Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 205611 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“the end-times is now”

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#79864 Mar 9, 2013
"There is no evidence of "intelligence"

really ??.. tell me the difference between a rock and an Indian arrowhead

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#79865 Mar 9, 2013
His-truth wrote:
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not at all ... micro can view changes w/in a species .. however .. species to species is not proven .. only presumed
Wrong again. We have more than enough evidence in genetics alone that shows evolution happened. ERV's are a slam dunk for evolution all by themselves. Creatards have no answer for them.

“the end-times is now”

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#79866 Mar 9, 2013
is this one to tough ??.. I'm feeln like a knap

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#79867 Mar 9, 2013
His-truth wrote:
"There is no evidence of "intelligence"
really ??.. tell me the difference between a rock and an Indian arrowhead
Alright, first define what you mean by "intelligence". If you mean that godidit then no, there is no evidence for intelligence. An arrowhead can be demonstrated to have been made by man. We can show a man making one. And before you try to compare an arrowhead to life here is one simple question that you should ask yourself: "Can an arrowhead reproduce?"

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#79868 Mar 9, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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so your trying to use an example of cause and effect to show that a effect can and happen without a cause?
If ice is simple cause and effect, why can't the origin of the universe be as well?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#79869 Mar 9, 2013
His-truth wrote:
"There is no evidence of "intelligence"
really ??.. tell me the difference between a rock and an Indian arrowhead
Rocks are the result of natural processes.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#79870 Mar 9, 2013
His-truth wrote:
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not at all ... micro can view changes w/in a species .. however .. species to species is not proven .. only presumed
Okay, so the skin coloring of the species can change.

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#79871 Mar 9, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Wrong again. We have more than enough evidence in genetics alone that shows evolution happened. ERV's are a slam dunk for evolution all by themselves. Creatards have no answer for them.
are you telling me evolution explains origin ??.. Y/N

“what we think we become”

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#79872 Mar 9, 2013
adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>God is just as much a fact as the unknown person who you spoke with the other night. You cannot scientifically prove he/she ever existed or that you actually spoke with someone either. It doesn't change the fact that you spoke with someone. A deceased man is found alongside the road with no identification or identifying marks and his identity is completely unknown- No scientific test provides answers to his identity. He didn't magically appear once he died and was found.
The point wasn't that God existed, it was that science doesn't mean he doesn't exist and the very premise of science could be his creation to boot. There is nothing restricting a God to the bounds of science and any violation of any scientific principle means absolutely nothing in regards to any reality pertaining to a God. It only means that he isn't scientifically testable. Holding someone to the standard of proof scientifically else it isn't true is not even scientific in and of itself. For years, alchemist and metallurgist have attempted to turn lead into gold. The failed but it did not mean it was not possible, only that we didn't know how to do it as recently, we have figured it out in small amounts in a lab setting. So the lack of scientific evidence does not mean something does not exist, only that we have no scientific evidence that it does.
Exactly. They want God to pass the scientific method. How absurd is that? Why would God that created the entire universe become a science experiment? Even if science could provide evidence and can show it to be testable, it would still not have scientific explanation for its entire being. God is beyond the realm of science and human logic. Science can only get a glimpse of it but not be able to fully explain it. In fact, we can't even use the scientific method for the origin of all the universes because the laws of physics that we know are bounded in our planet. We can't even apply the same laws of physics in Pluto and yet we try to explain blackholes and the big bang with these current laws. We do know that elements are manufactured in the stars, but can it be testable? Then why would they come up with excuses that there are no intelligent life in other planets or galaxies because we can't possibly reach them and yet they have scientific theories for how stars are formed despite the fact that there is no way we can get to even the nearest star in a lifetime.

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#79873 Mar 9, 2013
"Creatards" ... now you're just showing me you're not worthy of discussion ... apologize

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#79874 Mar 9, 2013
His-truth wrote:
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are you telling me evolution explains origin ??.. Y/N
Can the skin color of a species change?

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#79875 Mar 9, 2013
His-truth wrote:
"Creatards" ... now you're just showing me you're not worthy of discussion ... apologize
No. Creatards is an apt descriptive term for most creationists.

If you refuse to look at evidence. If you don't even know the meaning of evidence. If you go to lying sites for science after it is explained to you how they lie and some of them even openly admit that they will lie. Then you are a creatard.

Sadly this word applies to far too many creationists.

I have not called you a creatard yet. You have not shown that you fully deserve it, though you have been going to creatard sites for your "science".

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#79876 Mar 9, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Can the skin color of a species change?
I'm sure it can

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#79877 Mar 9, 2013
His-truth wrote:
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are you telling me evolution explains origin ??.. Y/N
Origins of different species or the origin of life itself?

The answer to the first is yes, the answer to the second is no. The origin of life itself is the study of abiogenesis, a separate but related subject. By the way, technically even creationists believe in abiogenesis.
Kipling

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#79878 Mar 9, 2013
His-truth wrote:
"Creatards" ... now you're just showing me you're not worthy of discussion ... apologize
You ever see those parades in Mexico?
You know the ones with the big heads on average size body's?

Well when Sub zone joins he doesn't have to put on a fake head his head is big enough on its own.

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#79879 Mar 9, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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I already pointed out that the link gave no scientific reference so I never actually made a commentary on how valid it was either way. I just pointed out how you were dishonestly cherry-picking what was convenient. THEN I pointed out that YOUR error margin was greater than SIX THOUSAND percent. So I worry very little about whatever ad-homs you throw my way, all things considered.(shrug)
apparently science had been keeping that one kinda low key...I wonder why?

ScienceDaily: Your source for the latest research news and science breakthroughs -- updated daily

When The Earth Dried Out

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/02/...

Many geologists agree with this scenario, Moores said. What is controversial is how quickly the Earth changed from a planet covered in water with a few mountainous islands to one with large continental landmasses. According to Moores' theory, the continents emerged quite suddenly, over about 200 million years, at the same time that the supercontinent Rodinia was forming.
adif understanding

Little Hocking, OH

#79880 Mar 9, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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There is no micro or macro evolution. It is all evolution. Creationists have never been able to prove that there is a limit to evolution or where that limit is.
Evolution is still the winner. There is no evidence of "intelligence".
Actually, there is a macro and micro. It is the dividing point in which people claim a species evolves as it's own and when a species evolves into another. The bubble theory of evolution states something of the sorts that the RNA sequent were created like bubbles of foam in the wave action of the ocean. If you tested the foam, it wouldn't be the same 10 meters apart and the primordial soup that generated life was created similar to that. This means that all species are formed at one time and did not evolve from other species outside of semantics used to segregate the timeline of evolution. In other words, a species did not evolve from common ancestors but from unique ancestors and all the diversity in life we see comes from microevolution of the same species created in the same or similar events.

Of course this is just theory as well as the evidence of panspermia events that could cause the same things to happen. The macro evolution or speciation as the creationist and atheist like to call it, has not been observed directly and there is no transitional fossils without employing semantics (manipulation of language) to make findings fit. There is no one universal definition for species and all speciation events attempt to employ up to 5 different ones in order to make the claims.

There was an interesting discussion a while back which included some prominent evolutionist. It came down to the diversity of dogs in which there are so many different species that if we did not have a living specimens to go by and all we had was a fossil record, applying these same rules would have required the majority of breeds of dogs to be classified as different species yet because they are live and well among us, we treat them as breeds or types of the same species.

And as I said in another post, in science, the lack of evidence only means there is a lack of evidence, not that something did not happen, could not happen, or would not happen- only that we do not know if it did or will happen.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#79881 Mar 9, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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apparently science had been keeping that one kinda low key...I wonder why?
ScienceDaily: Your source for the latest research news and science breakthroughs -- updated daily
When The Earth Dried Out
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/02/...
Many geologists agree with this scenario, Moores said. What is controversial is how quickly the Earth changed from a planet covered in water with a few mountainous islands to one with large continental landmasses. According to Moores' theory, the continents emerged quite suddenly, over about 200 million years, at the same time that the supercontinent Rodinia was forming.
There is a huge difference between quite suddenly for geologists and quite suddenly for creationists. It still took 200 million years for the first continents to form.

I know you are tying to defend flood nonsense, but the fact that over a billion years ago the Earth may have been covered with water is not the route to take.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#79882 Mar 9, 2013
adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, there is a macro and micro. It is the dividing point in which people claim a species evolves as it's own and when a species evolves into another. The bubble theory of evolution states something of the sorts that the RNA sequent were created like bubbles of foam in the wave action of the ocean. If you tested the foam, it wouldn't be the same 10 meters apart and the primordial soup that generated life was created similar to that. This means that all species are formed at one time and did not evolve from other species outside of semantics used to segregate the timeline of evolution. In other words, a species did not evolve from common ancestors but from unique ancestors and all the diversity in life we see comes from microevolution of the same species created in the same or similar events.
Of course this is just theory as well as the evidence of panspermia events that could cause the same things to happen. The macro evolution or speciation as the creationist and atheist like to call it, has not been observed directly and there is no transitional fossils without employing semantics (manipulation of language) to make findings fit. There is no one universal definition for species and all speciation events attempt to employ up to 5 different ones in order to make the claims.
There was an interesting discussion a while back which included some prominent evolutionist. It came down to the diversity of dogs in which there are so many different species that if we did not have a living specimens to go by and all we had was a fossil record, applying these same rules would have required the majority of breeds of dogs to be classified as different species yet because they are live and well among us, we treat them as breeds or types of the same species.
And as I said in another post, in science, the lack of evidence only means there is a lack of evidence, not that something did not happen, could not happen, or would not happen- only that we do not know if it did or will happen.
What are you smoking? You are not describing anything that the modern or any theory of evolution describes.

When monumental idiocy of this sort appears I demand links.

I don't think you will be able to find any.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#79883 Mar 9, 2013
His-truth wrote:
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I'm sure it can
Then could the hair coverage change in the species after that?

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