Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> I don't take shit for an answer. The universe can not just evolve with out a maker.
you have proof of that? no you don't. another proven lie from Chip...sad...very sad. your mother must be hanging her head in shame...
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<quoted text>here i am1 we know that all the parts of the goo ae common parts of the universe!
there you go. we know they had to be here on the primordial earth.
Goo with that!
I have all the parts for a chocolate cake in the kitchen, how long will it take for it to self assemble?
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Logical fail by bohart. It is up to him to find evidence for his invisible friend. Logic all but demands that without evidence that we do not believe in his nonsense.
Thats not an answer, just a God attack, which is the basis of all for you, you simply try to cloak your hatred for God with some type of scientific jargon, and when that fails here comes the flood, invisible friend, skydaddy, flying spaghetti monster, etc, etc.
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You are begging the question. Where is your evidence for your creator. Milton was a writer and not a scientist. He has no authority of any sort to make such a proclamation.
Without evidence you lose.
Life is evidence of a creator, as is the incredible world and universe. Now if you can show that life can create itself , I'll reconsider,

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> I don't take shit for an answer. The universe can not just evolve with out a maker.
The maker cannot exist without a maker.

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I have all the parts for a chocolate cake in the kitchen, how long will it take for it to self assemble?
if you hve all the ingredients for cake, life is already here...

your not so good at that whole logic thing, huh? we knew that already..

care to try again?

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bohart wrote:
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Thats not an answer, just a God attack, which is the basis of all for you, you simply try to cloak your hatred for God with some type of scientific jargon, and when that fails here comes the flood, invisible friend, skydaddy, flying spaghetti monster, etc, etc.
How can one hate something that does not exist? So far every thing on earth has been explainable by nature and science. The only real question left is the creation of the universe. We just don't know. It's possible that it's been here forever. I just can't imagine its all because of some deranged god who's been playing with us all these years.
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woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>here i am1 we know that all the parts of the goo ae common parts of the universe!
there you go. we know they had to be here on the primordial earth.
Goo with that!
All the parts for the goo are common and in the universe eh ? how will they self assemble and come to life? If you attempt to give a scientific answer it must include a testable hypothesis with repeatable results, or it's just a belief.Take your time.

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The maker cannot exist without a maker.
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How can one hate something that does not exist? So far every thing on earth has been explainable by nature and science. The only real question left is the creation of the universe. We just don't know. It's possible that it's been here forever. I just can't imagine its all because of some deranged god who's been playing with us all these years.
Deranged God?, thanks for proving my point, Ha,Ha,Ha.

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bohart wrote:
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Life is evidence of a creator, as is the incredible world and universe. Now if you can show that life can create itself , I'll reconsider,
no, that is not evidence. you don't really know what that word means, do you?
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All the parts for the goo are common and in the universe eh ? how will they self assemble and come to life? If you attempt to give a scientific answer it must include a testable hypothesis with repeatable results, or it's just a belief.Take your time.
There is an enormous Body of Evidence as well as Evidence of common descent of living things discovered by scientists working in a variety of fields over the past 150 years, the most recent being the Human Genome Project (HGP) completed in 2003. This evidence has “demonstrated and verified” the occurrence of evolution and provided a wealth of information on the natural processes by which the variety and diversity of life on Earth developed. This evidence supports the modern evolutionary synthesis, the current scientific theory that explains how life developed and why life changes over time.

Goose Bumps
Jacobson’s Organ
Junk DNA
Extra Ear Muscles
Plantaris Muscle
Wisdom Teeth
Third Eyelid
Darwin’s Point
Coccyx
Appendix
Laryngeal nerve

Evidence of common descent:
Evolution is a process that has always gone on in the history of the earth can be doubted only by those who are ignorant of the evidence or are resistant to evidence, owing to emotional blocks or to plain bigotry. By contrast, the mechanisms that bring evolution about certainly need study and clarification. There are no alternatives to evolution as history that can withstand critical examination. Yet we are constantly learning new and important facts about evolutionary mechanisms. How can one ignore the enormous Body of Evidence that has not only withstood the onslaught of time but is getting more robust every day!

Surely you know the difference between ‘evidence’ and ‘proof’, the extensive evidence in support of both fact and theory of evolution comes primarily from studies of the fossil record, molecular sequences, and comparative anatomy. I can't really say there is one "best" piece of evidence for evolution. There are many, many different lines of evidence, and each of them fits together to make an entire picture. But if you had to hold me down with a hot poker, I'd say that the most powerful evidence is the homology of form and DNA shown not only in adult organisms, but in their developing embryos, which pass through more similar stages the more closely related they are. You can read more about this here:

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/...

http://evolution.berkeley.edu
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bohart wrote:
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Get back to me when you have evidence of the magic goo.
Sorry, creationism is YOUR bag, not ours. Keep beating up that straw-man Bo. That's all you liars can do.

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Charles Idemi, was the majority right in Galileo's time?
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bohart wrote:
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No it's just a great line by Milton to describe how the created has the nerve to tell the creator how to do the job.
Yes, and you are one of those people doing EXACTLY that. Creationists do it all the time.

Why can't the creator have used evolution and chemical abiogenesis?

In short, why is God limited so, and how were these limitations determined in an objective manner via the scientific method?

Of course all the above is moot until you can actually demonstrate this creator of yours even exists yet.
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bohart wrote:
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Create life through your chemical process,
Happens all the time. Go check any maternity ward. Life created purely from natural chemical processes.
bohart wrote:
unless of course you just told the favorite puddle gooist lie. Yep you did.
Actually I did not. There was NOTHING in there that was a lie. I leave the lying to ignorant creationists.

That IS why you avoided addressing the actual content of my posts.

As usual.

Keep ignoring that 9th Commandment. Remember, God is watching you...
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bohart wrote:
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Lets try something her Dud, as your fellow puddle gooist Poly 257 has posted, " Without testable hypotheses and repeatable results , all you have is personal opinion, not actual knowledge"....Now , Has life coming from goo passed the test, No, has it been repeated No, so all you have left is the Evangelical puddle gooist church of the faithful.
If that were the case they would not be doing any research on it. That alone belies your claims which are really nothing more than a prime example of projecting your own failings onto others.

But again, did you notice how you COMPLETELY avoided what I posted? Including the main point I was making - that you keep placing limits on your god. And I pointed out that your ignorant opinions are not capable of restricting the actions of an entity that likes to creates universes as a hobby in its spare time.

That's why it was DELICIOUSLY ironic when you posted that line from Milton. Apparently you never understood it.

Ah well, ce la vie.
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bohart wrote:
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Life is evidence of a creator, as is the incredible world and universe. Now if you can show that life can create itself , I'll reconsider,
Who created the creator(God(s))...where the evidence?A book and 2000 years to craft artifacts and lies to keep a business operating is NOT evidence. Its brainwashing at the most primitive........its working quite well....on the gullible and weakminded.
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bohart wrote:
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I have all the parts for a chocolate cake in the kitchen, how long will it take for it to self assemble?
How many times have we pointed out that this analogy is an epic fail?

Are chocolate cakes an example of self-replicating organisms?

Your faulty logic is based on the predication that an intelligent agent "must" be somehow responsible for everything.
bohart wrote:
<quoted text>Thats not an answer, just a God attack, which is the basis of all for you, you simply try to cloak your hatred for God with some type of scientific jargon, and when that fails here comes the flood, invisible friend, skydaddy, flying spaghetti monster, etc, etc.
This is nothing more than you whining about the fact that you have zero evidence. You ARE arguing for an invisible entity that has zero scientific evidence. The FSM DOES in fact demonstrate a rather good point that ANY other potential invisible entities are ALL also just EQUALLY likely. FSM. Invisible Pink Unicorn. Aliens. Cosmic Sheep.

Not one of these is less likely or less stupid than an invisible Jewish wizard.
bohart wrote:
<quoted text>Life is evidence of a creator, as is the incredible world and universe.
Actually that is, as usual, completely and totally and utterly incorrect. Life is evidence only of life. The universe is evidence only of the universe.

Remember, this is why the theory of gravity doesn't explain the origin of mass. But since we HAVE mass then the theory works, and does not have to address its origin.
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Now if you can show that life can create itself , I'll reconsider,
Plants.

See? That was easy wasn't it?

But since we both know you're referring to abio then we're quite happy to admit that no-one knows for sure the specifics of how it happened yet. But it STILL has no bearing on the validity of the theory of evolution.

Unless you deny the theory of gravity. So go ahead and do so.
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Deranged God?, thanks for proving my point, Ha,Ha,Ha.
You have none. You never have.

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