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“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#76857 Feb 21, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.asp...
"While to the 21st-century reader these statements may initially appear to contradict one another, in reality, they harmonize perfectly if one understands the different, and sometimes more liberal, methods ancients often used when reckoning time. In the first century, any part of a day could be computed for the whole day and the night following it (cf. Lightfoot, 1979, pp. 210-211). The Jerusalem Talmudquotes rabbi Eleazar ben Azariah, who lived around A.D. 100, as saying:“A day and night are an Onah [‘a portion of time’] and the portion of an Onah is as the whole of it”(fromJerusalem Talmud: Shabbath ix. 3, as quoted in Hoehner, 1974, pp. 248-249, bracketed comment in orig.). Azariah indicated that a portion of a 24-hour period could be considered the same “as the whole of it.” Thus, as awkward as it may sound to an American living in the 21st century, a person in ancient times could legitimately speak of something occurring “on the third day,”“after three days,” or after “three days and three nights,” yet still be referring to the same exact day."
All that says is that you are making it up as you go along.

Since: Apr 12

Taizhou, China

#76858 Feb 21, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
He is the same today, yesterday and forever.

I wrote:
Then why does Luke 2:52 say that "Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man"?

Charles Idemi wrote:
Remember, Jesus came in the form of flesh, to be born of a woman.
So, he must grow definitely from being a child to an adult.

And thats supposed to reconcile Luke 2:52 with your statement that Jesus is the same today, yesterday and forever?
If so, I don't understand. Please explain further.
If not, thank you for the red herring.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

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#76860 Feb 21, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
Hawass is a bid difficult and more than a little controlling. But I suppose he's done a better job than some of his predecessors.
Some years ago, when I was in Giza, they were doing one of those radar studies to see if they could find any new tombs or the like. Never heard if they did but I understand they doing that again.
Aye he's that, and that's an understatement.
I think he's doing fine in excavating the basement of the museum.
But none get permission that do not promote the old Egyptologists ideas.
If dating tends to show younger dates we hear nothing of it anymore.
We end up with the Giza pyramid build in the first millenium, given the dating on the bread making facility, for the workers.

The brotherhood wants to destroy everything. So maybe it's a good thing that things stay buried, and we can enjoy the virtual landscape.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

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#76861 Feb 21, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.asp...
"While to the 21st-century reader these statements may initially appear to contradict one another, in reality, they harmonize perfectly if one understands the different, and sometimes more liberal, methods ancients often used when reckoning time. In the first century, any part of a day could be computed for the whole day and the night following it (cf. Lightfoot, 1979, pp. 210-211). The Jerusalem Talmudquotes rabbi Eleazar ben Azariah, who lived around A.D. 100, as saying:“A day and night are an Onah [‘a portion of time’] and the portion of an Onah is as the whole of it”(fromJerusalem Talmud: Shabbath ix. 3, as quoted in Hoehner, 1974, pp. 248-249, bracketed comment in orig.). Azariah indicated that a portion of a 24-hour period could be considered the same “as the whole of it.” Thus, as awkward as it may sound to an American living in the 21st century, a person in ancient times could legitimately speak of something occurring “on the third day,”“after three days,” or after “three days and three nights,” yet still be referring to the same exact day."
You just quote any old thing.

New Moon - A small crescent sliver of moon is visible. The first day that the moon is visible after the dark moon and up to three days after that .
Attested any and everywhere in the ANE since the bronze age.

Johan out at sea means the sea is compared to sheol.

And as to your link, if Azariah is of the rabbiniacl jews and not the karaites he would know when things are meant to be taken as metaphore and not literal.

Have christians ever not taken it literal...is more to the point.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

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#76862 Feb 21, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
One would think that you would know to read the bible using language as it was when written. I guess that's too much to ask of an atheist they have an agenda to carry out!
This is a perfect example of an Atheist that DOES believe there is no God.
Not an atheist that has an absence of all believe.
Merriam-Webster
athe·ist\ˈā-thē-ist\
noun
: one who believes that there is no deity
Point proven yet again!
What ? that you can quote a dictionary.

The point I raised is still valid. YHWH will be as long as man does not venture above the stars or the foundations of the earth (be that for 3 days or less is of no matter.)
Then maybe you could have a point with 'onah', but i find three days and three nights pretty specific.
(i could google, but i know i'm repeating myself and don't know exactly where.) But 3 days at the heart/foundations of the earth, would thus be not be a comparison with jonah unless the earth has become like the sea sheol.
It only shows that they ha no knowledge of the verse stating man had no business there for then god would die.

(The exact terms used heart/foundation would be more interesting!)

So you can be ticked of with some interpretation, but that's no reason to act all bitchy.

Since: Mar 11

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#76863 Feb 21, 2013
Only my dying will tell

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

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#76864 Feb 21, 2013
chapeter verse? Eloteman.

http://bible.cc/ezekiel/28-2.htm
(Here one can also read up as to what the actual sin of Sodom was...not being hospitable.)
Ezek.28 allready makes clear that the relam above the stars are forbidden turf.

But i'll look on for the actual verse.

Since: Apr 12

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#76865 Feb 21, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>Nope, 2 nights one day. He predicted 3 full days and nights. It is nice to see that Langy cannot count either. He was "dead" half of the time that he predicted himself to be in your very own Bible.
More BS from SZ, Go Figure!

SZ loves spreading his form of fertilizer rather then learning the truth.

SZ if you can read try and read this it will answer all your question about Jesus and his 3 days of death before he rose again.

Part 1
"Matthew 12:40 and discover the true story. Jesus said, "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Now turn to John 11:9 and read this rhetorical question by Jesus, "Are there not twelve hours of daylight?" By putting these two verses together we see Jesus establishes he would spend in the heart of the earth 36 hours (3x12) for day and 36 hours (3x12) for night. Therefore, we know the three days and three nights he spoke of in Matthew 12 would have to equal 72 hours. In John 19:31 we read, "Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath…" Therefore, we see that the Sabbath in John 19:31 is not the regular Saturday Sabbath observed on
non-festival weeks, but rather a special Passover Sabbath, which commenced on Wednesday at sunset, rather than Friday at sunset. Not only did it start on Wednesday at sunset... but it continued on through three days until Saturday at sunset when the Passover celebration ended. This is why you read about the women returning to Jesus' tomb early on the first day of the week (Sunday). This is because the special 3 day Sabbath had ended and they were very eager to get back to the tomb to add more spices to his body. So now that we see Jesus was crucified on Wednesday, let's go to Luke 23: 44-46 to pinpoint the time he died. "It was now about the sixth hour, and darkness came over the whole land until the ninth hour… Jesus called out with a loud voice, Father into your hands I commit
my spirit. When he had said this, he breathed his last." When it says the ninth hour, it means the ninth hour since the break of day. In other words, it was about three o'clock in the afternoon when Jesus died. Then after obtaining permission from Pilate,(which could have easily taken 1-2 hours) Jesus was taken down from the cross and hurriedly buried just before sundown, probably sometime around 6:00 p.m. Remember that Jewish Sabbath days begins at sundown on one day and end at sundown the next. In Leviticus 23:32, God stated, "From the evening… until the following evening you are to observe your Sabbath." So if you count 72 hours from late Wednesday afternoon at around 5-6:00 p.m., you will see that Jesus would have risen and left his tomb at around 5-6:00 p.m. on Saturday. Therefore, a Sunday resurrection is not what the Bible reveals to us at all. We do read in Luke 24: 1-3, "On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus." Clearly, those who arrived at the tomb early Sunday morning discovered an empty tomb, not Jesus rising from the dead in front of them. So to answer your question… "How did Jesus die on Friday and rise on Sunday and is said to have been dead for 3 days?" He didn't die on Friday… being the Son of God, his divine spirit departed his human body while on the cross Wednesday afternoon, his earthly body was then placed in a tomb near sunset that same day. "

Since: Apr 12

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#76866 Feb 21, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>Nope, 2 nights one day. He predicted 3 full days and nights. It is nice to see that Langy cannot count either. He was "dead" half of the time that he predicted himself to be in your very own Bible.
Part 2
"His spirit returned to his body at sunset on Saturday to resurrect as a glorified earthly body. His body was soon discovered missing from the tomb early Sunday morning by his followers.
Which begs the question - where did his spirit go for those three days? Many bible verses are involved, but the summary is this... he went to Paradise (in the heart of the earth) and took all there to heaven. Paradise was a temporal place for believers of the "Coming Messiah" from the Garden of Eden to The Cross. The last person to enter Paradise was one of the criminals who hung on the cross next to Jesus. The reason believers of the "Coming Messiah" could not enter heaven upon their death, was due to the fact that Jesus had to die on the cross for the sins of all mankind - past, present and
future so they could obtain right standing with God through the substitutionary atonement of His death on the cross. Jesus rightfully so... went straight to Paradise to bring the Old Testament believers to heaven, as they now had right standing with God. In Paradise were famous believers like Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Daniel, Jeremiah, and many others too numerous to list. As well as the throngs of nameless believers of the Old Testament. Therefore, Jesus was quite busy those three days with moving multitudes of believers from Paradise to Heaven, and getting them settled into their new mansion homes in heaven. What a glorious time that must have been! Three days later, he returned to his human body on earth, rose from the dead, and remained on earth for an additional forty days. He performed many important tasks during this time, with the most important being to prepare the disciples for the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, ten days after his ascension, on the Day of Pentecost. "

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_did_Jesus_die_o...

Since: Apr 12

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#76867 Feb 21, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>One would think that a god would be able to keep better control over the translations of his holy word so as not to confuse his people.
Hmmmm could mikef be insulting to Christians on purpose?

Or maybe he just doesn't know proper
English.

"Indeed, it would be rather juvenile to misspell God simply in order to insult theists. If such an atheist had so little respect for another person, why even waste the time writing to them in the first place, much less deliberately trying to hurt them at the same time? While that may actually be the case with some atheists who write the word 'god' with a lowercase 'g,' "

http://atheism.about.com/od/doesgodexist/a/ca...

"The use of capitalization, as for a proper noun, has persisted to disambiguate the concept of a singular God, specifically the Christian God, from pagan deities for which lower case god has continued to be applied, mirroring the use of Latin deus. Pronouns referring to God are also often capitalized and are traditionally in the masculine gender, i.e. "He", "Him", "His" etc. However, some people have referred to God in feminine terms, such as "She" and "Her". "

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_ (word)

"god-– Lowercase this when used as a prefix. Examples: godchild, goddaughter, godfather, godlike, godliness, godmother, godsend, godson, godspeed. Do not hyphenate
gods and goddesses – Capitalize God and similar names of the deity of a monotheistic religion: Allah, God, God the Father, Holy Ghost, Holy Spirit, Jehovah, Jesus Christ, the Redeemer, the Son of God, the Son of Man, Yahweh. Lowercase the personal pronouns he, him, thee, they, thou, who, whose, in references to monotheistic deities. Lowercase gods andgoddesses in references to the deities of polytheistic religions, but capitalize formal names. Lowercase god in references to false gods. He made money her god."

http://www.gcsu.edu/communications/g.htm

Since: Apr 12

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#76868 Feb 21, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>Must grasp at straws.

Sorry, that excuse does not fly when he specifically claims that he will be buried three days and three nights. Read the verse again. That can apply if you use a very very liberal definition of "day", and that was not the definition of "day" at that time since a day went from sunset to sunset.

So your own book disagrees with itself. Of course this is just one of many many self contradictions in the Bible. And there will always be people who try to explain the errors away.
I thought that was interesting.
But no the Bible does not conflict with its self.

Again part 1

"Matthew 12:40 and discover the true story. Jesus said, "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Now turn to John 11:9 and read this rhetorical question by Jesus, "Are there not twelve hours of daylight?" By putting these two verses together we see Jesus establishes he would spend in the heart of the earth 36 hours (3x12) for day and 36 hours (3x12) for night. Therefore, we know the three days and three nights he spoke of in Matthew 12 would have to equal 72 hours. In John 19:31 we read, "Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath…" Therefore, we see that the Sabbath in John 19:31 is not the regular Saturday Sabbath observed on non-festival weeks, but rather a special Passover Sabbath, which commenced on Wednesday at sunset, rather than Friday at sunset. Not only did it start on Wednesday at sunset... but it continued on through three days until Saturday at sunset when the Passover celebration ended. This is why you read about the women returning to Jesus' tomb early on the first day of the week (Sunday). This is because the special 3 day Sabbath had ended and they were very eager to get back to the tomb to add more spices to his body."

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#76869 Feb 21, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>I Must grasp at straws.
.
Part 2

"So now that we see Jesus was crucified on Wednesday, let's go to Luke 23: 44-46 to pinpoint the time he died. "It was now about the sixth hour, and darkness came over the whole land until the ninth hour… Jesus called out with a loud voice, Father into your hands I commit
my spirit. When he had said this, he breathed his last." When it says the ninth hour, it means the ninth hour since the break of day. In other words, it was about three o'clock in the afternoon when Jesus died. Then after obtaining permission from Pilate,(which could have easily taken 1-2 hours) Jesus was taken down from the cross and hurriedly buried just before sundown, probably sometime around 6:00 p.m. Remember that Jewish Sabbath days begins at sundown on one day and end at sundown the next. In Leviticus 23:32, God stated, "From the evening… until the following evening you are to observe your Sabbath." So if you count 72 hours from late Wednesday afternoon at around 5-6:00 p.m., you will see that Jesus would have risen and left his tomb at around 5-6:00 p.m. on Saturday. Therefore, a Sunday resurrection is not what the Bible reveals to us at all. We do read in Luke 24: 1-3, "On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus." Clearly, those who arrived at the tomb early Sunday morning discovered an empty tomb, not Jesus rising from the dead in front of them. So to answer your question… "How did Jesus die on Friday and rise on Sunday and is said to have been dead for 3 days?" He didn't die on Friday… being the Son of God, his divine spirit departed his human body while on the cross Wednesday afternoon, his earthly body was then placed in a tomb near sunset that same day. His spirit returned to his body at sunset on Saturday to resurrect as a glorified earthly body. His body was soon discovered missing from the tomb early Sunday morning by his followers.
Which begs the question - where did his spirit go for those three days? Many bible verses are involved, but the summary is this... he went to Paradise (in the heart of the earth) and took all there to heaven. Paradise was a temporal place for believers of the "Coming Messiah" from the Garden of Eden to The Cross. The last person to enter Paradise was one of the criminals who hung on the cross next to Jesus. The reason believers of the "Coming Messiah" could not enter heaven upon their death, was due to the fact that Jesus had to die on the cross for the sins of all mankind - past, present and
future so they could obtain right standing with God through the substitutionary atonement of His death on the cross. Jesus rightfully so... went straight to Paradise to bring the Old Testament believers to heaven, as they now had right standing with God. In Paradise were famous believers like Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Daniel, Jeremiah, and many others too numerous to list. As well as the throngs of nameless believers of the Old Testament. Therefore, Jesus was quite busy those three days with moving multitudes of believers from Paradise to Heaven, and getting them settled into their new mansion homes in heaven. What a glorious time that must have been! Three days later, he returned to his human body on earth, rose from the dead, and remained on earth for an additional forty days. He performed many important tasks during this time, with the most important being to prepare the disciples for the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, ten days after his ascension, on the Day of Pentecost. "

Since: Feb 13

Fort Myers, FL

#76870 Feb 21, 2013
We were created by aliens that look similar to us only bigger and more intelligent. They came from nibiru or Planet X. All the facts are there the Sumerians wrote about all of this in stone tablets.

Since: Apr 12

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#76871 Feb 21, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>All that says is that you are making it up as you go along.
I like the new hair cut!

Much better.

Since: Apr 12

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#76872 Feb 21, 2013
MAAT wrote:
<quoted text>You just quote any old thing.

New Moon - A small crescent sliver of moon is visible. The first day that the moon is visible after the dark moon and up to three days after that .
Attested any and everywhere in the ANE since the bronze age.

Johan out at sea means the sea is compared to sheol.

And as to your link, if Azariah is of the rabbiniacl jews and not the karaites he would know when things are meant to be taken as metaphore and not literal.

Have christians ever not taken it literal...is more to the point.
No not just any old thing I really that this guy was pretty funny. Had to post it. The real stuff has been posted.

Since: Apr 12

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#76873 Feb 21, 2013
TaylorChristineCreations wrote:
We were created by aliens that look similar to us only bigger and more intelligent. They came from nibiru or Planet X. All the facts are there the Sumerians wrote about all of this in stone tablets.
That is great reading!

6000 years old. I love those.

"bigger and more intelligent. "
Did I mention that I'm one of them?

LOL

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

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#76874 Feb 21, 2013
MAAT wrote:
chapeter verse? Eloteman.
http://bible.cc/ezekiel/28-2.htm
(Here one can also read up as to what the actual sin of Sodom was...not being hospitable.)
Ezek.28 allready makes clear that the relam above the stars are forbidden turf.
But i'll look on for the actual verse.
Jeremiah 31:37 the other part.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

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#76875 Feb 21, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
No not just any old thing I really that this guy was pretty funny. Had to post it. The real stuff has been posted.
The real stuff and the simili to onah just being trivialia?
Well i must have missed that real stuff then.

Unless i start self-referencing. The moonphase etc.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

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#76876 Feb 21, 2013
ah former page treife. You should read church history and adaptation of the calendar.

It might sound cute to you but it's not.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#76877 Feb 21, 2013
Oh Langy, no one tells a Christian joke like you do.
Face it, your Bible contradicts itself. I do love how you trip all over your own feet trying pathetically to prove otherwise.

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