banal, and trivial evil...

While at the same time, they have the incredible conceit that this universe of 10^24 stars and 13.6 billion years, this planet of 10 million species past and present, these mountains and oceans and every tree in the forest and every little microbe were put there JUST FOR THEM, just as a test of their souls. Every event is a SIGN. Who could be more ARROGANT and SELF CENTRED than that????

You guys amaze me.

The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85711 Apr 11, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Just look at your self, Ducky.
The Christians never fought the Romans, but from your saying you lack the understanding of what divine intervention is, " atheist ".
No, the Romans fought the Romans. Some believed in Jesus, some believed in Zeus. The new Christian Roman emperor was Christian because Christianity was rising in popularity. He managed to get into power via the usual political dealings and that was it. But then he was deposed and replaced by another emperor who brought back the old theology. Then he was deposed himself by yet another Christian emperor.

And if you think all this was done by swapping apple pies, teddy bears and cuddles then you are seriously deluded.

By the way, what "atheist" were you referring to?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85712 Apr 11, 2013
KJV wrote:
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Boy are you confused!!
Switching on or off genes is mutation
Mutating would fall under growing gills something our kind doesn't have at all.
Pointed ears or brown eyes is not a mutation.
Time to go back to school.
Mutation 101, the fantastic four. X-Men
By all means, you can keep beating up your caricature. But it has no bearing at all on what evolution actually is. That is why you're getting everything wrong.

And yes, brown eyes are a mutation. So are blue. In fact blue didn't exist prior to 10,000 years ago because it arose due to mutation.

Of course that was 4,000 years before the universe even existed.

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#85713 Apr 11, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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"History had it"? That is a non-statement.
Check your sources.
Lets see if you can do any better for "Christians fed to the lions" than you did for "the existence of Jesus Christ", on which you failed utterly.
No! You are wrong.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Seffner, FL

#85714 Apr 11, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>We should fear and tremble if we have supported the father of lies and the spirits of sin. True science will confirm the Holy Bible and yes, there will be a judgement where the souls who have rejected salvation through Jesus will weep and nash.
Ah! The *TRUE* science horseshit.

Boring troll is boring.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85715 Apr 11, 2013
KJV wrote:
No
You just claimed otherwise.
KJV wrote:
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"Creationism on the other hand claims Adam and Eve were created "perfect", and probably white. Anything different to that is inferior. That's ASTOUNDINGLY racist."
Your words not ours.
"and probably white". LOL
No you really can't believe this?
Adam and Eve were most likely Black.
Then it's still racist. All I did was point out that most depictions of Adam and Eve (and Jesus weirdly enough) are white.

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#85716 Apr 11, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Did Christ worship himself then Charlie? Sounds a bit nihilistic to me.
Christianity was and is founded by Jesus, he called his twelve disciples and apostles, that propagated the gospel of Christ.

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St. Croix valley

#85717 Apr 11, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, Matthew 13: 49&50 Luke 13: 27&28.
that's just the slaves your god told you to keep that are weeping.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85718 Apr 11, 2013
KJV wrote:
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"avoided mine. " really bad dude.
There maybe multiverse however they would still be inside of the UNIverse.
Because the universe includes all (not some) yes ALL matter and energy.
Do try and keep up. By the way how's the air in there?
You're not saying anything new. I already addressed this.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Seffner, FL

#85719 Apr 11, 2013
LupyLu wrote:
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Amen to your Amen sister! I've decided to post scripture here, daily, as well! Isn't that great?
And what do you think that will accomplish? Do you think you're going to convert anyone by spamming this thread? Get a grip.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85720 Apr 11, 2013
Tyler in Elsewhere wrote:
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Then you are astoundingly progressive for a creationist. However, it is indeed the creationist argument that Adam and Eve were "genetically perfect."
As I've heard it, the running hypothesis/delusion is that because of their perfect genes (presumably from being directly created by God, I suppose), they and their children were able to inbreed without any adverse effects. After the Fall, the genome started degrading, and has been 'devolving' into random noise ever since.
Which is pretty gross no matter how the fundies rationalize it. But hey, whatever floats the fundie's boat.(shrug)

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#85721 Apr 11, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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No, the Romans fought the Romans. Some believed in Jesus, some believed in Zeus. The new Christian Roman emperor was Christian because Christianity was rising in popularity. He managed to get into power via the usual political dealings and that was it. But then he was deposed and replaced by another emperor who brought back the old theology. Then he was deposed himself by yet another Christian emperor.
And if you think all this was done by swapping apple pies, teddy bears and cuddles then you are seriously deluded.
By the way, what "atheist" were you referring to?
Dreaming and lying again. How did the persecuted Christians managed to swap powers?

“ad victoriam”

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arte et marte

#85722 Apr 11, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Christianity was and is founded by Jesus, he called his twelve disciples and apostles, that propagated the gospel of Christ.


Those who believe Jesus was resurrected say Jesus founded it,
which would be true if the resurrection was.
Sorry Charlie, nobody ever came back from dead, and if they did...
you would run away as fast as you could.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

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#85723 Apr 11, 2013
superwilly wrote:
Goodness has this degenerated into a cowpie slingfest!
Not, alas, for the first time.

Nor, I suspect, the last.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

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#85724 Apr 11, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
Atheists are well-behaved and we seem to play well with others overall.
Atheists are not in the news, like the Christian right, for getting caught doing things they tell others not to do. You know…those nasty little sexual things.
Atheists almost always co-exist peacefully with religious believing family and friends.
Atheists pay taxes just like the religious believers do.
Atheists are waaay under represented in jails and prisons…we’re actually pretty moral people.
Atheists don’t start wars on behalf of atheism…unlike religion.
They do join the military however, and contrary to clichéd belief, they are found in foxholes.
Atheists believe strongly in America and the whole American Constitution, but particularly the First Amendment that separates church and state.
Atheists are secularists who support a government free from influence by any religion. We are not anti-religious, we are Non-Religious.
Atheists don’t take up a lot of space. The non-religious/atheist/agnostic members of American society only add up to a little less than 18% of the whole population…but we are growing.
Atheists make good neighbors. Chances are, if you live next door, or work with an atheist, you will never know it.
Atheists in general, are much more supportive of women’s rights and for their right to control their own bodies and lives without church or state interference.
Unlike the religious right people, atheists don’t like to get into other peoples business and dictate how they should live….what they should do or not do. You know…like who you should marry.
Atheists are not known for going door-to-door to convert people to our way of thinking. We are however, known to help our friends and neighbors with no thought of there being a heavenly reward in it for us.
Unlike many of the present Republican presidential candidates and the religious right in general Atheists do not advocate or align themselves with groups who want to take over our government and reshape America into a religiously ruled theocracy…you know, kinda’ like the Middle Eastern Islamic states.
Atheists, unlike the Republican Right, the Tea-Party, and the religious right, do not go around with guns in meetings and say the President will never take their guns away, or wishing the president would fail and generally disrespecting the President and the office. Or call him ni_ger behind his back.
Atheists mostly do know a lot about religion, as many were raised in a religious family, and they tend to research and know their positions really well. In recent national polling about religious knowledge, atheists knew more than any religious sub-group.
Hmmm…could it be…could the atheists actually be better citizens and better people to know than theists??? I know I never disrespect, with malice, someone for believing the ‘wrong thing’…I just like to get into friendly arguments/debates with them.
And remember…Atheism cures religious terrorism
Nicely put, sir! Permission to steal bits, with attribution?

Although I usually am armed...

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