Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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DAmnitalltohell...I need a f!@#king playbill for this forum...LOL...all apologies to Langoliers, you're just a moron...keep posting, though, you'll elevate your status to idiot soon enough...
xxxoooxxx YOU ARE AN IDOIT!
really a subjective argument... don't ya think?lol

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DAmnitalltohell...I need a f!@#king playbill for this forum...LOL...all apologies to Langoliers, you're just a moron...keep posting, though, you'll elevate your status to idiot soon enough...
xxxoooxxx YOU ARE AN IDOIT!
Gator....Decaf coffee tastes just like regular coffee. ;-)

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"experiment was shut down out of fear of and pressure from religious groups"
Sounds like a very simple process to facilitate...and to claim that making a very simple single cell organism in a science lab in some university or laboratory somewhere would all be shut down and abandoned and never tried again because of religious groups twenty years ago is quite unbelievable...
link please.
and again...I simply asked for a link to prove that religious groups shut down the experiment, to the point of never being tried again. Not the process of the experiment itself. So what is implied here,is that your(science)is basically blaming religious groups for your(science)own failure.lol
Making life from scratch IS the holy grail of science...and like I said, to imply that "well, we could make life from inorganic material, but they won't let us" is such an absurd excuse that... well you get my point.lol
The truth of the matter is that Science with all it's technology, still can't create the very simplest of simplest life forms.And don't think they haven't tried...because their still working on it.
Ah yes, the "I want it now, in my lifetime" retort...you do know how many statements like YOUR'S have come back to haunt to legacy of those whom expounded such limited foresight, don't you...let's see: Flat Earth, Geocentrism, cause for disease, cures for disease, and I suggest you read my link to Craig Venter's lab work on the CELL they created...you see, my ignorant nemesis, when your knowledge is from 2000 years ago, you get no respect...why not try to disprove Venter's Lab as a frasud, a phony a parlor trick? G'head, we'll all be waiting...you see anonymity(and religion) gives morons EXACTLY what they want...NO resposibility to dissemnate misinformation...just look at the Creationist websites that edit the posts, then actually say "See even the sciencey guys don't come here to argue..." I mean this dihonesty, the disingenious nature of it all is simply staggering...but all-to-typical of religious zealots: liars, cheaters, thieves and living off the dole of the citizens...and you defend it proudly...so I shall crush your kind...FOR HUMANITY'S SAKE..know this Darwin was a relgious man, actually studied for the seminary, the WHOLE NINE YARDS( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_... )and the person whom proposed the Big Bang was a CATHOLIC PRIEST...funny how those with credibilty in BOTH religion and science refute your ignorance...but alas, why should the facts stand in your way, right...just mooooooooooooove the goal posts...I hope Yahweh knows some good massage techniques...

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Ah yes, the "I want it now, in my lifetime" retort...you do know how many statements like YOUR'S have come back to haunt to legacy of those whom expounded such limited foresight, don't you...let's see: Flat Earth, Geocentrism, cause for disease, cures for disease, and I suggest you read my link to Craig Venter's lab work on the CELL they created...you see, my ignorant nemesis, when your knowledge is from 2000 years ago, you get no respect...why not try to disprove Venter's Lab as a frasud, a phony a parlor trick? G'head, we'll all be waiting...you see anonymity(and religion) gives morons EXACTLY what they want...NO resposibility to dissemnate misinformation...just look at the Creationist websites that edit the posts, then actually say "See even the sciencey guys don't come here to argue..." I mean this dihonesty, the disingenious nature of it all is simply staggering...but all-to-typical of religious zealots: liars, cheaters, thieves and living off the dole of the citizens...and you defend it proudly...so I shall crush your kind...FOR HUMANITY'S SAKE..know this Darwin was a relgious man, actually studied for the seminary, the WHOLE NINE YARDS( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_... )and the person whom proposed the Big Bang was a CATHOLIC PRIEST...funny how those with credibilty in BOTH religion and science refute your ignorance...but alas, why should the facts stand in your way, right...just mooooooooooooove the goal posts...I hope Yahweh knows some good massage techniques...
religious religious zealots: liars, cheaters, thieves and living off the dole of the citizens...and you

And the same go for science zealots: liars, cheaters, thieves and living off the dole of the citizens...

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Gator....Decaf coffee tastes just like regular coffee. ;-)
I wouldn't know...LOL...I did drink Cuban coffe on a rare occassion in my hometown of Miami,FL...boy was that a mistake...said my boss at the microbiological lab: you should NEVER EVER drink coffee again...please!

we got a lot done that day...ROFLMAOLOLOL.

And don't let the DRAFT-only 'quality' of my posts betray anything more than my turning 90 degrees from my WORK comouter, to pop in and answer some questions...

I used to be embarrassed at my typos, but then I found out that EVERYONE speaks typonese, don't they?!? Hee! And food crumbs on the keyboard doesn't help much...

I rely on folks like yourself to be the calm voice...I like scaring folks biblical-styley{;~)} Learned that from a preacher...

Anybody heard about the CLergy Project
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Basically, all Science is doing is imitating and manipulating the intelligent processes of the Universe that already exist.
...for if you admitted anything different you'd be a lost little sheep...of course, you're already a pantheist at this point...just lose the magic deities and voila! you're a realist...Ya know Santa CLaus was at the Council of Nicea in 325, but he didn't visit your children one Decemeber night this year...do you still beleive that embellished legend...you're so obviously someone, with a little formal education sans the guilt and condemnation of the ignorant relgious crowd, that will one day be embarassed at your refusal to accept reality...to say that science immitates nature is actually a fairly decent description...we do try to replicate MANY of nature's creations...we simply refuse to attribute that natural world to a SUPERNATURAL, ANTHROPOCENTRIC, non-existent deity of one of the desert-dwelling, mid-East tribes of antiquity...nor Meso-American deities, nor Norse deities, nor Greek deities, nor Roman deities, nor Druid deites, nor Hindu deities, etc, etc...when you actually UNDERSTABND the science- even at a basic, but competent level, you'll be proud of YOURSELF for the feat, and would NEVER like the credit to be given to non-existent entities...sort of like working out in a gym for months to create a great hypertrophic body...all that sweat, all that time, all that effort wa YOUR'S, not some deity of antiquity...when I scold ingoramuses for being dumb, I hope they go back to school and REALLY study, becuase telling me, someone whom has some 10,000+ hours in formal education belittles MY work...sort of like the trolls who claimed the only reason I was big, bad and smart was becuase I worked out, studied and trained in martial arts...I am smart because I WORK AT IT...diligently, daily, ceaselessly...I fail to grab a book of allegory, some decent universal philosophy and drunken campfire stories for what it is: myths, poems and a bit of morality for said culture...I understand when sopmeone tells you that your investment in time, money, emotions, etc etc for religion is/was a big WASTE, but alas, it can be FAR BETTER SPENT...most of the vitriolic atheists are lashing out at religion becuase of that wasted effort...but, again, it's never too late to get wise...NEVER...but, unless you relegate your deity(ies) to the mythology section- much as you've likely done to the 1000s of deities throughout history- then you are the one to blame, not me, not science, not Darwin...nobody but yourself...good luck...knowledge doesn't come easily...nothing worthwhile EVER DOES...GOOD LUCK TO YOU.

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religious religious zealots: liars, cheaters, thieves and living off the dole of the citizens...and you
And the same go for science zealots: liars, cheaters, thieves and living off the dole of the citizens...
Really...an "I 'm rubber, you're glue" rebuttal...I'll let your lack of originality speak for itself...after all, regurgitation of BS seems to be your greatest contribution...this is par for the course...you don't care what people think about your intellect, you're just happy to show your ignorance...remember this at least:
Stars use FUSION, Nuclear reactors use FUSION to generate energy...perhaps one day SCIENCE will viably generate energy from FUSION...but know that it will be SCIENTISTS/ENGINEERS who do it, not Yahweh, who apparently can't even keep satan at bay...

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Hilarious...um, we've INVENTED math in ALL of its branches, for certain purposes...your naive- dare I say pseudo-intellectual- use of the word math betrays your ignorance...their are MANY fields of mathematics used for different purposes...likely you only know algebra, which is not to say you are COMPETENT in the field...perhaps some Euclidian geomtery, maybe some trignometrics...I highly doubt your calculus(Integral or differential) is lacking and certainly things like topography, Mandelbrot sequences/patterns and higher math concepts have evaded your genius...perhaps like Newton and Liebniz, you developed a new branch of math simultaneously with the other great math minds of humanity, but considering you failed- by your own admission- to even do basic long multiplication, the PROBABILITY is highly unlike...say 1EX10^15!(that's a factorial sign)...good luck to you...pseudo-intellectualism is a disease, I suggest you go to school to be cured, and quit toiling away in your own (non-existent)world...or publish a paper...may I put you on the list of morons who do their "own thing" because they don't trust sciencey stuff?!?!
LOL. I don't trust Science stuff? For the record, I do have college education in two fields, one in Science and one in Math. And to keep my certification, I have to take continuing education and pass the modules for credit every two years. I'm also an artist. I could sketch it to you freehand or on a computer software or animation so you can understand my perspective other than in plain English, if you'd like. I'm also a writer on the side. Sorry if you think my intellectualism is pseudo-science to you. If it's a disease, then maybe I have the cure for it.

I read books, FYI. I love to write about many subjects including poetry. But publish a paper? I will only do that with a co-writer, perhaps someone with a psychology or neuroscience background. But not someone who is like YOU I hope. You have a short FUSE and also con-FUSED. And your FUSION with me would be deadly! It would kill a star literally. lol.

I use my aggressive side not to intimidate or insult other people like what you or other punks do. I use it when watching sports like basketball, football, baseball, boxing, or UFC, because there is math involved in sports as well. That's right, maybe I'm a looney. I play too much. I don't care what you think though. I don't need a shrink. I'm my own shrink. ha!

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Basically, all Science is doing is imitating and manipulating the intelligent processes of the Universe that already exist.
Actually it's simply manipulating phenomena found in this universe. However whether an intelligence is ultimately behind the universe has so far not been objectively demonstrated.

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<quoted text>...for if you admitted anything different you'd be a lost little sheep...of course, you're already a pantheist at this point...just lose the magic deities and voila! you're a realist...Ya know Santa CLaus was at the Council of Nicea in 325, but he didn't visit your children one Decemeber night this year...do you still beleive that embellished legend...you're so obviously someone, with a little formal education sans the guilt and condemnation of the ignorant relgious crowd, that will one day be embarassed at your refusal to accept reality...to say that science immitates nature is actually a fairly decent description...we do try to replicate MANY of nature's creations...we simply refuse to attribute that natural world to a SUPERNATURAL, ANTHROPOCENTRIC, non-existent deity of one of the desert-dwelling, mid-East tribes of antiquity...nor Meso-American deities, nor Norse deities, nor Greek deities, nor Roman deities, nor Druid deites, nor Hindu deities, etc, etc...when you actually UNDERSTABND the science- even at a basic, but competent level, you'll be proud of YOURSELF for the feat, and would NEVER like the credit to be given to non-existent entities...sort of like working out in a gym for months to create a great hypertrophic body...all that sweat, all that time, all that effort wa YOUR'S, not some deity of antiquity...when I scold ingoramuses for being dumb, I hope they go back to school and REALLY study, becuase telling me, someone whom has some 10,000+ hours in formal education belittles MY work...sort of like the trolls who claimed the only reason I was big, bad and smart was becuase I worked out, studied and trained in martial arts...I am smart because I WORK AT IT...diligently, daily, ceaselessly...I fail to grab a book of allegory, some decent universal philosophy and drunken campfire stories for what it is: myths, poems and a bit of morality for said culture...I understand when sopmeone tells you that your investment in time, money, emotions, etc etc for religion is/was a big WASTE, but alas, it can be FAR BETTER SPENT...most of the vitriolic atheists are lashing out at religion becuase of that wasted effort...but, again, it's never too late to get wise...NEVER...but, unless you relegate your deity(ies) to the mythology section- much as you've likely done to the 1000s of deities throughout history- then you are the one to blame, not me, not science, not Darwin...nobody but yourself...good luck...knowledge doesn't come easily...nothing worthwhile EVER DOES...GOOD LUCK TO YOU.
like I said before, the only argument I have is obvious intelligent processes that exist in reality. Scientists incorporates these obvious advanced processes because they are recognized as processes that are of superior design.Com puter design in most part is based on the workings of the brain....storage of information etc.
But to copy these advance design for the advancement of technology and claim that they are non-intelligent is absurd.lol

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Basically, all Science is doing is imitating and manipulating the intelligent processes of the Universe that already exist.
Not quite but you are welcome to your delusions

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Actually it's simply manipulating phenomena found in this universe. However whether an intelligence is ultimately behind the universe has so far not been objectively demonstrated.
Actually it's simply manipulating of 'intelligent' phenomena found in this universe.

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Not quite but you are welcome to your delusions
Kinda like the kid in school who copies off a smarter student in class and claims he didn't copy.lol

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LOL. I don't trust Science stuff? For the record, I do have college education in two fields, one in Science and one in Math. And to keep my certification, I have to take continuing education and pass the modules for credit every two years. I'm also an artist. I could sketch it to you freehand or on a computer software or animation so you can understand my perspective other than in plain English, if you'd like. I'm also a writer on the side. Sorry if you think my intellectualism is pseudo-science to you. If it's a disease, then maybe I have the cure for it.
I read books, FYI. I love to write about many subjects including poetry. But publish a paper? I will only do that with a co-writer, perhaps someone with a psychology or neuroscience background. But not someone who is like YOU I hope. You have a short FUSE and also con-FUSED. And your FUSION with me would be deadly! It would kill a star literally. lol.
I use my aggressive side not to intimidate or insult other people like what you or other punks do. I use it when watching sports like basketball, football, baseball, boxing, or UFC, because there is math involved in sports as well. That's right, maybe I'm a looney. I play too much. I don't care what you think though. I don't need a shrink. I'm my own shrink. ha!
WOW, I'm not sure if you should burn your diplomas or the institution that conferred them upon you...You're aggressive WATCHING sports??!?WTF...I PLAYED ALL of those sports at fairly high level(Miami-Dade County 6A sports)...I'm a scholar, a gentleman and an athlete...your projections are hilarious...I currently hold six professional licenses in several states...SO WHAT? Resumes never impressed me much, just like WATCHING a sport doesn't impress me as it relates to your athletic prowess...those who can DO, those who can't TEACH...those who can't do either TALK about it...math is a tool, not a career...I use it EVERY single minute...as do I my legal education, my business education and my good ol' street-wise common sense I got from growing up in Miami, FL...SO WHAT? Should I judge d you inability to calculate simple bits-to-bytes conversion asw I sign that you were a mediocre student? No...I take the totality of your idiodic "my own math" comments for what they are: JUST PLAIN STUPID...just another goof ball who thinks THEY have the answers...you have actually advocated aliens curently watching us, did you not? And you'll pardon me for questoning ANYONE who says they have a 'degree in science'...just doesn't ring true...but, alas, I'm not familiar with education monikers outside of the US..nor do I care...you ought to be embarrassed as a DEGREED SCIENTIST to be rambling on about space aliens are watching us, nonsense...ever think for a minute that WE are the advanced civilization in the universe and that your ALIENS might be the equivalent of Neanderthals, or chimps? Nooooooooo, why would aliens be dumber than us humans, right, they simply MUST be more advanced? Or maybe these ALIENS are ONLY at the PROTOZOIC-equivalent stage of evolution...or maybe they're not even the bacterium, yet...maybe they haven't even the ingredients for life on their planet...maybe you've watched as little too much Star Trek...could it be that your aliens are actually LESS advanced? Duuuuh? Your myopic visions aside, you simply lack any cogent material to even criticize beyond moronic... to be polite.

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We can go through the motions and learn nothing. What we have is universal capitalism that compels governments to accumulate wealth into the hands of the few, making conflicts inevitable to drive the military-industrial complex. The Bible just gets re-interpreted for pre-war, war and post-war conditions.
All these "ages" that people keep inventing are nothing significant. Until we exhaust the global supply of fossil fuels, this is just an extension of the industrial age. When people have to limit their populations and accept the finite renewability of resources, then you'll see the beginnings of a "new age".
I'm not against the elites or those in power who support globalism or nationalism (except for those who own Big Oil). I do have trust in them to an extent but even that I find ironic. It's conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones (Infowars) and the media particularly Fox news that are contaminating the minds of people. It's people like Jon Stewart of Bill Maher that keeps the sanity of the people. lol. But that's my personal opinion.

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like I said before, the only argument I have is obvious intelligent processes that exist in reality. Scientists incorporates these obvious advanced processes because they are recognized as processes that are of superior design.Com puter design in most part is based on the workings of the brain....storage of information etc.
But to copy these advance design for the advancement of technology and claim that they are non-intelligent is absurd.lol
Noooo...claiming they are intelligently designed and failing to show any proof of that intelligent designer is absurd, disingenuous and DOGMA wrapped in pretty sciencey language called the INtelligent Design Movement, whom- in case you dodn't kinow- have ADMITTED their designer is the god of the bible...not the Vedas, not the Greek gods, nor Romans nor Meso-american...but Yahweh...your deflection and obfuscation doesn't change that...you're a Xian and you didn't even know it...morevover,you were fooled by the ID movement that wants to conflate science and religion...and you bit it all hook, line and sinker...that makes you a sucker.

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Kinda like the kid in school who copies off a smarter student in class and claims he didn't copy.lol
in fact, some designers steal designs from other designers and claim that it was an original design. nothing new under the sun.

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Kinda like the kid in school who copies off a smarter student in class and claims he didn't copy.lol
in fact not kinda like that, but exactly like that.

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Noooo...claiming they are intelligently designed and failing to show any proof of that intelligent designer is absurd, disingenuous and DOGMA wrapped in pretty sciencey language called the INtelligent Design Movement, whom- in case you dodn't kinow- have ADMITTED their designer is the god of the bible...not the Vedas, not the Greek gods, nor Romans nor Meso-american...but Yahweh...your deflection and obfuscation doesn't change that...you're a Xian and you didn't even know it...morevover,you were fooled by the ID movement that wants to conflate science and religion...and you bit it all hook, line and sinker...that makes you a sucker.
I was talking an intelligent process....if you won't even acknowledge
an obvious intelligent process...what make you think that you would acknowledge an intelligent designer?lol

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