Evolution vs. Creation

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008. Read more

““You must not lose faith ”

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#74280 Feb 6, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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No one is refuting real science here.
Yeah that's true...
Shubee is a contender from time to time.
And i had a discussion with one researcher that was too optimistic with blast, and i was too polite to tell him.(20% without anyting else going for it is trash...your blast should show 80% to at least have a blind go....)

But nevertheless, puny para-science:

xxxooxxx wrote:
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If a theory was 100% certain, then it would be a fact and not a theory.
Terryl: How hard do you have to work to maintain that level of ignorace? Consantly shutting out reality must take a lot of effort

Well to me, Cybele, that reads as if your statement is in doubt.

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#74281 Feb 6, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> God bless!
I'll be darned, god blessing a lyer through the mouth of a nay-sayer.
WITCH!

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#74282 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Then all the other relid=gions would also have fdied out as they cannot all be true...Hmm....
you just disproved your own theorum...
face it..your religious cult was proved to be a lie a long time ago. quit trying to make it real form proven lies....
Yes we have thousands of other religions, but Christianity stands out. Thanks to archaeology.

Since: Apr 12

Taizhou, China

#74283 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
It makes no logical sense when so few mutations occur, and so few of the mutations result in positive natural selection.
I agree.
On the surface, it seems logical.
If you add a smaller positive integer and a larger negative integer, you get a negative integer.
But it doesn't work that way.

If you run for office and your opponent gets more votes than you do, you lose the election.
But it doesn't work that way.

Rather, this is how it works:
favorable mutations are inherited, unfavorable mutations are not.
An unfavorable mutation could hurt a member's chances of surviving until child-bearing age.
An unfavorable mutation could also render a member unattractive, thereby hurting his or her chances of finding mates.
A favorable mutation, on the other hand, helps a member and helps that member's descendents.

A better analogy could be found in the arts and the media.
We forget everything which is unpopular and remember only that which is popular.
What songs did Petulah Clark sing besides "Downtown"?
Nobody knows and nobody cares.
What did Kyu Sakamoto sing besides "Sukiyaki"?
Nobody knows and nobody cares.
What operas did Englebert Humperdinck compose besides "Hansel and Gretel"?
Nobody knows and nobody cares.

Back to the topic:
What harmful mutations have taken place?
Nobody knows and nobody cares.

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#74284 Feb 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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What evidence? You all keep saying there's evidence yet none has been presented. Until you do, claiming there's evidence is a lie.
Likewise.
Tell me how the universe came into form?
Tell me why despite our level of intelligence in the Arts, Social Sciences and Sciences we still end up dying?
Why?

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#74285 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>I like how you begin with an ad hominem, and set the stage with hostility.

Viruses do not evolve. They just taught that class to my son in high school. Viruses are a whole study onto themselves that don't fit at all into the evolutionary model, as they cannot even agree whether a virus is alive or not.

In fact, biology is so complex now than it use to be, the very definition of life is up for grabs.

You have no clue what you are talking about, and that is from my 15-year old that just had a class on this very subject.

I'd laugh, if this level of gross unscientific misinformation was not such a total and complete danger to society in general.

And since evolution has NEVER been proven, there is no need. Eventually it will fall into the trash heap along with Eugenics and other defunct theories.
Nice post!

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#74286 Feb 6, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
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According to your syllogism, the other major religions of the world must be true too, then.
Are they?
Archaeologically speaking, little or NO!

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#74287 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>my sentiments exactly...just faith and God...everything else is just the devil in details...lol
Yup.

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#74288 Feb 6, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Please explain Markov's matrix for DNA evolution then. lol
That would be like reading genesis. i mean it tells you the past.
But fundies want to see worms turning into pink elephants.
And not visit a casiono with us to explain how evolution might have worked.
The higher the improbability the more they are convinced that evolution exists.
Or so they tell themselves.(As i stated before somewhere...i've given up trying to make sense of their fallacies and logic)

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#74289 Feb 6, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Nice post!
It is bad form to applaud for idiotic posts.

Do you realize how many points he was totally wrong on?

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#74290 Feb 6, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Archaeologically speaking, little or NO!
Really? What do you know about the archaeological support for Hinduism, Taoism, or Shintoism to name only three of the thousands of religions in the world?

And worse, you do know that archaeologists claim that the Exodus never happened. In other words Archaeologists all the second book of the Bible bullshit.

“what we think we become”

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#74291 Feb 6, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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That would be like reading genesis. i mean it tells you the past.
But fundies want to see worms turning into pink elephants.
And not visit a casiono with us to explain how evolution might have worked.
The higher the improbability the more they are convinced that evolution exists.
Or so they tell themselves.(As i stated before somewhere...i've given up trying to make sense of their fallacies and logic)
now you're just not making sense

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#74292 Feb 6, 2013
trekx wrote:
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I,m a forty year old man with a Bachelor's degree in science but your high school kid knows more... Wow OK, damn i guess i wasted a lot of money then .... Hey like they say, you cant fix stupid.. Good luck to you ..
Well, I lot of new science can happen in 25 years.

Indeed, you can't fix stupid. You should have known that people would learn about about science than you, and you should have known that your bachelors degree is not outdated.

You are a relic of the Cold War, old friend.

It's really quite amazing, actually, that you wouldn't expect 15 year olds to learn more than you in high school. There is a lot more information now, and there are computers.

Good grief. Are you serious, dude?

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#74293 Feb 6, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Archaeologically speaking, little or NO!
Showing of your ignorance and arrogance.

Christianity does not even have proof of the socalled jesus ever existing. Not a shred.

Everything they have is of a later date. As proof for the church existing and their story being told.

The Torah and Tanakh are not of your religion.
You claim but you have no entitlement, and your book outright denies their laws which was G-d's law.
But the archeology is of the people and for the people, and they are not your people. And that story is more interesting, for that points to how people actually lived. You can never proof Harry Potter to have actually existed. So nor can one with parabels.

Furthermore you are unaware of the archeological evidence for 10,000 plus other gods and goddesses and nature spirits and believesystems.

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#74294 Feb 6, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>It is bad form to applaud for idiotic posts.

Do you realize how many points he was totally wrong on?
Are you aware on how much he was correct on?

Again I will say it was a nice post.

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#74295 Feb 6, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>Really? What do you know about the archaeological support for Hinduism, Taoism, or Shintoism to name only three of the thousands of religions in the world?

And worse, you do know that archaeologists claim that the Exodus never happened. In other words Archaeologists all the second book of the Bible bullshit.
"archaeologists claim that the Exodus never happened"

I have 4 archaeologists in my family and none of them make that claim?

Lack of proof is no proof. You should know this.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#74296 Feb 6, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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now you're just not making sense
What!
You actually want an explanation of markov's matrix and i presume the hidden one too, for DNA evolution.
Who's making sense.9-9
You ask people to google, if they want to learn how an estimate of possible realistic connections is calculated.
So if you google Hidden markov matrix you will find that the matrices become like a kind of 'roulettewheel'(the representation)
But that gives a better idea of lineage. As to what combination and option was responsible.
Just google.

But fundies want shattering proof. Poof out of thin air evolution. Women gave birth to monkey etc. Only then they believe.
Mention the word chance and they think of gambling and the devil.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#74297 Feb 6, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Yankee, your language demonstrates that you know very little of science and are in no position to judge evolution.
Let me help you. "Proof" is a mathematical term. You do not prove things in science. Hypotheses are developed into theories by testing, if theories fail the tests they are no longer theories. Evolution has been continually tested for over 150 years and it has passed every test. It is a well accepted scientific theory and a well accepted scientific theory is higher than a law in scientific hierarchy. That is because a law is just an observation of an event that always happens where a theory is the observation with an explanation. An observation that life evolves without an explanation would be a Law of Evolution. The Theory of Evolution tops that.
Next you are flat out wrong about viruses not evolving. Just because they are not the same sort of life as cellular life does not mean they cannot evolve. In fact by the most strict definition of evolution they do evolve.
Don't get your facts from lying creationist sites. It only makes you look like a fool.
Quite the contrary.

If I use proof incorrectly, it is out of habit to the majority who also use it incorrectly. You are correct on that count, but that by no means supports your assertion.

And no, evolution is not tested, and has never passed any test in the approximately 150 years its been around. Biology has only diminished its value as we have learned more, and the fossil records do not support it at all.

"In fact by the most strict definition of evolution they do evolve."

Strict definition? Did you think I would miss that? Yes, by the strict definition of evolution:

1. any process of formation or growth; development: the evolution of a language; the evolution of the airplane.
2. a product of such development; something evolved: The exploration of space is the evolution of decades of research.
3. Biology . change in the gene pool of a population from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift.
4. a process of gradual, peaceful, progressive change or development, as in social or economic structure or institutions.
5. a motion incomplete in itself, but combining with coordinated motions to produce a single action, as in a machine.

Which is NOT the theory of evolution, or the model.

Are you deliberately being dishonest by now truing to use non-scientific meaning of evolution? Or did it just happen to slip your mind?

And I don't need any help whatsoever from Creationists to detect a fraud. I rather miss evolution as the dominate world view, for entirely other reasons. But I can lie to myself no longer.

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#74298 Feb 6, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
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I agree.
On the surface, it seems logical.
If you add a smaller positive integer and a larger negative integer, you get a negative integer.
But it doesn't work that way.
If you run for office and your opponent gets more votes than you do, you lose the election.
But it doesn't work that way.
Rather, this is how it works:
favorable mutations are inherited, unfavorable mutations are not.
An unfavorable mutation could hurt a member's chances of surviving until child-bearing age.
An unfavorable mutation could also render a member unattractive, thereby hurting his or her chances of finding mates.
A favorable mutation, on the other hand, helps a member and helps that member's descendents.
A better analogy could be found in the arts and the media.
We forget everything which is unpopular and remember only that which is popular.
What songs did Petulah Clark sing besides "Downtown"?
Nobody knows and nobody cares.
What did Kyu Sakamoto sing besides "Sukiyaki"?
Nobody knows and nobody cares.
What operas did Englebert Humperdinck compose besides "Hansel and Gretel"?
Nobody knows and nobody cares.
Back to the topic:
What harmful mutations have taken place?
Nobody knows and nobody cares.
Don't feed the troll.

Not even with Memes...my goodness.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#74299 Feb 6, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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What school does your son go too.
And then he teaches you what the thinks he remembers and then you think you can teach a.o. professors what it is all about.
Now understand why yo can't define anything, and why you get it all wrong.
i stopped reading. Virusses do mutate. And here we go what is mutation after but ....evolution.And surviving and be enhanced in a hostile environment.
You are unfit to be a parent...it seems the interpretation to what he learned came straight out of the creationist agenda.
When a virus evolves it becomes a blue parrot with an umbrella.
If not...it is not evolution.
Don't let those pseudo-scientists tell you otherwise!
Amen.
A public school, that is currently teaching what a virus is, and the debate on whether it is a living organism or not.

Oh, were you expecting it to be a private religious school? Sorry, I don't make that kind of money. But you attitude is noted, and disqualifies you from any rational discussions forthwith, since the subject was on viruses and someone else's absurd claim that they "evolve" which not even my son's very atheist, and very anti-religious biology teacher teaches. Fortunately, his brillance makes up for it in good, solid reasoning in just about everything but his assumption that evolution is valid. I let my son draw his own conclusions, FREE from propaganda and political bias from people like you that ruin science.

Don't post to me again. You are not fit to engage in any sort of discussion at all by your tone.

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